Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[shonima]

Even though it pains me to see the first Leos "die", if this is the expected offensive, I wish the Ukies kick the Orcs' asses so thoroughly that they just scream for mama. I am so sick of the orcs and the current regime, they should all go to hell!

They need jets ASAP. Helicopters/attack UAV also would be great

 

[PegAsus]

They need jets ASAP. Helicopters/attack UAV also would be great

If it were up to me, they could have everything they need from us. After everything that has happened so far, I don't understand the reserved reaction of some countries (including my country, Germany). Give them everything they need to chase the orcs out of the country and to make sure that Russia can never start such a war again.

 

[shonima]

If it were up to me, they could have everything they need from us. After everything that has happened so far, I don't understand the reserved reaction of some countries (including my country, Germany). Give them everything they need to chase the orcs out of the country and to make sure that Russia can never start such a war again.

Luckily, Germany is waking up. Meanwhile USA is slowing down, unfortunately.
It was hard to watch Leo burn, but there’s nothing on this planet that can hold artillery shell. I believe Ukrainians are doing their best with all they’ve got, but that’s not enough. Those fookers somehow are still producing cruise and hypersonic rockets. Question is, who’s helping them to bypass sanctions? Once war will end, there will be investigations and I hope we will find out

 

[PegAsus]

Luckily, Germany is waking up. Meanwhile USA is slowing down, unfortunately.
It was hard to watch Leo burn, but there’s nothing on this planet that can hold artillery shell. I believe Ukrainians are doing their best with all they’ve got, but that’s not enough. Those fookers somehow are still producing cruise and hypersonic rockets. Question is, who’s helping them to bypass sanctions? Once war will end, there will be investigations and I hope we will find out

If I had to guess, China first, Iran next, and I don't know who else. Hopefully they will all get the bill for supporting this war on the wrong side!

 

[profyler]

They don't need jets. None of them will get air superiority in this war. They need tanks, personal and a lot of tech (jammers, drones etc).

 

[Fluff]

I would suggest Ukr now has superiority in Air defense, based on SAM's. When the patriots arrived, and appear to have knocked half a dozen or so russian aircraft out of the sky, in what was 'safe' russian airspace, russian airforce seems to have packed their bags. Its going to be a ground war, one side with more PGM's, Russians maybe with more arty, but ukr has been hitting logistics etc, so guns with no ammo, not a lot of use....

Strange we dont have any 'new' members, to tell us how stronk russia is, by hitting one Leo2......

 

[Mike1976]

They don't need jets. None of them will get air superiority in this war. They need tanks, personal and a lot of tech (jammers, drones etc).

Yes, they do need them. NATO doctrine is built around stand-off guided munitions. Welding and bolting stuff to a Flanker, Fencer or Fulcrum will only get you a tiny sample of the full capability of the arsenal.

 

[Mike1976]

seeing blown up Leo2, AMX etc will not be a surprise. their not unvencible. I hope they use it with total care though.

Not intending to be insensitive here, but I'm more concerned with what is missing on the pictures rather than what is on them; no dead infantrymen.

Tanks not being supported by infantry has been a constant of this war, on both sides. The two Ukrainian T-72s rolling up on the ATGM trench being the best documented example. Not even suppressing with the machine guns even though they had already taken fire from the trench. The BMP2 was no where to be seen during the final phase of the assault, and was it even carrying dismounts? They sure weren't on top where they usually are on Soviet infantry carriers. They may have been providing enfilade fire, but what good is that if the assault element is left exposed. If those Russians had been slightly better trained and supported those tanks wouldn't have made it back.

Just like here with the armoured column. All bunching up like we've seen the Russians do countless times. I know training an armoured brigade can't be done to western standards even if the troops have prior knowledge on other platforms in a few months, but such basic mistakes ...

 

[Fluff]

Not intending to be insensitive here, but I'm more concerned with what is missing on the pictures rather than what is on them; no dead infantrymen.

