Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[Picanha]

Or they get the full SEAD package and finally some tomahawks.

Its so much missing everywhere. Didn't they already get some HARM?


On the news actually the IRIS-T mishap is unfortunate they need a bubble against hard to detect drones.

I thought the Ukrainians were more progressive here than old Bundeswehr generals which have ordered round about 5 drones and failed on all other drone projects. And nill protection against them.

Also more jammers are needed.

Everything is out there you just have to combine it.

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Regarding the loss of 1 Leopard 2 well "Kauf dir 'nen lolly Putler".

As hurting as it is people die material gets destroyed, If the crew escaped Leos' job is done - the vehicle can be replaced.

Additionally this was one incident and a static one. If this is all what can be shown by the Putlertruppen as success thats not much.

The breaching vehicle is also there seems they broke through and advanced fast.

As said a hundreds times attack at night I hope they do/did it. A thermal drone is not ubiquitous and Putleristen are blind at night.

The dam incident gives a hint that it may not be the 1000 victories the RuZzians already declared.

Sanctions should also be heavily enforced maybe start banning chip exports globally. Putler and everybody needing chips and technology can produce it themselves. Back to CW.

 

[NoOne]

No they need more arty, ammunition and armoured vehicles.


The russians still have a very formidable IADS and unless that is neutralised the inevitable result is going to be dead pilots. A handful of FJ is not going to suppress the russian IADS for the anything coming close to the FLOT in any great numbers. Anything at any altitude within a reasonable range of the FLOT will get swatted out of the sky currently.

I agree. NATO would achieve air dominance in a week and then pound the h*ll out of the Russian initially with stand-off weapons and then closer support but that ain't gonna happen this year.
Ammunition, ammunition, ammunition...

 

[shonima]

It’s hard to observe these beautiful machines in this condition. But, as we can see no bodies, hatches opened, soldiers survived, that’s most important. Ukrainians even managed to tow one Leo back. This attack clearly showed that Ukraine need hell of amount of artillery and long range rockets, you guys know better. Unlike ruzzians in Vuhledar, Ukrainians penetrated defense line of the orcs and took good positions. It doesn’t look like a full scale counteroffensive, but it’s getting there. Fingers crossed

 

[Mike1976]

No they need more arty, ammunition and armoured vehicles.


The russians still have a very formidable IADS and unless that is neutralised the inevitable result is going to be dead pilots. A handful of FJ is not going to suppress the russian IADS for the anything coming close to the FLOT in any great numbers. Anything at any altitude within a reasonable range of the FLOT will get swatted out of the sky currently.

Hence the need for jets to launch stand-off weapons so you don't have to get anywhere near the FLOT. You can do the same thing with ground launched ordnance, but barring specific platforms which Ukraine doesn't have these are more limited in range and less versatile (taking longer to move into range).

Conditions dictate what platforms are preferred. During GW1, GW2 and the Balkans stealth, nap-of-the-earth flying, TLAMs, anti-radiation missiles and LGBs were used to knock out AD after which aircraft could target at leisure.

During the GWOT the most threatening AD jet pilots would encounter were Dushkas so they could afford to fly low over the target and drop mainly JDAMs. Legacy dumb bombs with a relatively cheap upgrade package.

Because they could and it was the most economic method to achieve destruction of the target. In case there was a known heavy weapon they flew at higher altitude. Show-of-force was a major thing, buzzing enemy positions to try to scare them into disengaging. Again not something that was done if there was any credible threat to the aircraft.

The first three were much more high tech operations against credible IADS unlike the latter. Simply approaching the FLOT at altitude wasn't done then either while the defences were still intact and it wouldn't be done by Ukraine now either if they had F-16s and a stable supply of the right stand-off munitions (see the way they employ HARM and Storm Shadow).

Taking out more AD, C3 and logistics assets means less guided munitions intercepted means more AD, C3 and logistics assets destroyed means less guided munitions intercepted. A vicious circle for russia.

 

[Picanha]

I am still hoping these are the remnants of a night raid and all got evacuated or jumped on advancing vehicles.

Btw. who controls this area now?

 

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[shonima]

I am still hoping these are the remnants of a night raid and all got evacuated or jumped on advancing vehicles.

