Politics All Things Trump

[Ivan le Fou]

Guilty on all 34 charges.

 

[profyler]

Well, that was a high price hook up

 

[surfpunk]

Doesn't really mean anything till appeals are all over and done with does it.

the appeals process as I understand it, as explained in the dershowitz video, will be the same group of judges, so basically no chance of having an appeal granted.

 

[Fluff]

Well, that was a high price hook up

Cheaper than marriage, as Trump may be about to find out.....

 

[OldGuy]

The real irony in all this was the message fjb put out, "No one is above the law" the only law breaker is fjb and I do think in the end Trump will be vindicated because it was a political trial obviously. In America sometimes it takes a while to actually get justice. I can tell you these soros bought AGs have opened the pandoras box for all future liberals in office or out of office. As a rule they all like to hide in the shadows when they aren't in stirring up trouble and breaking laws. Example one is them refusing to impeach the biggest criminal of all for allowing 15 million illegals to cross the border illegally. All of those people that voted not to take a vote for full impeachment after it was already established he is guilty is real criminal activity and if the Republicans don't act on these real crimes it will be up to the people to make the changes and it won't be so friendly.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

the appeals process as I understand it, as explained in the dershowitz video, will be the same group of judges, so basically no chance of having an appeal granted.

Yeah, good luck with that...

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[Mike1976]

Yeah, good luck with that...

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I've filed a report with Google.

Google Maps couldn't find Manhattan, Kenya.

 

[Redav]

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[downsizer]

You guys don't seriously believe he didn't try and obfuscate the fact he paid SD hush money do you? I mean really?

I don't care either way FYI.

 

[Telmar]

I don´t understand all the whining

Is it because:

-he never hooked uo with that porn star?
-he hooked up but it was true love?
-he hooked up and paid her to shut up about it, but not with campaign money?
-everybody in the world is very mean?

That being said, the hysteria will probably solidfy the cult in November.

 

[primer]

And where in the world does the defence go first. Yep in a Jaun Merchan court room

Prosecutors Got Trump — But They Also Contorted the Law

The Manhattan jury was thrown into a Frankenstein’s monster of a case.

nymag.com

Interesting technical breakdown of the witch hunt in 2024. None should have any faith in the legal process or the law. Its run like the casino and the house wins.

 

[muck]

@downsizer

I just had a really fascinating conversation with a friend from university who studied US law and works as a legal consultant for foreign companies doing business over there. I asked him to break the trial down for me and give his opinion.

What I took away from that conversation is that what Trump did may have been morally reprehensible, but not illegal. They really stretched the limits of the term of election financing, particularly since the prosecution wasn't able to disprove other possible motivs (such as Trump paying hush money to save his marriage). An unbiased court should have no trouble overturning this conviction.

What I don't buy, though, is the claim made by some that this was a White House-ordered hit job. For a very simple reason: It would have been a colossal political blunder, both strategically and tactically. Biden and his advisors cannot possibly have wanted to initiate that trial. They can't possibly want to run against any other candidate than Trump. And they can't want those who disapproved of January 6 to think that the Democrats are just as prone to cheating and discrediting the fair election process as Trump is.

Plus, if anything, this conviction has galvanised support for Trump. No, this isn't a plan that a person with half a brain would hatch. It rather seems to me that this was a personal vendetta of sorts (like by those foul-mouthed FBI agents), or a career plan on the prosecution's part. I wouldn't be surprised if Vance or Bragg were to announce their running for governorship or the presidency a couple of years from now.

 

[OldGuy]

Yeah, good luck with that...

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Still slaves to the party of slavery -> Democrat

 

[OldGuy]

You guys don't seriously believe he didn't try and obfuscate the fact he paid SD hush money do you? I mean really?

I don't care either way FYII

I believe our own government had a hidden account to use taxpayer funds to payoff people that were exactly what SD was. Lately seeing so many in the democrat party are queer and openly doing it after hours in the government house no wonder they had the fund. So they were caught and nothing came of it except they can't do it any longer. My point is our entire government is a joke and fraud. I don't care who Trump screwed years ago, means absolutely nothing to me. I judge him by his accomplishments and promises kept, that's all. This squid in the oval office most definitely is behind this with his criminal DoJ. Now let's see if he has that smirk on his face when his boy gets some prison time. His whole family is pure S it.. Rest assured this silly dog and pony show to steal an election is all over on election day and this guilty charge will go into the garbage pail. There were so many illegal things taking place the trial should have never even started. Number one using that whore to re open something that was already a closed case then making it into this federal crime they magically attached 34 book keeping errors is a total joke. They have no jurisdiction to charge a federal crime. The gag order was unconstitutional, the failure to provide defense with the crime he was charged with is another and the list goes on. This is the biggest act of treason by a bunch of scumbags that george soros paid their way to do exactly what you see. He enjoys causing trouble all over the world and too bad Israel never took him out at the end of WWII. He is still a number one scumbag helping to murder his own people and stealing their belongings as a kid working for the nazis in a death camp.

 

[HorniePonie]

I know very little about the US law, but I find it interesting, how a lot of Americans are ready to vote for a man with so little situational awereness to be their president and "the leader of the free world". Taking your pants off with a p*rn star? Really? I wouldn't trust nuclear weapons to a man, who can't control his own behavior better than that.

