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Politics Chaotic scenes as HK protests turns violent
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For the better probably. Have to agree with Mordoror that Chinese police are using restrain, what happens behind the scene we don’t really know and it’s not reported anyway.
It certainly is not discouraging HK people to protest at the risk like in France during Yellow vests protest to be injured/harmed or at worst and hopefully not killed.
It’s pretty complicated to maintain law and order, French police used to be « exemplary » but it’s no longer the case regarding riots and protests. Several lawsuits are ongoing because of many wounded YV, because of other incidents involving the police that got people killed or severely beaten for no apparent reason.
I’m wandering a bit - what’s the possible outcome of the situation in HK? Evidently protesters are still determined and thousands on the streets. Like the French YV movement that faded a bit, we are creating worldwide a new generation of politicized protesters, masked that go around mostly fearless. I’m all for protesting tyranny or a muppet of a govt like that of Macron, yet I don’t endorse serious violence from either side hence police or protesters.
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As posted in another forum. Possibly the largest forum on line, skyscrapercity;
by hkskyline ""Here is news footage (10+ hours of it!) from the last huge protest on Aug 18. Despite the driving rain, 1.7 million came out to protest the government's inaction and silence in addressing the 5 demands. While the police only approved a rally at Victoria Park, the sheer numbers spilled onto neighbouring streets and ultimately marched its way across town.
This protest included people of all ages and all walks of life. So to anyone who thinks this protest movement is confined to a few ignorant young people trying to smash their way to get their message across, here is 1.7 million's determination to hold the government accountable.
At 2:49:45, you will see protesters giving way to an ambulance to pass even though the entire width and length of the street was entirely covered with people. Obviously, PRC media won't let people stuck within the firewall see these types of scenes. In fact, they won't be able to watch this video as Youtube is blocked in China.""
by hkskyline ""Here is news footage (10+ hours of it!) from the last huge protest on Aug 18. Despite the driving rain, 1.7 million came out to protest the government's inaction and silence in addressing the 5 demands. While the police only approved a rally at Victoria Park, the sheer numbers spilled onto neighbouring streets and ultimately marched its way across town.
This protest included people of all ages and all walks of life. So to anyone who thinks this protest movement is confined to a few ignorant young people trying to smash their way to get their message across, here is 1.7 million's determination to hold the government accountable.
At 2:49:45, you will see protesters giving way to an ambulance to pass even though the entire width and length of the street was entirely covered with people. Obviously, PRC media won't let people stuck within the firewall see these types of scenes. In fact, they won't be able to watch this video as Youtube is blocked in China.""
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Mean while in Brisbane Australia .. a Pro Hong kong protest is counter protested by Socialists / Commies
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The left, being all nostalgic about Tiananmen?
In other news, and good news that is:
Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam says extradition bill will be fully withdrawn
A full withdrawal of the contentious bill is one of five demands that protesters have been fighting for.
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Peaceful protest in Hong Kong..
Students and alumni from secondary schools in Hong Kong continued to stage protests on Thursday and Friday, forming human chains and sending a message to the government that it should meet the other demands of the public and not just stop at withdrawing the extradition bill.
In Kowloon Tong, about 200 students and alumni formed human chains at 7 am Friday outside secondary schools in the area.
Wearing dark clothes and face masks, the protest involved current and former pupils from La Salle College, Maryknoll Convent School, Bishop Hall Jubilee School, Jockey Club Government Secondary School, and Tung Wah Group of Hospitals Wong Fut Nam College.
Elsewhere, a human chain comprising students and alumni from Diocesan Boys’ School in Mong Kok was observed the same morning. Some 400 people once gathered outside the school.
On Hong Kong Island, students from St. Paul’s Convent School in Causeway Bay and St. Louis School in West Point formed human chains outside their school campuses in the morning.
A similar protest activity was also seen near Tai Po Market MTR Station in Tai Po. About 100 students and alumni from secondary schools in the district participated in the event.
