Politics Riots in Kazakhstan - jan 2022

[Иван Феоктистов]

Almaty, today.

 

[morris]

Rich cleptocrats do not share their (energy) wealth with the populace. Lots of corruption do the rest.

Oil companies have no problems with that.

Foreign Oil Companies in Kazakhstan

• Tengiz (& Korolev) is being developed by Chevron, ExxonMobil, KazMunaiGaz and LukArco (Lukoil and BP).
• Kashagan is being developed by KazMunaiGaz, Eni, ExxonMobil, Shell, Total, CNPC and Inpex.
• Karachaganak is being developed by BG, Eni, Chevron, Lukoil, KazMunaiGaz.

 

[morris]

and your concrete source for such a claim is what exactly??

Do MI6, CIA etc produce concrete?

 

[Picanha]

Oil companies have no problems with that.

Foreign Oil Companies in Kazakhstan

• Tengiz (& Korolev) is being developed by Chevron, ExxonMobil, KazMunaiGaz and LukArco (Lukoil and BP).
• Kashagan is being developed by KazMunaiGaz, Eni, ExxonMobil, Shell, Total, CNPC and Inpex.
• Karachaganak is being developed by BG, Eni, Chevron, Lukoil, KazMunaiGaz.

Thats too easy. How does Norway manage that?

Or Dubai?

Every Nation controls their wealth (or should) certainly you need foreign expertise but you can set your own rules.

Its not the main (- they have some responsibility though) fault of the extractors and retailers.

Maybe its really more of a lack of a functioning civil society and dysfunctional political landscape.

Just look at Nigeria. The population is left to rot in dirty oil sumps while the cleptocrats keep everything and outsource everything for an easy Lifestyle.

I see many more uprisings to come, unless they all shut down the internet like China does. And start oppression 1984 Style.

Or a change of mind occurs in giving some freedom, care and a say to the populations affected.

Paternalistic governance is an inherent failure in the modern world, just waiting for implosion to come.

It's conceptually wrong.

 

[morris]

Thats too easy.

They still have early feudalism in Kazakhstan where population loyalty is not with the nation but with tribe and its aristocracy.
The concept about all nations are the same is wrong and it was proven many times long ago and recently.

 

[1645556315]

You speak so confidently about it. Do you really need this war? The Ukrainian authorities play too much at the fascists, but for us, ordinary people, what to share with other ordinary people? This war, like any war now, can only be beneficial to moneybags.

I do not expect full-scale war and hope there will be some missile\air raids and all these stuff.

 

[1645556315]

I would guess the problem in these states is always the same. Rich cleptocrats do not share their (energy) wealth with the populace. Lots of corruption do the rest.


Anyway pretty sad that countries being so resources rich are totally incapable of setting up stable structures.

You can not treat the population like S**t forever.

I can't believe you trying to push these "peaceful protesters" crap again.
Kazakhstan is the most developed central asian state (they actually quite close to Russia, most rich post-soviet state, except for baltic states).

I see stark resemblance with other country that was ruined by Western-supported "protest". One of the most developed country in the Northern Africa - Lybia. That "revolution" worked very well for them, for sure.
Not this time m-fuckers. You failed in Syria, failed in Venezuela, failed in Belarus, failed in A-stan and you will fail in K-stan.

 

[1645556315]

I see many more uprisings to come, unless they all shut down the internet like China does. And start oppression 1984 Style.
Or a change of mind occurs in giving some freedom, care and a say to the populations affected.

Yeah, just today is the one year anniversary of The great USA uprising.
However, i can't see any freedom were given for the people. They thrown to the jails and some of them escaped in free countries. And some witnesses suddenly commited suicide. And leaders of the protests was banned from any internet resources and media.

 

[Иван Феоктистов]

I can't believe you trying to push these "peaceful protesters" crap again.
Kazakhstan is the most developed central asian state (they actually quite close to Russia, most rich post-soviet state, except for baltic states).

I see stark resemblance with other country that was ruined by Western-supported "protest". One of the most developed country in the Northern Africa - Lybia. That "revolution" worked very well for them, for sure.
Not this time m-fuckers. You failed in Syria, failed in Venezuela, failed in Belarus, failed in A-stan and you will fail in K-stan.

"Кто "Вы" то? Я один здесь!" ?
Блин, я правда не удержался.

It seems to me that all those present should maintain a high level of discussion and not resort to direct accusations of foreign countries. This always leads to abuse. Let's stay friends with a common hobby. After all, each of us here represents our own country.

 

[Redav]

I find the outrage that some posters display when people protest against oppressive regimes fascinating.

Judging by the worldwide reactions to the pandemic i assume most of the population enjoy a good dictatorship

 

[Devil Child]

It seems to me that all those present should maintain a high level of discussion and not resort to direct accusations of foreign countries. This always leads to abuse. Let's stay friends with a common hobby. After all, each of us here represents our own country.

Wise words, everyone read this and calm down.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

I can't believe you trying to push these "peaceful protesters" crap again.
Kazakhstan is the most developed central asian state (they actually quite close to Russia, most rich post-soviet state, except for baltic states).

I see stark resemblance with other country that was ruined by Western-supported "protest". One of the most developed country in the Northern Africa - Lybia. That "revolution" worked very well for them, for sure.
Not this time m-fuckers. You failed in Syria, failed in Venezuela, failed in Belarus, failed in A-stan and you will fail in K-stan.

