Two things are strange there:
- why did the Ukrainians decide to attack the best RuZZian units in the best prepared terrain?
- why did they sacrifice the best available vehicles that are Leopard 2A6s and M2A2 Bradleys?
I dont know if it was this attack, but I read that one attack was to trigger one of the few russian reserves to deploy, and can then be hit. This one could just be the fog of war, russians got lucky. Will happen, hopefully the crews got out and some of the vehicles repaired and reused.

Given all we have is this attack, and putin having strawberries with Luka, and telling his people that 'we expected this' its difficult to know what is really going on.

But also keep the numbers in mind, Ukr started with about 900 tanks, lost some, captured 500 tanks, been given maybe 500 more? So they have maybe 1400 tanks? This is more than Europe and UK has, added together. Lose 50, thats 3% if that gets russia out of one region, totally worth it.
 
I still don’t think it’s full scale counteroffensive. More like prelude
13 out of 60 Bradleys out of action is almost 25%. At this rate they'll be back to using BMPs as their main assault vehicles pretty quickly.

I've seen a video of at least one KA-52 firing ATGMs at a column of what looked to be armored vehicles with the first target being the largest heat signature in the center of the column. Hard to say from different perspectives, but the road looked somewhat like the place where the Leopard and Bradleys were taken out. Maybe the KA-52 took out at least some of the vehicles and the artillery then opened up to hit the rest and finish off immobile targets?

That would be a huge problem because it would mean two things:
- Ukrainians didn’t think to provide one of their premiere formations with SHORAD;
- Bradley crews panicked instead of engaging the helicopter(s).
I dont know if it was this attack, but I read that one attack was to trigger one of the few russian reserves to deploy, and can then be hit. This one could just be the fog of war, russians got lucky. Will happen, hopefully the crews got out and some of the vehicles repaired and reused.

Given all we have is this attack, and putin having strawberries with Luka, and telling his people that 'we expected this' its difficult to know what is really going on.

But also keep the numbers in mind, Ukr started with about 900 tanks, lost some, captured 500 tanks, been given maybe 500 more? So they have maybe 1400 tanks? This is more than Europe and UK has, added together. Lose 50, thats 3% if that gets russia out of one region, totally worth it.
Problem is we're not seeing all Ukrainian (tank) losses throughout the year. No way they have anywhere close to 1400 operational tanks as that would mean zero losses during the defensive phase which is impossible. We've seen the road to Bakhmut littered with vehicle losses. That's just one cluster of Ukrainian forces for russia to throw their artillery at and there are more clusters both to the north and to the south.
 
13 out of 60 Bradleys out of action is almost 25%. At this rate they'll be back to using BMPs as their main assault vehicles pretty quickly.

I've seen a video of at least one KA-52 firing ATGMs at a column of what looked to be armored vehicles with the first target being the largest heat signature in the center of the column. Hard to say from different perspectives, but the road looked somewhat like the place where the Leopard and Bradleys were taken out. Maybe the KA-52 took out at least some of the vehicles and the artillery then opened up to hit the rest and finish off immobile targets?

That would be a huge problem because it would mean two things:
- Ukrainians didn’t think to provide one of their premiere formations with SHORAD;
- Bradley crews panicked instead of engaging the helicopter(s).

Problem is we're not seeing all Ukrainian (tank) losses throughout the year. No way they have anywhere close to 1400 operational tanks as that would mean zero losses during the defensive phase which is impossible. We've seen the road to Bakhmut littered with vehicle losses. That's just one cluster of Ukrainian forces for russia to throw their artillery at and there are more clusters both to the north and to the south.
I took 500 off, as losses.

I read another item on this attack, the column next to them, made it through, and succeeded. So it’s all in what we see, or Russia wants us to see.

Somehow I’m doubtful Russia can convince either the west, or its own people, that it’s going well.

In ww2 didn’t the German public follow the progress of Russia and allies by tracking where the brave German troops were digging into. I.e. no announcements of a city or battle lost, but a week later they are digging in at the next city, 50km closer to Berlin.
 
