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Kinda quiet tonight. Wish I had a signal or hotspot to talk/facetime to the family & wish them good night. Instead listen to some music, ponder what's going on, talk to God off & on, pray some & fight to not break coms & talk to my buddies.....
Six US B-2A Spirit strategic bombers struck Iranian nuclear facilities in Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan. The strike used 12 GBU-57A/B bunker buster bombs. Thirty BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from submarines at a range of 600 km were also used. It is worth noting that Iran's nuclear facilities are located underground, at a depth of up to 90 meters, and it is quite difficult to destroy them. According to Iranian media, the facilities were not damaged. The GBU-57A/B bunker buster bomb was developed in the United States and weighs over 13.5 tons, is 6 meters long, and has a diameter of about 80 centimeters. The bomb contains almost 2.5 tons of explosives and is designed to destroy underground targets at a depth of up to 60 meters.
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It was an intelligence vessel not a fishing vessel.....continued launching of ballistic missiles into Israel could piss off the wrong folks. Take your medicine, stand down, learn your lesson & live out your peoples lives in peace.
Iran used medium-range ballistic missiles Kheibar Shekan for the first time in a morning attack on Israel on June 22. The Kheibar missile is 11.4 meters long, weighs 6.3 tons, has a warhead of up to 550 kg, and has a range of up to 2,000 km. 30 missiles, including other types, were fired at the cities of Tel Aviv and Haifa. According to media reports, some of the missiles were shot down by air defense systems of Israel, the United States, and other countries. Iran did not report the targets it struck, but judging by the destruction, many objects were hit by the missiles. According to Israeli media reports, there are wounded and dead.
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Crunch time, gentlemen.
Iran is hurt, and has resorted to the last weapon in their arsenal : closing the Strait of Ormuz. Needless to say, as their oil too transits through the Strait as well, it is extremely self-damaging...
It is also self-damaging in the sense that closing the Strait will antagonize a lot of powers : the Gulf Monarchies and the West, for which they couldn't care less, but also their good friend China (this could too create tensions with Russia, who will be a clear winner when oil prices go up... interesting times, as our Chinese friends are used to saying). In the end, this cannot last too long as everybody will be looking away, whatever they previously said, when Iran gets clobbered.
So, can Iran really do it? My bet and hopes are for a Praying Mantis 2.0, but playing devil's advocate, I'll say we'll see how good Iran's - and the so-called Global South's - anti-ship missiles are. They couldn't hope for a better site for a confrontation, given the Strait's restricted waters. If they fail - and free-roaming western warplanes in the region are a good hint it's likely - then we can hope to see Western interests supported for the next few decades.
Iran is hurt, and has resorted to the last weapon in their arsenal : closing the Strait of Ormuz. Needless to say, as their oil too transits through the Strait as well, it is extremely self-damaging...
It is also self-damaging in the sense that closing the Strait will antagonize a lot of powers : the Gulf Monarchies and the West, for which they couldn't care less, but also their good friend China (this could too create tensions with Russia, who will be a clear winner when oil prices go up... interesting times, as our Chinese friends are used to saying). In the end, this cannot last too long as everybody will be looking away, whatever they previously said, when Iran gets clobbered.
So, can Iran really do it? My bet and hopes are for a Praying Mantis 2.0, but playing devil's advocate, I'll say we'll see how good Iran's - and the so-called Global South's - anti-ship missiles are. They couldn't hope for a better site for a confrontation, given the Strait's restricted waters. If they fail - and free-roaming western warplanes in the region are a good hint it's likely - then we can hope to see Western interests supported for the next few decades.
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Yeah the problem with the Iranian conventional warplans are the assumption that Iranian AD can protect their ballistic missile sites, AShM launchers, raiding craft and weapons factories. Given the performance of Russian, Chinese and Iranian AD systems in recent years against western airpower this was a foolish plan.
The AD's been taken apart by Israel, never mind if Iran drags the US into this and the amount of aircraft over Iran at any one time goes from 60 to 200+.
Israel may hope for regime change, but the aim of the operation and realistic outcome has been to de-fang Iran which is well on it's way.
Unless China does mass deliveries after the fighting stops and rebuild their military industry it will take Iran on their own upwards of a decade to somewhat recover.
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China helping may be less easy than it seems, as Iran is a major provider of energy for China...
This. We already have some elements to chew upon regarding the comparative performances of combat systems. Western air dominance is not as degraded as the "Global South" was pretending...
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They also supposedly weren't going to shoot russian ships, yet they did.
Yokels will shoot at anything that moves.
The Israeli Air Force has released footage of strikes on Iranian ballistic missile launchers. All Israeli aircraft, F-35I, F-16I and American-made F-15I are used in the strikes. The type of missiles used by the Israeli air force is not reported. Judging by the video, strikes were carried out on all types of Iranian missiles, including Qadr-H, Fateh-110, Fateh-313, Qassem and other types. It is worth noting that some missile strikes are simply shown from different angles. The question is often asked where Iran's air defense is. According to open data and judging by what is shown, Iran's air defense was disabled at the beginning of the war. This is the result of Israeli intelligence work. Drones launched by Iranian residents, including Afghans in Iran, were used to destroy the air defense. Also, Iranian residents, Afghans and sabotage groups deployed remotely controlled Spike ATGMs. It is currently unknown how many and what kind of air defense Iran has. Iran has several S-300 air defense batteries, an export variant, but these are early modifications from the 1980s. It has not been confirmed that it was destroyed. Rumors about Iran having S-400 air defense systems have not been confirmed. Russia has previously offered Iran joint air defense development projects, but this never took off.
Live: Trump calls Iran strikes on US base in Qatar 'very weak', thanks Tehran for ‘early notice’
They budgeted 14. 13 arrived for the display.
They budgeted 14. 13 arrived for the display.
Iran attacked the US military base Al-Udeid in Qatar with Ghadr-H ballistic missiles, the operation was called "Good News of Victory". It is worth noting that the US was warned about the missile attack by Iran, this was reported in Washington. The Qatari Ministry of Defense stated that air defense systems successfully repelled the missile attack on the Al-Udeid air base in Doha. Qatar used the Patriot and THAAD air defense systems of American manufacture to repel the attack, you can see their work in the video.
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