 

[primer]

" The Republican's campaign said it raised $34.8 million from small-dollar donors in less than seven hours "...the other jury voted.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

@downsizer

I just had a really fascinating conversation with a friend from university who studied US law and works as a legal consultant for foreign companies doing business over there. I asked him to break the trial down for me and give his opinion.

What I took away from that conversation is that what Trump did may have been morally reprehensible, but not illegal. They really stretched the limits of the term of election financing, particularly since the prosecution wasn't able to disprove other possible motivs (such as Trump paying hush money to to save his marriage). An unbiased court should have no trouble overturning this conviction.

What I don't buy, though, is the claim made by some that this was a White House-ordered hit job. For a very simple reason: It would have been a colossal political blunder, both strategically and tactically. Biden and his advisors cannot possibly have wanted to initiate that trial. They can't possibly want to run against any other candidate than Trump. And they can't want those who disapproved of January 6 to think that the Democrats are just as prone to cheating and discrediting the fair election process as Trump is.

Plus, if anything, this conviction has galvanised support for Trump. No, this isn't a plan that a person with half a brain would hatch. It rather seems to me that this was a personal vendetta of sorts (like by those foul-mouthed FBI agents), or a career plan on the prosecution's part. I wouldn't be surprised if Vance or Bragg were to announce their running for governorship or the presidency a couple of years from now.

The WH hit-job claim is probably, yes, a bit disingenuous.
In the sense that the WH probably didn't give orders for the whole situation to turn out the way it did. It wasn't orchestrated by Biden.

What it could have been though is facilitated and/or tacitly approved, in the sense that eyes were closed on a very broad number of ethic issues, especially regarding integrity and conflicts of interest from the prosecution.

If Biden and his admin would have wanted that trial? Who knows. Whatever the outcome Trump would have gained from the verdict: not guilty > he is vindicated; guilty > outrage.
And that's pretty much what happened, to the point that even among Democrats, a lot are very critical of the whole thing. Not only because, for starter, there was no real case to begin with; but also because it sets a very dangerous precedent.
Regarding the precedent aspect of things, I think we are relatively safe from Republicans to use it to prosecute their political opponents, the Democrats on the other hand have shown to be rather found of it. Thus political figures will not end up being selected at the ballot box, but in front of a judge by a jury.

Going back to Biden and his administration being involved, it feels like a "damned if I do damned if I don't" with that distinction that they let it happen and didn't do anything to prevent it. Biden and his admin are terrified of Trump, he is up in the polls, to the point of out-running Biden even in a few red states, and will likely keep on going up following the trial.
The Biden admin does not have much to rely on in term of accomplishments, and wether or not Trump will deliver on his promises is speculation, but in general people seem to agree on the fact they were better off while Trump was in office. Especially when it comes to jobs and taxes. Furthermore these DAs going after Trump are pretty much doing only that and nothing else, crimes are skyrocketing in their cities and despite calls from the constituents for measures to be taken and crimes prosecuted, the DAs are simply ignoring the issues. For most of them, they ran their campaign on "we will go after Trump and take him down", "too male, too white, too stale" and other identity-politics related topics; but they mainly focused on Trump.

So Biden let it happen, because it damages his political opponent, no matter how meager the substance of the attacks, it is still better than nothing.
Most, if not all, of the "scandals" brought against Trump turned out to be either manufactured BS or overblown nothing burgers (.ie the whole "classified documents" thing). And these were, or could have been if they had been real, actual issues. Unfortunately for Biden, not only they weren't with regard to Trump, but Biden found himself in the exact same situation; and contrary to Trump what Biden did was indeed factually established (he did have in his possession classified documents he wasn't supposed to have and stored in an unsafe manner).

 

[surfpunk]

You guys don't seriously believe he didn't try and obfuscate the fact he paid SD hush money do you? I mean really?

I don't care either way FYI.

why dont you listen to alan dershowitz take on the case, if you really are that confused

 

[muck]

I know very little about the US law, but I find it interesting, how a lot of Americans are ready to vote for a man with so little situational awereness to be their president and "the leader of the free world". Taking your pants off with a p*rn star? Really? I wouldn't trust nuclear weapons to a man, who can't control his own behavior better than that.

Why? Part of the absurdity of the trial is that this is what they thought should be the nail in his coffin. Even though Trump did things far worse than banging an unsavoury broad and paying her off. Myself I couldn't care less about the sexual relationships of a candidate unless they're security-relevant. (Granted it is absurd how Americans went from Gary Hart to Donald Trump in just over thirty years.)

In Trump's case, I wouldn't even care about him paying that bint off because I'm sure their affair becoming public knowledge would not have had an effect on his chances. "Grab 'em by the pussy" didn't harm his chances, not even in the Bible Belt; so why would Stormy-something be a cause for concern? He probably just wanted to salvage his marriage, or maybe his team believed they had to protect him.

But Trump's success is due to him not giving a toss about anything. The media would accuse him of some sort of wrongdoing, and where all the other politicians would be quick to grovel and apologise, Trump would simply put up a big stupid grin and be like "of course I did that". That's why he's so untouchable and surviving scandal after scandal that would've ruined every other career.

 

[primer]

Biden touted the system works the same system that called him senile recently and therefor somehow not able to be judged. Now you tell me that is not orchestrated.