Here comes the analysis of someone sitting in in front of his computer and just letting his open ideas through, although they are that of a layman:

My first remark would be the front is now extremely fortified, everywhere, except for Russia proper but as symbolic as it can be, it can be only used as barter and even that is unsure. We saw that during the recovery of the Kharkiv oblast, the Russians were able to fortify Svatove and Kreminna very quickly, and even gaining back a little ground.

Attacking the front in Zaporozhia in direction of the South is directing the efforts towards the Azov sea. I can understand that it is a highly prized asset. Ukraine risks being landlocked, because without Crimea and the Azov shores, the Odessa port and the smaller one next to it are unsafe and too far away from the industrial heart of the country. My quick assessment is that the Luhansk oblast has little value, the southern districts are much more important. Getting back its access to the sea seems critical. For the Russians, without the landbridge, holding Crimea is going to be extremely compicated.

I am not knowledgeable on available tech on tanks or armored vehicles, but what I read is that the breakthrough is extremely complex: without moving in a column, you can hit a mine and then that´s it unless you can retrieve the vehicle (that shields its crew better than the Soviet crap). We knew Ukraine lacks some elements such as the capacity to launch a huge artillery barrage, and anti aircraft defenses. It also lacks planes...and I do wonder what purpose the Migs that the Poles and the Slovaks transferred will get. Perhaps they are not good for anything other than dogfights, and not a match for helicopters that can travel at low speeds. But the fact is we saw no aircraft action from the Ukrainians.

The use of Bradleys and Leos does hint that this is the major offensive. But it might also be a feint to make the Russians think that.

So I am rather on a waiting mode here. Here and there there is some chatter about the Ukrainians slowly gaining ground around Bakhmut, and some operations in the South did bear fruit: I heard that the Ukrainians gained ten square kilometers around the village of Kamianske by the river between Zaporozhia and Energodar where the power plant is.

I do believe that some pro Ukrainian accounts are fake and propagating "dissapointment", "worries" in order to break the morale of allies. That the Ukrainians will do everything perfectly? No I don´t think so, mistakes are made and learned from: even the Russians do that. Let´s see how this all unfolds in the next week.
 
Here comes the analysis of someone sitting in in front of his computer and just letting his open ideas through, although they are that of a layman:

My first remark would be the front is now extremely fortified, everywhere, except for Russia proper but as symbolic as it can be, it can be only used as barter and even that is unsure. We saw that during the recovery of the Kharkiv oblast, the Russians were able to fortify Svatove and Kreminna very quickly, and even gaining back a little ground.

Attacking the front in Zaporozhia in direction of the South is directing the efforts towards the Azov sea. I can understand that it is a highly prized asset. Ukraine risks being landlocked, because without Crimea and the Azov shores, the Odessa port and the smaller one next to it are unsafe and too far away from the industrial heart of the country. My quick assessment is that the Luhansk oblast has little value, the southern districts are much more important. Getting back its access to the sea seems critical. For the Russians, without the landbridge, holding Crimea is going to be extremely compicated.

I am not knowledgeable on available tech on tanks or armored vehicles, but what I read is that the breakthrough is extremely complex: without moving in a column, you can hit a mine and then that´s it unless you can retrieve the vehicle (that shields its crew better than the Soviet crap). We knew Ukraine lacks some elements such as the capacity to launch a huge artillery barrage, and anti aircraft defenses. It also lacks planes...and I do wonder what purpose the Migs that the Poles and the Slovaks transferred will get. Perhaps they are not good for anything other than dogfights, and not a match for helicopters that can travel at low speeds. But the fact is we saw no aircraft action from the Ukrainians.

The use of Bradleys and Leos does hint that this is the major offensive. But it might also be a feint to make the Russians think that.

So I am rather on a waiting mode here. Here and there there is some chatter about the Ukrainians slowly gaining ground around Bakhmut, and some operations in the South did bear fruit: I heard that the Ukrainians gained ten square kilometers around the village of Kamianske by the river between Zaporozhia and Energodar where the power plant is.

