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Trump and Putin seem to have a mutual love child in Musk.
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Russia will ‘undoubtedly’ discuss future Mars flights with Musk, Putin envoy says
Proposed talks would again put Musk, a senior adviser to Trump, in outsized and largely unaccountable role in international politics
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Trump denies that a couple of posts back. Doesn't matter, since Putin attacked Ukrainian infrastructure last night and Ukraine attacked Russian oil storage in response.
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This is why I havent critiqued much on the "negotiations." Whatever is posted on media or online, its the actions on the ground that would dictate my POV.
If the US really wants peace and a lasting one? Go ahead an negotiate for ceasefire, then arm Ukraine and give them intel at the prime targets in Russia. Every time Russia acts out, give Ukraine the green light. So every counter hurts. Russia is a trol and the only way to make them learn is beat them for every sucker punch.
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The quick strike on the Russian fuel depot tonight indicates that this is exactly what's happening
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No nothing is happening I tell you the facts Putler so far was very succesful in dodging that "deal".
Why are you interpreting stuff which isn't there?
He changed every demand.
Totally idiotic he is not interested in lasting peace and cooperation get that into your heads.
He is softening every demand until its gone and only his demands remain. Or he shat on everything and its useless and F***ed up.
Like Junglejim said they are professional trolls.
Trump already got into that trap hes talking to someone with a clear goal which is not peace to repeat myself ad nauseam.
Ukraine must be armed first and inflict such losses on Russia that it MUST negotiate peace. And that Rusdia can't pummel it every night with aerial attacks.
Not that cringe bromance show that we are witnessing right now.
Why are you interpreting stuff which isn't there?
He changed every demand.
Totally idiotic he is not interested in lasting peace and cooperation get that into your heads.
He is softening every demand until its gone and only his demands remain. Or he shat on everything and its useless and F***ed up.
Like Junglejim said they are professional trolls.
Trump already got into that trap hes talking to someone with a clear goal which is not peace to repeat myself ad nauseam.
Ukraine must be armed first and inflict such losses on Russia that it MUST negotiate peace. And that Rusdia can't pummel it every night with aerial attacks.
Not that cringe bromance show that we are witnessing right now.
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Trump and his delusional kiddie staff are the perfect present for Putin because they transferred inner rifts to the outside world and enemies.
Due to their cluelessness and simpletonness. All so easy isn't it? All others are idiots who waited for the god like saviours which with one stroke solve all problems.
Which is now abused by Putler.
Trump set up his own trap with his goals presented upfront like a total fool. And if all fails he goes into the enemy camp and says yeah didn't work because "insert Putler argument".
Due to their cluelessness and simpletonness. All so easy isn't it? All others are idiots who waited for the god like saviours which with one stroke solve all problems.
Which is now abused by Putler.
Trump set up his own trap with his goals presented upfront like a total fool. And if all fails he goes into the enemy camp and says yeah didn't work because "insert Putler argument".
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I've never been a Ukraine fanatic and tried to see both sides in a world of echo chambers, but Picanha is factually right. I do not doubt that Zelensky is not an angel of peace either, he has shown more than once that he is fine with escalating the conflict as good as he can.
However, Zelensky was the one who made himself available to some sort of compromise by getting of his maximal demands of liberating ever inch of Ukrainian territory no matter how reasonable.
Putin didn't even blink and just shot the whole process down.
I get that he can't just accept a peace dictated by Europe which would probably mean a Russia crushed forever (total withdrawal from Ukraine, paying for reconstruction and nonetheless keeping the sanctions in place as long as Putin is in power) and Europe seems really not interested in a negotiated settlement.
However, Trump offered Putin a way out on a f*cking silver plate. He could keep some of his conquests and probably get a lot of sanctions lifted. But he shot it down. Putin will be remembered as the leader having crushed Russia now. And unless China really does step n with its huge industrial and drone capacity, Russia will be on the loosing end of this war.
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That. In order to achieve peace, BOTH sides must feel the pressure.
In the beginning it was only Russia feeling the heat because everyone gave in to every demand Zelensky put on the table. I do have a feeling where "why dont you ever say thank you" stems from, because in the first years the Ukrainians were always only complaining despite everythink they got and like Melnik in Germany even meddling in domestic policies of allies, who appeared totally okay with it.
Now I thought maybe Donald is gonna level the playing field and puts pressure on both parties. But Trump just turned the tables and is parroting Putin like the Europeans have been parroting Zelensky before.
The entirety situation makes it hard to find a good broker for peace, since everyone seems to be circle jerking in his own camp. The internet is a good testimony for it, you'll find either pro Russia or Slava Ukraini echo chambers, but no factual reporting and discussion.
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But what you are forgetting in your argument is that Russia attacked Ukraine. And it wasn't Russia and Ukraine that agreed to go to war... Would you also have said that both sides must feel the pain when Hitler conquered the greater part of Europe?
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But only weak leaders like Biden would be made a fool of. They'd never! dare to do it to a strong leader like Trump.
Less than 24hrs and we're up to what? ... 21 in the number of broken agreements in this conflict?
The writing on the wall was make Trump wait for over an hour for the phone call. That's saying "F*ck you" right to someone's face.