Btw. who controls this area now?

UAF is maintaining silence, as usually. Few videos from UAF drones show how orcs are leaving trenches and running away (might be a trick). According to orcish propaganda, Sladkov and Wargonzo Ukrainians took russian positions, and this is serious.
TBH, I like when UAF says nothing

 

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[Fluff]

I havent seen any vids of russians dancing on them, so worst case they are stuck in no-mans land. Of course ukr didnt just send 1 column, on one route, in one area, given the absolute who haw the russians are making, of this, you would think they have won the war. Lets see where we are in a weeks time.

I am still hoping these are the remnants of a night raid and all got evacuated or jumped on advancing vehicles.

Btw. who controls this area now?

 

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[Telmar]

I would suggest Ukr now has superiority in Air defense, based on SAM's. When the patriots arrived, and appear to have knocked half a dozen or so russian aircraft out of the sky, in what was 'safe' russian airspace, russian airforce seems to have packed their bags. Its going to be a ground war, one side with more PGM's, Russians maybe with more arty, but ukr has been hitting logistics etc, so guns with no ammo, not a lot of use....

Strange we dont have any 'new' members, to tell us how stronk russia is, by hitting one Leo2......

On twitter there are a lot of russian trolls and aso disingenious posters who claim to be on the Ukrainian side stating their "dissapointment" on Ukrainian losses and recirculating the destroyed armor pics, then from their twitter couch putting the tactics in doubt.

This was expected, that is the reason the Ukrainians called for silence. Fake Ukrainian supporters talk about offensives taking place, that in fact might not be taking place, or extremely minor in their amplitude, only to then send the "bad news". It failed.

I am no military expert by any means, and I just hope the Ukrainians manage their ressources in order to make a sufficient breach in what is a very highly defended front line. There will be tanks lost, soldiers lost, and also a pendulum movement at least at the beginning. Connaisseurs of the battle of France know that the first two days of the German troops in the Ardennes were by no means a walk in the park...but then we also know what happened.

Slava Ukraini!

 

[shonima]

Another TOS-1 destroyed. Also a lot of fresh videos with Humvees attacking trenches. Looks like Ukraine is keep pushing.
Don’t pay attention to orcish propaganda, there’s no winning without casualties.
Glory to Ukraine

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[shonima]

On twitter there are a lot of russian trolls and aso disingenious posters who claim to be on the Ukrainian side stating their "dissapointment" on Ukrainian losses and recirculating the destroyed armor pics, then from their twitter couch putting the tactics in doubt.

This was expected, that is the reason the Ukrainians called for silence. Fake Ukrainian supporters talk about offensives taking place, that in fact might not be taking place, or extremely minor in their amplitude, only to then send the "bad news". It failed.

I am no military expert by any means, and I just hope the Ukrainians manage their ressources in order to make a sufficient breach in what is a very highly defended front line. There will be tanks lost, soldiers lost, and also a pendulum movement at least at the beginning. Connaisseurs of the battle of France know that the first two days of the German troops in the Ardennes were by no means a walk in the park...but then we also know what happened.

Slava Ukraini!

I still don’t think it’s full scale counteroffensive. More like prelude

 

[profyler]

I still don’t think it’s full scale counteroffensive. More like prelude

We don't even know if there is going to be a full scale counteroffensive...

 

[Musashi]

I still don’t think it’s full scale counteroffensive. More like prelude

Two things are strange there:
- why did the Ukrainians decide to attack the best RuZZian units in the best prepared terrain?
- why did they sacrifice the best available vehicles that are Leopard 2A6s and M2A2 Bradleys?

 

[shonima]

Two things are strange there:
- why did the Ukrainians decide to attack the best RuZZian units in the best prepared terrain?
- why did they sacrifice the best available vehicles that are Leopard 2A6s and M2A2 Bradleys?

I have exactly the same questions. Sometimes Ukraine is making russian-style mistake. They could’ve used 2A4 or even t64/72/80… but in that case they would’ve lost tank crew. They made also big a big mistake with Iris-T radar couple days ago. Reported losses are 13(!) Bradleys and 2 Leos.