At 1 pm on Friday, nearly 500 students, faculty and staff from the Chinese University of Hong Kong formed a human chain at the University Mall in the campus.
The protest activities, an extension of the city-wide class boycotts that began on Monday, came after Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor announced on Wednesday that she was pulling the controversial fugitives bill but was not accepting the other four demands of the people, which include an independent inquiry into police conduct.
More : http://www.ejinsight.com/20190906-st...all-5-demands/
Students and alumni from secondary schools in Hong Kong continued to stage protests on Thursday and Friday, forming human chains and sending a message to the government that it should meet the other demands of the public and not just stop at withdrawing the extradition bill.
In Kowloon Tong, about 200 students and alumni formed human chains at 7 am Friday outside secondary schools in the area.
Wearing dark clothes and face masks, the protest involved current and former pupils from La Salle College, Maryknoll Convent School, Bishop Hall Jubilee School, Jockey Club Government Secondary School, and Tung Wah Group of Hospitals Wong Fut Nam College.
Elsewhere, a human chain comprising students and alumni from Diocesan Boys’ School in Mong Kok was observed the same morning. Some 400 people once gathered outside the school.
On Hong Kong Island, students from St. Paul’s Convent School in Causeway Bay and St. Louis School in West Point formed human chains outside their school campuses in the morning.
A similar protest activity was also seen near Tai Po Market MTR Station in Tai Po. About 100 students and alumni from secondary schools in the district participated in the event.
At 1 pm on Friday, nearly 500 students, faculty and staff from the Chinese University of Hong Kong formed a human chain at the University Mall in the campus.
The protest activities, an extension of the city-wide class boycotts that began on Monday, came after Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor announced on Wednesday that she was pulling the controversial fugitives bill but was not accepting the other four demands of the people, which include an independent inquiry into police conduct.
More : http://www.ejinsight.com/20190906-st...all-5-demands/
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This is quite interesting:
apnews.com
Hong Kong protestors flying the Stars & Stripes of the USA ??
Flattering, but seems potentially quite counterproductive.
Infiltrators/provocateurs possibly waving the flag?
Or protestors too naive/aggressive in trying to maintain momentum?
Solidarity/US were careful not to be seen as a puppet/proxy to mitigate for SB/KGB attempts to portray them as such.
US flags waving in Hong Kong will not play well in Mainland China ??
Marchers ask Trump to 'liberate' Hong Kong, as clashes erupt
HONG KONG (AP) — Thousands of demonstrators in Hong Kong urged President Donald Trump to "liberate" the semiautonomous Chinese territory during a peaceful march to the U.S.
apnews.com
Hong Kong protestors flying the Stars & Stripes of the USA ??
Flattering, but seems potentially quite counterproductive.
Infiltrators/provocateurs possibly waving the flag?
Or protestors too naive/aggressive in trying to maintain momentum?
Solidarity/US were careful not to be seen as a puppet/proxy to mitigate for SB/KGB attempts to portray them as such.
US flags waving in Hong Kong will not play well in Mainland China ??
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It's what happens when the young gets a small win, thinking they can change the policies of a much bigger government. They are trying China's patience, it will not end well for them and it is only them to blame.This is quite interesting:
Marchers ask Trump to 'liberate' Hong Kong, as clashes erupt
HONG KONG (AP) — Thousands of demonstrators in Hong Kong urged President Donald Trump to "liberate" the semiautonomous Chinese territory during a peaceful march to the U.S.
Hong Kong protestors flying the Stars & Stripes of the USA ??
Flattering, but seems potentially quite counterproductive.
Infiltrators/provocateurs possibly waving the flag?
Or protestors too naive/aggressive in trying to maintain momentum?
Solidarity/US were careful not to be seen as a puppet/proxy to mitigate for SB/KGB attempts to portray them as such.
US flags waving in Hong Kong will not play well in Mainland China ??