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And no, Ukraine attacking a oil depot in response doesn't retaliate anything since it's not Ukraine's president that got humiliated, it's Trump. A superpower having an underling do it's dirty business is the ultimate sign of submission.
Less than 24hrs and we're up to what? ... 21 in the number of broken agreements in this conflict?
The writing on the wall was make Trump wait for over an hour for the phone call. That's saying "F*ck you" right to someone's face.
Ukraine-Russia war latest: Putin bombs energy plant hours after agreeing 30-day halt during Trump call
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky said he will speak with Donald Trump today
And no, Ukraine attacking a oil depot in response doesn't retaliate anything since it's not Ukraine's president that got humiliated, it's Trump. A superpower having an underling do it's dirty business is the ultimate sign of submission.
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The question is if I want to get to a negotiated settlement. For obious reasons in WWII that never was the intention. If Trump floated "total victory", this would ofc be a non starter as well.
Trumps stated intention was "peace negotiations" however, so it's a different boat. And it's against human nature to settle for half, if you know you can have it all.
It all depends on your intentions.
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They made POTUS sit for an hour, lied about what was discussed and then started bombing energy infrastructure.
They have done something similar with each cease fire.
This should make it clear how serious they are about the process.
Intentions also change depending on how pragmatic a solution is. Per WW2, yes, the allies likely woudlve conceded to a peace deal in today's environment (the age of nuclear weapons).
I don't think Trump is interested in peace per se. His peace rhetoric was for domestic consumption, i.e. a means to stop wasting money on Ukraine. THAT is what MAGA wants. His supporters are sick and tired of dipshit Democrats spending billions and waiving the Ukrainian flag in congress.
Per Trump, why should the US arm Zelensky anyways? What's in it for us? Does not Ukraine/Europe ever get tired of being the United State's welfare case? Perhaps Europe should stop crying and start dealing with their own problems.
Trump views the world differently. The NeoConservative agenda of projecting American power to every inch of the globe is ending under Trump. It's a waste of money and resources that could be better spent on our own side of the Atlantic.
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Germany prepares to send 11 billion €s to Ukraine.
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Bundesregierung plant Elf-Milliarden-Paket für die Ukraine
Um Kiew militärisch besser zu unterstützen, schnürt die Bundesregierung ein großes Hilfspaket. Finanzminister Kukies gibt die ersten drei Milliarden Euro frei - acht weitere sollen folgen. Die Mehrausgaben seien notwendig: Andernfalls drohe die Ukraine den Verteidigungskampf zu verlieren.
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Russian neo-nazi war criminal received a life sentence in Finland.
Finnish court hands Voislav Torden life sentence for war crimes
A life sentence in Finland means an average of 14-15 years behind bars.
The Helsinki District Court has sentenced Voislav Torden, a Russian national, to life imprisonment for four war crimes.
The prosecutor had sought a life sentence for Torden on five counts of war crimes, but the district court dismissed one of the charges.
A life sentence in Finland means an average of 14-15 years behind bars.
The court found that Torden was indisputably a member of the far-right Rusich paramilitary group, which fought against Ukrainian forces in the Luhansk separatist region over a decade ago.
In its verdict, the court determined that Torden took part in the killing of one soldier and had taken and disseminated degrading images of the fallen soldier from the scene. Torden had also declared online and on social media that Rusich would show no mercy.
At the time of the events, Torden used the name Jan Petrovski. Prosecutors argued that, under Torden's command, the extremist group massacred 22 Ukrainian soldiers and seriously wounded four others on 5 September 2014.
Torden's lawyer, Heikki Lampela, said that Torden would appeal the verdict.
Ukraine's Prosecutor General thanked the Finnish National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) and the prosecutors for their work in securing Torden's conviction, via the messaging service X.
First Ukrainian war trial in Finland
The trial was held in Finland, as the Finnish Supreme Court ruled that Torden could not be extradited to Ukraine due to poor conditions in its prisons and the assessment that he would not receive a fair trial there.
The case was tried in the Helsinki District Court as it concerned an international crime, governed by international treaties that are binding on Finland.
Torden was detained by the Finnish Border Guard in August 2023. He is on the EU sanctions list and banned from entering Finland.
The Finnish Security and Intelligence Service (Supo) has warned that the case could endanger Finns in Russia, who could be detained to be exchanged for Torden.
Finnish courts have previously handled war crimes cases related to Iraq, Liberia, and Rwanda. This was, however, the first time that charges related to suspected crimes in Ukraine have been brought and tried in Finland.
Finnish court hands Voislav Torden life sentence for war crimes
A life sentence in Finland means an average of 14-15 years behind bars.yle.fi
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When will cheap, used aircraft carriers hit the market? Someone needs to do that policing.
Are people aware of the amount the US is spending on Ukraine or do they think that stopping it will fix their economy?
Bilateral aid to Ukraine by country GDP 2024 | Statista
Estonia and Denmark had the highest ratio of bilateral support to Ukraine to donor GDP as of February 2024. Poland ranked sixth by GDP share of aid to Ukraine.
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No one can be forced to participate on supporting defensive war against an aggressor.
Of course the US had the added baggage that it guaranteed Ukrainian borders.
Ukraine Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikisource, the free online library
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