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Needless to say, this defective is getting quite some flak for this one especially in Germany ?? where the Jewish community and “Greens” are disowning the guy.

And he’s actually one of the “leader” of this movement... SMH.
 
Yes he's been un-person'd for now. No doubt to return in a year or two's time when we've all forgotten.
 
German murderer wins the right to be forgotten. Old news about his murders violates his rights and his "ability to develop his personality," a court statement says.

 
German murderer wins the right to be forgotten. Old news about his murders violates his rights and his "ability to develop his personality," a court statement says.


I’d actually agree with the court and we had this discussion before on TM, but I see no reasons to have your name and crime on the internet ad vitam if you did your time, redeemed yourself, and believe in some sort of redemption. Perhaps the guy in question is now working and regret what he’s done.

Call me naive but in this case I see no « Wokism » or « World gone mad ».

Again I don’t know this case, but occasionally I like that some courts give Google and its database the finger they deserve.
 
It's not just google though. They've ordered newspapers to purge their archives and so forth.

It's the woke version of un-personing.
 
I’d actually agree with the court and we had this discussion before on TM, but I see no reasons to have your name and crime on the internet ad vitam if you did your time, redeemed yourself, and believe in some sort of redemption. Perhaps the guy in question is now working and regret what he’s done.

Call me naive but in this case I see no « Wokism » or « World gone mad ».

Again I don’t know this case, but occasionally I like that some courts give Google and its database the finger they deserve.
And if you were crewing a boat would you want this to be findeable?
 
British Extinction Rebellion co-founder calls Holocaust just another human "fuckery", suggests Germany should forget about it and focus on climate change instead, calls "climate crisis" and anti-immigration policies another Holocaust "on a far greater scale" ()

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So, in the end, just another fuckery then?
 
It's the woke version of un-personing.
Not really. Vividly remembering the rule of the totalitarian police state, Germany's constitution recognizes (and always has) the right of "informational self-determination" as an integral part of the charta of personality rights – i.e. the right of the individual to deny access to information about their person as they see fit.

For instance, there's never been a real census in this country as the government may only ask for personal data but not forcibly collect it. Believe it or not, only in 1998 did Germany's courts receive the authority to order the wiretapping of a suspect – such is the degree to which people get to protect their data and identity around here.

In my opinion, it's the rare case of a civil liberty almost too broadly defined; but the fact is the court only enforced constitutional principles laid down many decades ago.
 
I think you broke the wheel there, my good Sir.

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"German murderer wins the right to be forgotten. Old news about his murders violates his rights and his "ability to develop his personality," a court statement says."

If it was something simple like parking fines, domestic agro etc..etc.. then I would agree, but this fucktard took the lives of two people, something that should be recorded in public view, I certainly would not want him working for me, or even living near me, what next Pedos and sex-offenders getting their namesremoved from a list to ensure their privicy!!!
 
I’d actually agree with the court and we had this discussion before on TM, but I see no reasons to have your name and crime on the internet ad vitam if you did your time, redeemed yourself, and believe in some sort of redemption. Perhaps the guy in question is now working and regret what he’s done.

Call me naive but in this case I see no « Wokism » or « World gone mad ».

Again I don’t know this case, but occasionally I like that some courts give Google and its database the finger they deserve.
as someone who does a lot of interviewing and appointing staff I want to know if they have murdered someone in the past - we DBS everyone

no redemption in my eyes - ever
 
There is a difference between forgiving and forgetting. Are you entitled to one without the other. That's what it sounds like he is asking for.
 
as someone who does a lot of interviewing and appointing staff I want to know if they have murdered someone in the past - we DBS everyone

no redemption in my eyes - ever

I see things differently, murder and double murder in this case is terrible and if he’s indeed an irredeemable scum, let him in the dust. Otherwise, IDK. It’s hard enough for someone who’s been jailed, whatever the reason to find a job again (assuming he’s now well-intentioned), so.. okay if you’re an employer it’s understandable. I want to know things too, like the woman you have had a date with from Tinder who will ask tons of questions...
 