What would/could suggest the unrest in K-stan implicate Western intervention though?

Let's take, for instance, what happened to Ukraine. We can easily rationalize how and why the situation became what it became, be it from European pov, US pov, Russia pov: ethnicity, energy, EU membership, NATO membership, Ukraine being a buffer zone between "The West" and Russia, reforms, etc...
We can make sense of what happened due to a fairly long and extensive Europe/West-Ukraine-Russia History.

But what about K-stan?
Apart from an increase in energy prices, what could have been the reason for such violence to brutally erupt?

I guess, an hypothesis could be: let's start something in K-stan, right at Russia's door in order to relieve the Ukrainian/Belorussian front.
But while the Ukrainian/Belorussian situation is right in between Europe and Russia, the Kazak theater is, so to speak, fairly remote and surrounded by countries with, so to speak, still fairly strong ties with Russia.

To me the "unrest triggered and started by Western agents" does not make much sense at the moment, considering what we factually know happened.

 

[Picanha]

I can't believe you trying to push these "peaceful protesters" crap again.
Kazakhstan is the most developed central asian state (they actually quite close to Russia, most rich post-soviet state, except for baltic states).

I see stark resemblance with other country that was ruined by Western-supported "protest". One of the most developed country in the Northern Africa - Lybia. That "revolution" worked very well for them, for sure.
Not this time m-fuckers. You failed in Syria, failed in Venezuela, failed in Belarus, failed in A-stan and you will fail in K-stan.

Did I mention peacuful protesters in any way?

Only if you always assume a "CIA Coup".

But come on thats kind of too much credit for the CIA.

These entities manage it very well on their own to fall apart.

The state of Kazakhstan is not in great shape either.

 

[1645556315]

To me the "unrest triggered and started by Western agents" does not make much sense at the moment, considering what we factually know happened.

Of couse there are very complex situation and Kazakhs has many internal issues and difficulties political and economical.
Most protesters are poor people, 99% of them are young males, kazakh ethnicity, many of them criminals. Lots of them joined "protests" just to loot stores and beat police (why not, acab). See BLM protests.

However. Inital reason (car fuel prices) was very minor - gas prices are lower then in any neigbohur countries and salaries are higher (except for Russia). After inital protests government resigned and every protester demands were resolved. But riots are became even more agressive.
Like in Belorussia, riots controlled and coordinated by internet resources and also western NCO (stupid Kazakh government do not even learn the Russian\Ukrainian\Belorussian lessons and not shut down all of them). There is a lot of same instructions in social media and also same propaganda posts just from the classical color book revolution playbook, they sometimes copy-pasted posts with some Belorussian content and it is just ridiculous. Do not want post this crap here.

Also, protest started just in time for US, though it can be just unbelievable coincidence of couse.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

I wouldn't give much credit to CIA either, or for some kind of elaborate ploy by the US for that matter.

If one thing is certain, it is that the US foreign policy is so inept it is currently unable to come up with anything remotely as complex as that.
Sure, the "fall of K-stan" (if it ever happened) would/could trigger a domino effect in the region and neighboring countries.
But considering the current US administration? Biden being a senile and demented puppet? Harris being a diversity hire? Blinken & co too busy focusing on representation within their various governmental agencies?

Nah.

 

[morris]

What would/could suggest the unrest in K-stan implicate Western intervention though?

The Western politicians made too many threats against Russia lately, besides "colour revolutions" and destabilization is well known Western mode of operation so there is no surprise about Russian reaction.
Anyway the future will tell, that is if we survive double threat of another Great Pandemic and another Great War.

BTW, to me the Russian claim about Western interference in Kstan is just as credible as Western intels claims about Russian invasion of Ukraine and interfirence in US and others elections.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Also, protest started just in time for US, though it can be just unbelievable coincidence of couse.

One could see a coincidence, yes.

But what kind? And how would that favor the US?
From an internal policy pov, midterms are coming and Americans have more pressing issues and concerns than what is taking place in K-stan. Hell, a vast proportion probably don't know K-stan exist and/or even care to begin with.
From a foreign policy pov? Surely it could give the US kind of a pretext to renew its relevancy on the world and diplomatic scene, but again, why would they care about K-stan? And/or what would make them think they could do anything for K-stan after the avalanche of debacles the Biden admin went through in less than a year? Debacles that took place in countries the US, and its allies, had been intensively involved for the past years/decades (which would contrast with K-stan where the US never had any, or barely at best, involvement)?

 

[1645556315]

From a foreign policy pov?

US whined about Russian army "buildup on the Ukr border" for months and just several days later there will be US-Russia, NATO-Russia negotiations about European security in general and Ukraine as a part of it.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Just several days later there will be US-Russia, NATO-Russia negotiations about European security in general and Ukraine as a part of it.

I guess US/NATO could use, or exploit, the situation in K-stan as a sort of indirect leverage against Russia.

 

[morris]

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I guess US/NATO could use, or exploit, the situation in K-stan as a sort of indirect leverage against Russia.

And China.

Russian investment in Kazakhstan in 2016 was just over US$12 billion, whereas Chinese investment, according to official data, exceeded US$20 billion. Unofficial figures of Chinese investment ranged from US$55 billion to US$80 billion...