Tanks not being supported by infantry has been a constant of this war, on both sides. The two Ukrainian T-72s rolling up on the ATGM trench being the best documented example. Not even suppressing with the machine guns even though they had already taken fire from the trench. The BMP2 was no where to be seen during the final phase of the assault, and was it even carrying dismounts? They sure weren't on top where they usually are on Soviet infantry carriers. They may have been providing enfilade fire, but what good is that if the assault element is left exposed. If those Russians had been slightly better trained and supported those tanks wouldn't have made it back.

Just like here with the armoured column. All bunching up like we've seen the Russians do countless times. I know training an armoured brigade can't be done to western standards even if the troops have prior knowledge on other platforms in a few months, but such basic mistakes ...

They had m113 with them, and all the vehicles are stationary, suggests to me the main action is over, infantry will mostly be in the russian trenches. Quite possible the russians got a rpg off, detracked the leo, and russian arty got a lucky hit some time later.

 

[shonima]

They had m113 with them, and all the vehicles are stationary, suggests to me the main action is over, infantry will mostly be in the russian trenches. Quite possible the russians got a rpg off, detracked the leo, and russian arty got a lucky hit some time later.

99.9% it happened that way, or Leo stepped on mine. IIRC, Ukrainians are using rapid attacks, they don’t really slowdown. Most videos I’ve seen, they simply pass by fresh exploded vehicles and keep advance, they don’t have a luxury to stop. They definitely need more serious drones, FPV is not a serious. They should start using drone fighting drones, tiny rockets or net ejector or something like that.

 

[Mike1976]

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[Musashi]

Luckily, Germany is waking up. Meanwhile USA is slowing down, unfortunately.
It was hard to watch Leo burn, but there’s nothing on this planet that can hold artillery shell. I believe Ukrainians are doing their best with all they’ve got, but that’s not enough. Those fookers somehow are still producing cruise and hypersonic rockets. Question is, who’s helping them to bypass sanctions? Once war will end, there will be investigations and I hope we will find out

It’s obvious who helps them bypass the sanctions: Iran, China, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. Except for Iran, the rest of them can buy some products, like processors, freely in the West and resell them to Russia with a big profit.

 

[Fluff]

It’s obvious who helps them bypass the sanctions: Iran, China, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. Except for Iran, the rest of them can buy some products, like processors, freely in the West and resell them to Russia with a big profit.

Volumes versus free trade are low. And west has nasty habit of not letting it go, so maybe not this year, but next year, if you were selling screws to Russia, which ended up in a drone over Kiev, you will be found. You will never sell another screw on eBay, Amazon etc. sounds daft, but it works,

 

[shonima]

It’s obvious who helps them bypass the sanctions: Iran, China, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. Except for Iran, the rest of them can buy some products, like processors, freely in the West and resell them to Russia with a big profit.

At least Turkey, Armenia and Georgia could be sanctioned by EU easy. EU doesn’t need this war, USA is getting very unpredictable, we have elections soon. Orcs know about it, that’s why they are trying to prolong war. I think that’s the reason why Germany is taking reins into their hands. Looks like EU will have to deal with it themselves. I really hope USA won’t give up. I don’t like how passive we are last few months. I thought after dam attack we would send Ukraine ATACMS, but still nothing

 

[Musashi]

At least Turkey, Armenia and Georgia could be sanctioned by EU easy. EU doesn’t need this war, USA is getting very unpredictable, we have elections soon. Orcs know about it, that’s why they are trying to prolong war. I think that’s the reason why Germany is taking reins into their hands. Looks like EU will have to deal with it themselves. I really hope USA won’t give up. I don’t like how passive we are last few months. I thought after dam attack we would send Ukraine ATACMS, but still nothing

It's not easy to sanction Turkey. It holds the EU by the balls, as it may release a new wave of Third Worlders who would love to live in the EU. A few years ago, the EU paid Turkey a few €bns, bending to the Turkish blackmail.
Let's imagine your neighbour taking a sh1t in front of your door every day. He says he will stop doing it just if you pay him a few hundred dollars. Would you pay him the money or would you kick his ass? If you paid him, he would resume sh1tting in front of your door after a few weeks again and demanded ever more money for stopping it.

Also, Turkey holds the NATO by the balls by blocking Sweden's access. It can carry on doing so for a few more years. Why not?

