Photos WW2 Soviet Forces

[Иван Феоктистов]

Transporting a wounded Soviet soldier with a dog sled on the Karelian front.

 

[PEMM]

Finnish atrocities is real and well documented fact.But let me tell you a little about finnish version of the history, in the Finnish version of the history, they bravely stand against evil red empire.They really belive that so-called Continuasion War was correct and fair measure.Аnd while fighting there they never performed any kind of bad things and acted like some kind white knights between two evil powers(USSR and Nazi company)And yes,they fully denied the fact that they were Axis alliy all along.And any reminder оf their atrocities make them feel,lets say,uncomfortable.So they put much effort to present their version of history as the only correct one

This only shows you don't really partake in Finnish discussion of the war. It's definitely not one sided like you say. For example discussion of concentration camps was integral part of my primary education. Discussion among stronk people of different nations is another matter.

Itä-Karjalaa suomalaistettiin kouluin ja keskitysleirein (Vuodelta 2011)

Miehitysalueiden venäläisväestö koki etnistä syrjintää.

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The problem with your post, as I reported it, was your incorrect information on Ingrians (numbers and their treatment), containing picture that wasn't of Ingrians:


"Pyörittäjä village kolhoz, Pyörittäjä village 1941.07.01"

This is another one from same place

"Pictures of kolhoz in Pyörittäjä. It was left behind by others and continues operating regardless of surrounding situation, as haymaking demands. 1941.07.27"

These are the original descriptions on the pictures taken from the archive these are from.

Then you posted well known photo taken after the liberation, but didn't mention origins. But that really is a minor issue.


I think It's only fair to say this is a photo taken by swiss press to give favourable image of the camps in 1944.

Then you posted a picture of Red Army in Finnish Army thread, I think they belong to this thread instead.

I wrote a long reply like this, but decided to remove it and report your post instead. I did it because I am tired of arguing, I don't want to start long winded arguments with other users. I didn't ask your post to be removed. I have no interest starting some dick measuring contest where we post pictures of dead soldiers and civilians for arguments sake to make some "other guy bad, us good" narrative. And I have no problem with your posts when you stick to the facts (and maybe try to stick to the description on the photos) and correct section.

I also reported some posts of dead soviet soldiers from battle of suomussalmi from other posters that showed faces and distorted bodies, because I really think it's in bad taste. But it's for the mods to decide where line goes.

There is so much newly released material on the camps that would warrant it's own thread.

 

[PEMM]

Soviet prisoners of war in a minefield. North bank of the Vuoksa river, 1941
Now there is a photo of, it seems, five similar cases of Finns' treatment of captured soldiers.

Although soviet pows were used to clear mines, it's not clear that these particular pictures depict pow's clearing mines.

SA-kuvien nettiarkisto haastaa tutkijan

Huhtikuun 25. päivänä Suomen puolustusvoimat julkaisi SA-kuvien arkiston netissä. Arkisto auttaa korjaamaan toistuvia kuviin liittyviä virheitä, mutta täysin ongelmattomia siinä tehdyt valinnat eivät tutkijan näkökulmasta ole.

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[Иван Феоктистов]

Although soviet pows were used to clear mines, it's not clear that these particular pictures depict pow's clearing mines.

SA-kuvien nettiarkisto haastaa tutkijan

Huhtikuun 25. päivänä Suomen puolustusvoimat julkaisi SA-kuvien arkiston netissä. Arkisto auttaa korjaamaan toistuvia kuviin liittyviä virheitä, mutta täysin ongelmattomia siinä tehdyt valinnat eivät tutkijan näkökulmasta ole.

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[PEMM]

"Svir River. Russians sweeping mines."

 

[SamWell]

This only shows you don't really partake in Finnish discussion of the war. It's definitely not one sided like you say. For example discussion of concentration camps was integral part of my primary education. Discussion among stronk people of different nations is another matter.

Itä-Karjalaa suomalaistettiin kouluin ja keskitysleirein (Vuodelta 2011)

Miehitysalueiden venäläisväestö koki etnistä syrjintää.

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The problem with your post, as I reported it, was your incorrect information on Ingrians (numbers and their treatment), containing picture that wasn't of Ingrians:

I used russian sourses(wich I can refer to if needed)You,I beliеve,using finnish ones.They are,predictably,differ.Maybe I should have made a remark about that.But,I think,it does not make them clearly incorrect..

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"Pyörittäjä village kolhoz, Pyörittäjä village 1941.07.01"

This is another one from same place
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"Pictures of kolhoz in Pyörittäjä. It was left behind by others and continues operating regardless of surrounding situation, as haymaking demands. 1941.07.27
These are the original descriptions on the pictures taken from the archive these are from.

Thank you for correcting me.

Then you posted well known photo taken after the liberation, but didn't mention origins. But that really is a minor issue.

