Mil News Current Iran/Iraq/US Tensions and Actions Unfolding

[BravoZulu]

To be honest, USA and it's allies (us) being in bed and all cosy with KSA sickens me. I have no love for Iran either but they are just playing the normal game in the ME.

As far as I am concerned get the hell out of the ME and let them continue their tribal wars amongst themselves. That region will never make sense to the rest of the world and the internecine warfare/politics will continue ad nauseum whatever way the US, Western Europe, Russia etc try to direct it.

There is no solution to the ME.

 

[Dercius]

x2 Bravozulu

If US is going to bomb Iran, I vote for the operation to be codenamed as "Operation Khashoggi"
After all it will make the same sense as we going all in for the House of Saud for the n-time.
Schizophrenia FTW!!!111!!!

 

[BCNTM]

Saudi oil attacks: Drones and missiles launched from Iran - US

Drones and missiles that targeted oil facilities were fired from southern Iran, US officials say.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

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Iran is the obvious culprit and should receive just desserts, but the Saudis are woefully incompetent in pretty much any military and tactical application.

 

[Fluff]

x2 Bravozulu

If US is going to bomb Iran, I vote for the operation to be codenamed as "Operation Khashoggi"
After all it will make the same sense as we going all in for the House of Saud for the n-time.
Schizophrenia FTW!!!111!!!

I'm 100% with you for the first line.

After that your br..ki.g up ov.r

 

[Fluff]

To be honest, USA and it's allies (us) being in bed and all cosy with KSA sickens me. I have no love for Iran either but they are just playing the normal game in the ME.

As far as I am concerned get the hell out of the ME and let them continue their tribal wars amongst themselves. That region will never make sense to the rest of the world and the internecine warfare/politics will continue ad nauseum whatever way the US, Western Europe, Russia etc try to direct it.

There is no solution to the ME.

Uptill now I guess we were all dependent on the oil, so we had a real interest. With electrification of cars etc really gaining pace, fracking in the US(And UK could if pushed do the same) are we seeing a change in stance?

No Solution - I agree, who could even get their head round who hates who the most/least, you have nations(Lebanon) as the base for a more powerful 'army than the nations own army, so they are allowed to fight with Israel, who then cause casualties for non hezbollah lebanese. Syria, Iraq, Kurds, yaddah yaddah......

Israel, Palestinians etc etc.

No wonder we let the strongmen rule for so long, it was just easier. Plus we have the cold war, so you were either on one side or the other, and you got an AK or an M16 accordingly, to go shoot your neighbours with.

But back to this one, I dont see the need for a large response, a single night of work would cause enough material loss to Iran that it might actually take notice. I dont think many people would call it unreasonable(except maybe the Iranians). Even if unclaimed everyone would know who did it, hell maybe the Earth Liberation Front did it.

 

[BCNTM]

But back to this one, I dont see the need for a large response, a single night of work would cause enough material loss to Iran that it might actually take notice. I dont think many people would call it unreasonable(except maybe the Iranians). Even if unclaimed everyone would know who did it, hell maybe the Earth Liberation Front did it.

problem you have there is Iran thinks it can deal with the US - and they are stupid enough to try. I don't see it being one night it will be a few weeks until they realize they have bitten off more than they chew

 

[Fluff]

problem you have there is Iran thinks it can deal with the US - and they are stupid enough to try. I don't see it being one night it will be a few weeks until they realize they have bitten off more than they chew

I think I posted earlier, that Iran believes Iran can beat the US.

I think Trump is a negotiator, he doesnt want the cost of a long/hard war, he wants a negotiation, and I think he believes in the win-win, but right now Iran has been naughty and needs a slap. I'm betting on a few days to plan, and one night of chaos. If Iran then chooses to retaliate, then that could be a different situation. I'm ordering in popcorn...….

 

[Ivan le Fou]

U.S. intel shows cruise missiles fired at Saudi oil facility came from Iran, officials say

The Department of Defense has advocated for restraint, but it has provided a briefing on military options to President Donald Trump.

www.nbcnews.com

Hopefully these "proof" will be more compelling than the ones used to justify the invasion of Iraq.