I do believe that some pro Ukrainian accounts are fake and propagating "dissapointment", "worries" in order to break the morale of allies. That the Ukrainians will do everything perfectly? No I don´t think so, mistakes are made and learned from: even the Russians do that. Let´s see how this all unfolds in the next week.
2nd best army in world, is waiting for the underdog to attack, at a time and location of their choosing.

Your invasions is going well then, mr putin?
 
I have exactly the same questions. Sometimes Ukraine is making russian-style mistake. They could’ve used 2A4 or even t64/72/80… but in that case they would’ve lost tank crew. They made also big a big mistake with Iris-T radar couple days ago. Reported losses are 13(!) Bradleys and 2 Leos.
A Polish analyst pointed out a strange thing done by the Ukrainian Army. While it has NBA-all-star-level units, like the 1st Tank Brigade that defended Chervihiv and fvcked up the RuZZian supply lines when the entire Russian tank army approached Kyiv from the east at Brovary, plus the mechanised brigade that fvcked up the RuZZian offensive on Vuhledar, it does not give these brigades the most modern equipment, but sends it to the fresh inexperienced brigades. As a result, the old and the most elite brigades are understrength, due to their equipment not being replenished, while the new ones are inexperienced and waste the latest equipment by not being able to use it effectively. These soldiers were trained for 3 months in Poland and Germany and thrown into a battle against the most elite Russian units in a heavily mined terrain, that was covered by artillery and ATGMs.. They are the soldiers who damaged the Polish Leopard 2A4 during their "fast-track" training a few weeks ago, misplacing its turret.

Hitler was also mad about forming as many new panzer divisions as possible, so the old ones have newer reached their full strength again in 1942-1945 due to not having been able to recover. However, he did not give his latest equipment to the Volkssturm but to the Waffen SS.
 
I am not knowledgeable on available tech on tanks or armored vehicles, but what I read is that the breakthrough is extremely complex: without moving in a column, you can hit a mine and then that´s it unless you can retrieve the vehicle (that shields its crew better than the Soviet crap). We knew Ukraine lacks some elements such as the capacity to launch a huge artillery barrage, and anti aircraft defenses. It also lacks planes...and I do wonder what purpose the Migs that the Poles and the Slovaks transferred will get. Perhaps they are not good for anything other than dogfights, and not a match for helicopters that can travel at low speeds. But the fact is we saw no aircraft action from the Ukrainians.
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From that video it looks like all available russian units are engaged and if Ukraine manages to punch through anywhere in the south russia will need to trade a lot of space for time. Possibly even not being able to hold a new defensive line before reaching the Crimea istmus and the 2014 fortifications in the Donetsk Oblast.
 
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A Polish analyst pointed out a strange thing done by the Ukrainian Army. While it has NBA-all-star-level units, like the 1st Tank Brigade that defended Chervihiv and fvcked up the RuZZian supply lines when the entire Russian tank army approached Kyiv from the east at Brovary, plus the mechanised brigade that fvcked up the RuZZian offensive on Vuhledar, it does not give these brigades the most modern equipment, but sends it to the fresh inexperienced brigades. As a result, the old and the most elite brigades are understrength, due to their equipment not being replenished, while the new ones are inexperienced and waste the latest equipment by not being able to use it effectively. These soldiers were trained for 3 months in Poland and Germany and thrown into a battle against the most elite Russian units in a heavily mined terrain, that was covered by artillery and ATGMs.. They are the soldiers who damaged the Polish Leopard 2A4 during their "fast-track" training a few weeks ago, misplacing its turret.

Hitler was also mad about forming as many new panzer divisions as possible, so the old ones have newer reached their full strength again in 1942-1945 due to not having been able to recover. However, he did not give his latest equipment to the Volkssturm but to the Waffen SS.
Yeah, but in this instance I'd rather consider it a continuation of Soviet doctrine. Most Soviet formations were formed, thrown into the line and used up with what they had until they only existed on paper. Only Guards units could rely on being reequipped with newer equipment or brought back to fighting strength after being decimated.
 
I dont know if it was this attack, but I read that one attack was to trigger one of the few russian reserves to deploy, and can then be hit. This one could just be the fog of war, russians got lucky. Will happen, hopefully the crews got out and some of the vehicles repaired and reused.