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I think It's only fair to say this is a photo taken by swiss press to give favourable image of the camps in 1944.
Then you posted a picture of Red Army in Finnish Army thread, I think they belong to this thread instead.

These were not just soviet soldiers, these were soviet soldiers liberating a concentration camp.

I wrote a long reply like this, but decided to remove it and report your post instead. I did it because I am tired of arguing, I don't want to start long winded arguments with other users. I didn't ask your post to be removed. I have no interest starting some dick measuring contest where we post pictures of dead soldiers and civilians for arguments sake to make some "other guy bad, us good" narrative.

I never had any intentions to make "other guy bad, us good" narrative.I just tryed to show deeply.

And I have no problem with your posts when you stick to the facts (and maybe try to stick to the description on the photos) and correct section.

I belive,my only disagreement with the facts was that I used one wrong photo.
And why Finnish military thread not a correct section?The decision to create concentration camps was approved by the finnish military council.It was ordered by Manerheim(head of the finnish army) himself.They were set up by the finnish military administration. in the thread we are talking about,there are photos of the victims of the soviet bombing. Ноw, according to this logic, are they related to the finnish army in WW2?

I also reported some posts of dead soviet soldiers from battle of suomussalmi from other posters that showed faces and distorted bodies, because I really think it's in bad taste. But it's for the mods to decide where line goes.
There is so much newly released material on the camps that would warrant it's own thread.

Маybe you are right in this case.

 

[PEMM]

I never had any intentions to make "other guy bad, us good" narrative.I just tryed to show deeply.

I must have construed your postings in negative light as I was already pissed about another matter. Sorry about that.

I used russian sourses(wich I can refer to if needed)You,I beliеve,using finnish ones.They are,predictably,differ.Maybe I should have made a remark about that.But,I think,it does not make them clearly incorrect..

The problem was that (as far as I remember) you claimed ingrians were not allowed among other citizens when they were in fact dispersed around the country. I just watched a documentary from Swedish television by ingrian who took refuge in Sweden after the war. So if you are interested in the issue, I recommend you try to find something by Ingrians themselves.

And why Finnish military thread not a correct section?....

I was unclear in my post, I was referring to the picture of soviet military. Which would fit perfectly well here, don't you think? Posting of the camp wasn't incorrect.

 

[SamWell]

I must have construed your postings in negative light as I was already pissed about another matter. Sorry about that.

It looks like you are a person who is inclined to create а mess under the influence of emotions and bad mood.Stop this for your own good.

The problem was that (as far as I remember) you claimed ingrians were not allowed among other citizens when they were in fact dispersed around the country. I just watched a documentary from Swedish television by ingrian who took refuge in Sweden after the war. So if you are interested in the issue, I recommend you try to find something by Ingrians themselves.

You have confused and mixed two оf my statements
I claimed that there was two type of deported people.First type is people who was deported exactly to Finland(to compensate losses of manpower).
And there was second type of deported people.Some amount of finno-ugric(karelians,vesps,ingrians and so on) people were deported from german occupied territory of Leningrad and Tver regions,by request of Mannerheim.They were forcibly settled in the finnish occupied territory in places from where "non-nations" were expelled,with the aim to "nationalize it"(repopulate by new).And this people were not allowed to live regions where they been stationed and they were, in fact, treated as POWs,when being civilians.

Can you send me this mentioned video?It would not be uninteresting, for informational purposes.Of course,I certainly hope that this video will not be in swedish or finnish language(which I,sadly,do not understand).

I was unclear in my post, I was referring to the picture of soviet military. Which would fit perfectly well here, don't you think? Posting of the camp wasn't incorrect.

As I said earlier,It was soviet soldiers liberating a concentration camp.Described camp was pictured around them.
If I understand correctlу your disagreement,there should be no photos of concentration camps without finnish military presence on it?And if red army men happend to get inside the camp,such picture should be immediately removed?

 

[PEMM]

It looks like you are a person who is inclined to create а mess under the influence of emotions and bad mood.Stop this for your own good.

I see you are the kind of person who proceeds to use olive branch as a swat. Don't ever change.

You have confused and mixed two оf my statements
I claimed that there was two type of deported people.First type is people who was deported exactly to Finland(to compensate losses of manpower).
And there was second type of deported people.Some amount of finno-ugric(karelians,vesps,ingrians and so on) people were deported from german occupied territory of Leningrad and Tver regions,by request of Mannerheim.They were forcibly settled in the finnish occupied territory in places from where "non-nations" were expelled,with the aim to "nationalize it"(repopulate by new).And this people were not allowed to live regions where they been stationed and they were, in fact, treated as POWs,when being civilians.

I have difficulty following you. Who was deported to Finland and who were deported to East Karelia, and from where? Any numbers of the different groups?

Can you send me this mentioned video?It would not be uninteresting, for informational purposes.Of course,I certainly hope that this video will not be in swedish or finnish language(which I,sadly,do not understand).