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I have to agree with JJ here, the protestors are pushing the boundaries too far
Foreign meddling is a big No No for PRC
Moreover if it is US
And it is just ramping up the "colored revolution" mantra plastered by PRC communication/propaganda organs
It's a dangerous game played here and not in protestors interest, on the contrary
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Peaceful student protestors.
HONG KONG, Sept 9 (Reuters) - Hundreds of uniformed school students, many wearing masks, formed human chains in districts across Hong Kong on Monday in support of anti-government protesters after another weekend of clashes in the Chinese-ruled city.
Metro stations reopened after some were closed on Sunday amid sometimes violent confrontations, although the mood in the Asian financial hub remained tense.
Early on Monday, before school started, rows of students and alumni joined hands chanting "Hong Kong people, add oil", a phrase that has become a rallying cry for the protest movement.
"The school-based human chain is the strongest showcase of how this protest is deep rooted in society, so deep rooted that it enters through the school students," said Alan Leong, an alumnus of Wah Yan College in the city's Kowloon district.
Three months of protests over a now withdrawn extradition bill have evolved into a broader backlash against the government and greater calls for democracy.
Police said they had arrested 157 people over the previous three days, including 125 males and 32 females aged 14 to 63, bringing the total number of arrests to more than 1,300.
More : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN1VU03P
HONG KONG, Sept 9 (Reuters) - Hundreds of uniformed school students, many wearing masks, formed human chains in districts across Hong Kong on Monday in support of anti-government protesters after another weekend of clashes in the Chinese-ruled city.
Metro stations reopened after some were closed on Sunday amid sometimes violent confrontations, although the mood in the Asian financial hub remained tense.
Early on Monday, before school started, rows of students and alumni joined hands chanting "Hong Kong people, add oil", a phrase that has become a rallying cry for the protest movement.
"The school-based human chain is the strongest showcase of how this protest is deep rooted in society, so deep rooted that it enters through the school students," said Alan Leong, an alumnus of Wah Yan College in the city's Kowloon district.
Three months of protests over a now withdrawn extradition bill have evolved into a broader backlash against the government and greater calls for democracy.
Police said they had arrested 157 people over the previous three days, including 125 males and 32 females aged 14 to 63, bringing the total number of arrests to more than 1,300.
More : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN1VU03P
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You were talking about the US right ?
You should get down of your high horse and spare us the usual PR mantras. There is no good guy and bad guy, there is States protecting what they feel to be their interests.
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Finally, somebody said it.. There is no good or evil in geopolitics, just interests. in the issue between the Chinese and Philippines, it is simply the Chinese are more willing to go further for their interests than everybody else, either complain about it or take them on.You were talking about the US right ?
You should get down of your high horse and spare us the usual PR mantras. There is no good guy and bad guy, there is States protecting what they feel to be their interests.
HKers prefer the less regulated society option.
Attitudes toward China have changed throughout the last year here. Somewhat late. How they handle Hong Kong clearly won't be a walk in for them.
Aussie and NZ have changed how they counter Chinese influence locally. Its obvious that US has done a 180 since the Trump election/life long presidency in China and even many Democrats are more hard line than Republicans. If that is not hardening in this political climate I don't know what else to say
Another version of possible events based on history.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...arns-of-four-horsemen-of-the-apocalypse-in-us
Attitudes toward China have changed throughout the last year here. Somewhat late. How they handle Hong Kong clearly won't be a walk in for them.
Aussie and NZ have changed how they counter Chinese influence locally. Its obvious that US has done a 180 since the Trump election/life long presidency in China and even many Democrats are more hard line than Republicans. If that is not hardening in this political climate I don't know what else to say
Another version of possible events based on history.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...arns-of-four-horsemen-of-the-apocalypse-in-us
China blasts German minister who met Hong Kong activist Joshua Wong
Beijing accuses German minister Heiko Maas of ‘extremely erroneous action’ after he and Wong were introduced at a newspaper’s event on Monday, when Wong said Hong Kong was comparable to East Berlin during the cold war.
www.scmp.com
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