There are mafias who import tens of thousands of banned goods from the aforementioned countries to Russia and nothing has been done about it so far. Going to Armenia or Turkey to buy a western fridge or an iPhone is just a little thing. There syndicates who do it on the mass scale.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

Not intending to be insensitive here, but I'm more concerned with what is missing on the pictures rather than what is on them; no dead infantrymen.

Tanks not being supported by infantry has been a constant of this war, on both sides. The two Ukrainian T-72s rolling up on the ATGM trench being the best documented example. Not even suppressing with the machine guns even though they had already taken fire from the trench. The BMP2 was no where to be seen during the final phase of the assault, and was it even carrying dismounts? They sure weren't on top where they usually are on Soviet infantry carriers. They may have been providing enfilade fire, but what good is that if the assault element is left exposed. If those Russians had been slightly better trained and supported those tanks wouldn't have made it back.

Just like here with the armoured column. All bunching up like we've seen the Russians do countless times. I know training an armoured brigade can't be done to western standards even if the troops have prior knowledge on other platforms in a few months, but such basic mistakes ...

Infantry will have no effect upon an artillery round dropping on a tank.

 

[shonima]

It's not easy to sanction Turkey. It holds the EU by the balls, as it may release a new wave of Third Worlders who would love to live in the EU. A few years ago, the EU paid Turkey a few €bns, bending to the Turkish blackmail.
Let's imagine your neighbour taking a sh1t in front of your door every day. He says he will stop doing it just if you pay him a few hundred dollars. Would you pay him the money or would you kick his ass? If you paid him, he would resume sh1tting in front of your door after a few weeks again and demanded ever more money for stopping it.

Also, Turkey holds the NATO by the balls by blocking Sweden's access. It can carry on doing so for a few more years. Why not?

There are mafias who import tens of thousands of banned goods from the aforementioned countries to Russia and nothing has been done about it so far. Going to Armenia or Turkey to buy a western fridge or an iPhone is just a little thing. There syndicates who do it on the mass scale.

NATO should be reorganized. Turkey, Hungary - I don’t believe these two will take a part in any actions, if something serious will happen. Both countries made their decision, they choose autocrats. Turkey is not part of the EU. Just block god damned border. I know it’s not that easy. But we live in a very fragile times. USA is about to explode by illegals, so does EU. F***in ruZZia is using this moment

 

[Musashi]

NATO should be reorganized. Turkey, Hungary - I don’t believe these two will take a part in any actions, if something serious will happen. Both countries made their decision, they choose autocrats. Turkey is not part of the EU. Just block god damned border. I know it’s not that easy. But we live in a very fragile times. USA is about to explode by illegals, so does EU. F***in ruZZia is using this moment

It’s more complicated. Turkey still supports Ukraine officially and delivers it weapons. It also sorted out the grain deal, offering convoying merchant ships if RuZZia didn’t strike the deal. Has any EU country done the same? No chance.
Pushing Turkey towards RuZZia wouldn’t help the NATO at all. It would require more resources and money to confront them, while the Western societies are uncomfortable with the current expenses on defence. Demanding more would turn the societies against these parties and increase support for right-wing parties that are largely controlled by RuZZia.

The best example is Germany.
In the last 12 months, the support rate for AfDrasts has increased by 80% and it’s just one percent lower than SPD.

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That’s why the German government tries different ways for its support not going down even further.
It sends back Third Worlders, who got from Belarus via Poland to Germany illegally, to Poland despite being the most left-wing German government for a long time.

When it comes to the USA, some Republicans are either explicitly pro-Russian, or they just want to pull out US troops of Europe. It would make Europe vulnerable as fvck.
On the other hand, the Democrats don’t do much to prevent the illegal Third Worlders from crossing the US border, so they keep losing support of their voters despite supporting Ukraine.

So, there’s no easy solution. It’s a typical catch 22 scenario.

 

[downsizer]

They need jets ASAP. Helicopters/attack UAV also would be great

No they need more arty, ammunition and armoured vehicles.


The russians still have a very formidable IADS and unless that is neutralised the inevitable result is going to be dead pilots. A handful of FJ is not going to suppress the russian IADS for the anything coming close to the FLOT in any great numbers. Anything at any altitude within a reasonable range of the FLOT will get swatted out of the sky currently.