 

[Fluff]

U.S. intel shows cruise missiles fired at Saudi oil facility came from Iran, officials say

The Department of Defense has advocated for restraint, but it has provided a briefing on military options to President Donald Trump.

www.nbcnews.com

Hopefully these "proof" will be more compelling than the ones used to justify the invasion of Iraq.

How much proof would you like with your lettuce?

 

[Jake84]

To be honest, USA and it's allies (us) being in bed and all cosy with KSA sickens me. I have no love for Iran either but they are just playing the normal game in the ME.

As far as I am concerned get the hell out of the ME and let them continue their tribal wars amongst themselves. That region will never make sense to the rest of the world and the internecine warfare/politics will continue ad nauseum whatever way the US, Western Europe, Russia etc try to direct it.

There is no solution to the ME.

Agree with your conclusion, although Trump did mention that he could end the Afghanistan war in a single day but didn’t want to kill 10M people, which makes sense.

At this point you’ve got to wonder what to do with the “Sand Box” nuke the hell out of it until they all settle down, or get the hell out of there and let them cut throat each others until they are done with it.

I actually prefer the second solution.

 

[Mordoror]

How much proof would you like with your lettuce?

More than the testimony of the daughter of a kuweiti ambassador speaking about baby incubators.
More than files speaking of nigerian uranium bought by Irak.
More than WMDs in Irak.
More than a anthrax vial and powerpoint shown at the UN
More than "i have proofs that Bashar used sarin but i wont show you"
More than tankers blown, it is Iran...

Basically something credible. Not the fault of the audience if some actors including the "good guys" have lost all credibility in the past years.
And i am not even holding my breath about saoudi proofs transmitted to USA.
They are worth the "a journalist, what journalist"
Now realisticaly, of course the cruise missiles or cruise missile parts come from Iran. But as long it is not proven it was ordered or fired by iranian military or paramilitary, any excessive reaction would be stupid.
For now, denial of official involvment is on iranian side.
For what we know could be as well north korea provided missiles (half joking)

 

[Fluff]

Agree with your conclusion, although Trump did mention that he could end the Afghanistan war in a single day but didn’t want to kill 10M people, which makes sense.

At this point you’ve got to wonder what to do with the “Sand Box” nuke the hell out of it until they all settle down, or get the hell out of there and let them cut throat each others until they are done with it.

I actually prefer the second solution.

Option 2 please.

Option 1 need to wait for Musk to get his harems established...

 

[Mordoror]

Saudi oil attacks: Drones and missiles launched from Iran - US

Drones and missiles that targeted oil facilities were fired from southern Iran, US officials say.

www.bbc.co.uk

3 days to find from where the missiles came...
Not intercepted because saoudi air defence was turned south....

Seriously you cant make this thing up
It is comedy gold

 

[Jake84]

3 days to find from where the missiles came...
Not intercepted because saoudi air defence was turned south....

Seriously you cant make this thing up
It is comedy gold

I could probably put on my tin foil hat and just say that the Saudis bombed/sabotaged their own oil facilities, so that Iran gets accused and eventually seriously ass-kicked by the US.

Sounds ridiculous, I know. All of this is very hollow nonetheless.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

That would have made more sense earlier in the conflict, imho.

But now that Iran is capturing tankers left and right without any repercussion, promising not to deliver oil to Syria but then doing it anyway, getting invited to big summits, getting "support" from Macron, getting over their nuclear quota (or whatever that thing was), etc... Add to that what they also did under Obama, I wouldn't be surprised if they got the impression they can do whatever they want without any serious consequences.

 

[Mordoror]

I could probably put on my tin foil hat and just say that the Saudis bombed/sabotaged their own oil facilities, so that Iran gets accused and eventually seriously ass-kicked by the US.

Sounds ridiculous, I know. All of this is very hollow nonetheless.

To be honest and given how some states are pushing for a war with Iran i am not even sure that a false flag is to be discarded.

Occam razor says however that the missiles are from iranian origin, probably fired from inside Irak (seriously 1000 km range ordnance cannot even reach the target if fired from Iran) and that KSA is doing all the possible mediatic stunt to damage controle its humiliation.
Now the million dollar (or rather tons of RDX) worth questions are:
-action approved by iranian political/military apparatus?
-action approved by only a frange of hardcore members of the revolution council?
-action performed by militias on their own decision?