I see things differently, murder and double murder in this case is terrible and if he’s indeed an irredeemable scum, let him in the dust. Otherwise, IDK. It’s hard enough for someone who’s been jailed, whatever the reason to find a job again (assuming he’s now well-intentioned), so.. okay if you’re an employer it’s understandable. I want to know things too, like the woman you have had a date with from Tinder who will ask tons of questions...
I have a responsibility to the rest of my work force - end of - I have to trust them

If other people want to take a chance and act as a charity then let them get on with it - I have seen plenty of people who have done this only to be shafted over/burnt

We run full background - including social media - blogs - university sites - the whole 9 yards

Compulsory drug testing every three months puts a lot of people off ;)
 
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If other people want to take a chance and act as a charity then let them get on with it - I have seen plenty of people who have done this only to be shafted over/burnt
...

There was a US company I used to order lots of gaming stuff from. They decided in an act of Christian charity to provide employement to a couple of guys who would otherwise have struggled to get jobs - paroled paedophiles. Who proceeded to embezzle the crap out of the company to the point where they had to shut down.
 
Compulsory drug testing every three months puts a lot of people off ;)

Little doubts about that one, especially among the millennial workforce. Alcohol too.

I realize I’m sounding « Christian » in what I’m writing but it’s more a personal stance and thought tbh. I don’t keep the Holy Bible next to my bed, only my iPhone and a glass of water for the night.

Sure, there’s been « screw up » about who people have been hiring. Think about the guy who cut the throats of four fellow cops in the Paris police HQ only a few months ago? Don’t you think he was subject to checks before he started working too?

They ARE necessary and probably prevent dramas but aren’t always reliable...
 
There was a US company I used to order lots of gaming stuff from. They decided in an act of Christian charity to provide employement to a couple of guys who would otherwise have struggled to get jobs - paroled paedophiles. Who proceeded to embezzle the crap out of the company to the point where they had to shut down.
exactly
 
Little doubts about that one, especially among the millennial workforce. Alcohol too.

I realize I’m sounding « Christian » in what I’m writing but it’s more a personal stance and thought tbh. I don’t keep the Holy Bible next to my bed, only my iPhone and a glass of water for the night.

Sure, there’s been « screw up » about who people have been hiring. Think about the guy who cut the throats of four fellow cops in the Paris police HQ only a few months ago? Don’t you think he was subject to checks before he started working too?

They ARE necessary and probably prevent dramas but aren’t always reliable...
But you try to do what you can do to mitigate any potential issues you may have

As for the guy in France all the pointers were there - just no one had the strength to do something about it
 
Well, here's what the law in Germany would tell you: You don't get to ask the applicant sitting opposite to you whether or not they have a criminal history unless the vacant position requires a moral integrity exceeding the ordinary. If you run a kindergarten or a jewellery store, you get to demand a clean slate. If you run a construction company and all you seek to hire is a bricklayer, you don't.

Personally, I don't mind too much. The German corrections system has a reoffending rate of about 40%. Shockingly enough, that's a actually a comparatively good quota I'm told, but it also means six out of ten ex-convicts are just living their lives unobtrusively out there, behaving indistinguishably from the general population.
If these people have paid their due to society, they have a right to become members of society once more.

What worries me is attempts to create public indices of dangerous repeat offenders and pedophiles have repeatedly been struck down.

But it's tough to argue against the cornerstone of all constitutionalist theories: the mere risk of abuse of a basic right doesn't entitle the state to restrict the protection offered by said right.

It's a principle I cannot wholeheartedly argue against only on the grounds that my risk assessment differs from somebody else's.

I'm its beneficiary, too. For example, my only legal protection as a gun owner in this country is the aforementioned right to the development of one's personality (also known as the right to pursue happiness), which protects activities such as hunting or competitive shooting.

A couple of years ago though, the victims of a school shooting campaigned to strike down that protection. Germany's highest court ruled against them, maintaining society needs to live with the possibility that basic rights could be misappropriated.

Notwithstanding there's room for improvement in detail, I'm afraid they're quite right.
 

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