Viewing rights were region and time limited, and the language was also regional. English speakers are not interested in these matters.

As I said earlier,It was soviet soldiers liberating a concentration camp.Described camp was pictured around them.
If I understand correctlу your disagreement,there should be no photos of concentration camps without finnish military presence on it?And if red army men happend to get inside the camp,such picture should be immediately removed?

As I understand your argument; if you had possession of pictures of Finnish Army inspecting soviet camps or Finnish civilians under soviet care, you would post them here instead of the Finnish Army thread? I would do the opposite.

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

I did not enter into this discussion, but I will add my own vision of the situation. I regard these threads as dedicated to a particular country during the Second World War. That is why I publish, for example, in the Soviet thread the work of the Soviet rear, the combat results of Soviet troops (destroyed enemy equipment), and several times of German soldiers - so that the reader can compare the position and appearance of both sides of the conflict in, for example, Stalingrad. Anyway, let's live together

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

Commander of the 2nd rank G.M. Stern, Marshal of the Mongolian People's Republic H. Choibalsan and corps commander G.K. Zhukov at the command post of Khamar-Daba. Khalkhin-Gol, 1939.

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

August 10, 1939, Khalkhin Gol, Marshal Choibalsan during the presentation of the Mongolian Orders of the Red Banner for Military Valor to a large group (more than 40 people) of pilots of the 70th Fighter Aviation Regiment. To the left of Choibalsan - Squadron Commander of the 70th Fighter Aviation Regiment, Major Alexei Dmitrievich Slutskov. Before Khalkhin Gol, Slutskov fought in China, and taking into account the battles on Khalkhin Gol, he became one of the most productive pilots with six personal victories. Then there was the Soviet-Finnish war, and then the Great Patriotic War. In the photographs of 1942, Slutskov is a lieutenant colonel, commander of the 27th Aviation Regiment near Stalingrad.

Far left - Lieutenant Orlov Leonid Aleksandrovich (1911-1943), a participant in the war in China in 1938, awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union on August 29, 1939 (Gold Star medal No. 150). His younger brother Anatoly Orlov also fought as a pilot on Khalkhin Gol and died, was awarded posthumously.

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

Red Army men in the back of a truck with captured wounded Japanese. Khalkhin-Gol, 1939.

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

"Ну дай ты докурить уже! Пристал со своим фотоаппаратом"

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

The pilot of the assault squadron of the 56th Fighter Aviation Regiment, Lieutenant P.F. Podkolzin near the I-15bis aircraft during the battles near the Khalkhin-Gol River. The year is 1939.

The aircraft is in the factory two-color paintwork (khaki green on the upper surfaces of the aircraft and light blue on the lower ones). On top of it there is an impromptu "additional" camouflage, stripes and stains applied with a spray gun. Noteworthy is the two-color propeller spinner.

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

The pilot of the assault squadron of the 56th Fighter Aviation Regiment, Lieutenant Stepan Timofeevich Matrosov at the field airfield near the I-15bis aircraft during the battles near the Khalkhin-Gol River. Mongolia, 1939.

Stepan Timofeevich Matrosov (1910-1939) died on September 15, 1939 in the last air battle of the Khalkhingol conflict. Buried in a mass grave in the battle area. He was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of the Battle.

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

Squadron Commander of the 22nd Fighter Aviation Regiment, Senior Lieutenant Witt Skobarikhin (1910-1989) in the cockpit of his I-16 with a wing damaged by a ram. Khalkhin-Gol area, July 1939. In total, during the battles on Khalkhin Gol, Witt Skobarikhin made 169 sorties and destroyed 11 enemy aircraft (5 in person and 6 in a group). On August 29, 1939, he was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union for courage and military valor displayed in battles with enemies.

After Khalkhin-Gol, he continued to serve in the Far East. He was an inspector for piloting techniques of the Air Force of the Siberian and Trans-Baikal Military Districts, then commanded the 64th assault aviation regiment. Member of the Great Patriotic War since 1942. In August 1942, Major V.F. was appointed commander of the 89th Assault Aviation Division (Trans-Baikal Military District). From January 1944 he was deputy commander of the 10th Guards Stalingrad Fighter Aviation Division. He ended the war in Czechoslovakia.

In 1948 he commanded a fighter aviation division in the Carpathian military district. Since 1948 he worked in the Central and Moscow City Committees of DOSAAF. Since 1954, Colonel Skobarikhin V.F. - retired for health reasons. He lived in the hero city of Moscow. Worked as a research assistant of the panorama "Battle of Borodino". Died on August 25, 1989. He was buried in Moscow at the Khovanskoye Central Cemetery.

He was awarded two Orders of Lenin, two Orders of the Red Banner, three Orders of the Patriotic War of the 1st degree, the Order of the Red Star, medals, and foreign awards.

 

[Иван Феоктистов]