Given all we have is this attack, and putin having strawberries with Luka, and telling his people that 'we expected this' its difficult to know what is really going on.

But also keep the numbers in mind, Ukr started with about 900 tanks, lost some, captured 500 tanks, been given maybe 500 more? So they have maybe 1400 tanks? This is more than Europe and UK has, added together. Lose 50, thats 3% if that gets russia out of one region, totally worth it.
What the Ukrainians should have known is the fact that the RuZZians are experts at mining. Remember what happened at Kursk in 1943. The performance of the Soviet tanks was a joke and their crews destroyed very few German tanks. Most of the German tanks were heavily damaged or destroyed by mines, Soviet infantry anti-tank guns and heavy howitzers. The Soviet suicidal "banzai" tank charges had almost no effect on the Germans, while the Soviet artillery and infantry performed much better in defence.
During the Soviet "victory" at Prokhorowka, the German irrecoverable losses were 10 tanks, while there were about 40 damaged ones. At the same time, the Soviets lost 300 tanks. During the whole operation, the Germans lost about 400 tanks, while the Soviets lost 6000+.
However, the Soviet mines were disabling tens of German tanks every day, so the number of operational tanks was very low on a daily basis and a lot of them stayed at repair workshops.
 
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I took 500 off, as losses.
The pre-invasion Ukrainian tank figures had about 900 tanks with T-64s and T-55s in about a 50-50 ratio. Those T-55s have been in storage ever since being retired and will likely never see the light of day again unless a foreign factory completely rebuilds them if they even still exist in any larger number rather than having been quietly scrapped. Even the T-64s weren't all in service and their general condition questionable ... Like in russia a major part of the Ukrainian tank force only existed on paper.
 
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I have exactly the same questions. Sometimes Ukraine is making russian-style mistake. They could’ve used 2A4 or even t64/72/80… but in that case they would’ve lost tank crew. They made also big a big mistake with Iris-T radar couple days ago. Reported losses are 13(!) Bradleys and 2 Leos.
I'm no armor expert, but if there is a silver lining to this, those mostly look like mobility kills, not catastrophic. While a few of them are quite evidently toast, most look like they were de-tracked. I bet most of those vehicles will be recoverable and repaired.
 
I'm no armor expert, but if there is a silver lining to this, those mostly look like mobility kills, not catastrophic. While a few of them are quite evidently toast, most look like they were de-tracked. I bet most of those vehicles will be recoverable and repaired.
Quite likely, but if any part of the drive train is bent, bulged or snapped off those vehicles will probably be out for a while, well beyond the duration of this offensive, likely needing to be transported back to a US maintenance depot or even the manufacturer. The US would simply push it aside and replace the vehicle with one from storage. Ukraine doesn't have that luxury.
 
Guys, I think you miss one moment - mentality. Soviet mentality. Like or not, even Ukrainians still have it. In soviet doctrine tank/apc/soldier are expendable resource. Western doctrine is counter clockwise. IIRC M1A2, used to be recovered, even after total destruction. Communists are different, they see it’s broken, it’s OUT.
 
Guys, I think you miss one moment - mentality. Soviet mentality. Like or not, even Ukrainians still have it. In soviet doctrine tank/apc/soldier are expendable resource. Western doctrine is counter clockwise. IIRC M1A2, used to be recovered, even after total destruction. Communists are different, they see it’s broken, it’s OUT.
And the Ukrainians are missing the bit where every former member of the USSR aren't building hundreds of tanks a year each like they used to. If they keep going at it like that they'll be back to the other great Soviet mentality of one rifle and one mag for every three guys.
 
Just saw a video with those Bradleys under attack. As we expected, troopers managed to leave the carrier, alive(!). and mount on another Bradley. They used smoke grenade and did it good(!) then next ATGM hits next Bradley. Dudes still manage to leave the field. Crazy video(!)
they lost second Bradley because it took them long to change vehicle

P.s. Also, these vehicles CAN be fixed!
P.p.s Fu@@ “Pentagon Wars” director(!) this vehicle has crazy survivability. Can’t even imagine them survive same impact on BMP 1/2/3 or any BTR
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