The political message conveyed is not the same and the answer should not be the same.

 

[Fluff]

To be honest and given how some states are pushing for a war with Iran i am not even sure that a false flag is to be discarded.

Occam razor says however that the missiles are from iranian origin, probably fired from inside Irak (seriously 1000 km range ordnance cannot even reach the target if fired from Iran) and that KSA is doing all the possible mediatic stunt to damage controle its humiliation.
Now the million dollar (or rather tons of RDX) worth questions are:
-action approved by iranian political/military apparatus?
-action approved by only a frange of hardcore members of the revolution council?
-action performed by militias on their own decision?

The political message conveyed is not the same and the answer should not be the same.

Options:
1-Completely false flag - country against Iran
2- Iranian missiles, but given to Houthi or similar, but fired from Iran or Iraq
3- Iranian missiles, fired by Iranians, spotted by Iranian Drones

Options 2 and 3 are the same, dont give missiles to people, and train them to co-ord with Drones, and somewhere to practice, until they are pretty good, without taking the responsibility for their actions.

Option 1 - sooo someone got into your secret underground missile factory, and stole 20 complete, armed missiles, transported them out of your country, into another country, which BTW hates you, set them up and fired.
If you were going to false flag it, they would have actually been drones attacking, not missiles. I may have missed it, but other than saying the Houthi did it, the Iranians havent denied it was their missiles have they?

If it looks like a ? , swims like a ?, and quacks like a ?, then its a ?

 

[Mordoror]

Options:
1-Completely false flag - country against Iran
2- Iranian missiles, but given to Houthi or similar, but fired from Iran or Iraq
3- Iranian missiles, fired by Iranians, spotted by Iranian Drones

Options 2 and 3 are the same, dont give missiles to people, and train them to co-ord with Drones, and somewhere to practice, until they are pretty good, without taking the responsibility for their actions.

Option 1 - sooo someone got into your secret underground missile factory, and stole 20 complete, armed missiles, transported them out of your country, into another country, which BTW hates you, set them up and fired.
If you were going to false flag it, they would have actually been drones attacking, not missiles. I may have missed it, but other than saying the Houthi did it, the Iranians havent denied it was their missiles have they?

If it looks like a ? , swims like a?, and quacks like a ?, then its a ?

Option 2 and 3 are not the same. Maybe in anglosaxon simplified world. But in reality, weapons providers to third party are rarely concerned where their weapons end and are rarely accountable for such
few examples : chinese and pakistan rockets killing ISAF troops doesn't mean we have to bomb China and Pakistan

Israeli and US ammo killing russian troops in Georgia in 2008 didn't triggered a bombing as retaliation

German, swiss, singaporean, israeli, czech, russian military hardware that killed, hurt or damaged western military and military equipment in the Balkans didn't meant that issueing countries were responsible (even if they provided the hardware and trained various militias to use them).

Houthis are also firing russian provided and north korea provided ordnance and yet, i don't think that anybody is thinking about bombing the aforementioned countries.

It is just a easy excuse against Iran which would make it an exception. As long as it is not proven they were fired from Iranian territory by members of Iranian armed forces (or from Iraki territory by members of Iranian armed forces or under direct line of command from Iranian armed forces decision desks), any open action against Iran will be like if you put on the electric chair somebody you have conjecture of culpability for a crime but not a proof.

Now concerning the false flag, there is nothing difficult to set a few HEAT charges on the target and show captured hulks of a missile that could have been seized elsewhere. Junks from missiles falling in KSA are not missing. I am not saying it is the case. But a column of 20 trucks leaving Iran getting in position in Irak and firing 20 cruise missiles reaching a target 200 km inside KSA border without getting noticed at all in one of the most overwatched area of the world is also excellent novel material.

And it means that
- iranian backed forces are more professional that expected or iranian advisors are good
- KSA, UAE, Qatar, Kuweit AND Western air defences and C&C in the area are to be revised

 

[Ivan le Fou]

U.S. Satellites Detected Iran Readying Weapons Ahead Of Saudi Strike, Officials Say

Pentagon officials tell NPR that U.S. intelligence regards the activity as "circumstantial evidence" that Iran launched the strike from its own soil.

www.npr.org