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Wow, if that turns out to be true, that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard of the EU doing.

How do they see that playing out? Absolutely not going to work out well for them. This is like giving Trump a license to do absolutely anything he wants in response. Oh, and forgot about any support at all that was building among Republicans in Congress to try to pull him back. That is over.
 
Tariffs and it's side effects might cause unforeseen increases for the Finnish F-35 procurement.

Of course with tariffs themselves you are just moving money from government pocket to another, but the side effects might be significant.

Huge additional bill for F-35 fighters – No preparation for new risk
The government hedged against exchange rate fluctuations when purchasing fighters, but still huge additional costs are coming. Donald Trump's tariffs also pose a new risk that was not prepared for.

Huge additional bill for F-35 fighters – No preparation for new risk
The government hedged against exchange rate fluctuations when purchasing fighters, but still huge additional costs are coming. Donald Trump's tariffs also pose a new risk that was not prepared for.

F-35 fighters will replace the Air Force's Hornets by the end of 2030. Bo Amstrup
Joakim Kullas
Monday 7 April 2025 at 17:09
The costs of the F-35 fighter jet procurement due to exchange rates are expected to increase by 850 million euros by 2030, says Budget Counsellor Marko Synkkänen from the Ministry of Finance to Iltalehti.

– Yes, the costs will increase from what was previously expected, says Synkkänen.

The reason is the losses due to exchange rate fluctuations. In percentage terms, the costs will increase by approximately 8–9 percent.

– The estimate of exchange rate losses at the end of March compared to the original call for tenders is approximately 850 million euros [by 2030].

In total, the Parliament granted ten billion euros in funding for the fighter jet project in the 2020 and 2021 budgets, excluding index and exchange rate costs. The losses from exchange rate fluctuations will therefore be on top of the total purchase amount.

In 2025, the state budget estimates that the exchange rate losses from fighter procurement will be 150 million euros and the index costs will be 154 million euros. The total costs of the fighter project have been set aside for the current year for just over 1.85 billion euros.

The biggest risk
According to the procurement memorandum dated December 2021, exchange rate fluctuations are the most significant financial risk facing the project.

In December 2021, the Cabinet Committee on Economic Policy made a decision to hedge half of the approximately ten billion euro procurement against exchange rate fluctuations. According to Synkkänen, this was a compromise aimed at reducing the fluctuations related to currency-denominated payments. The arrangement is already exceptional for the state.

– Typically, the state has not previously utilized such an arrangement in its procurements, Synkkänen points out.

Preparing for currency risks has been more typical for companies and it has previously been seen that the state's risk-bearing capacity is greater than that of companies.

So far, the dollar has weakened against other major currencies due to Trump's tariffs.

Donald Trump threatens
Another risk related to fighter jet procurement is Donald Trump's tariffs and the possible counter-tariffs imposed on them. According to Reuters, US Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell has already described the tariffs as higher than expected and warned that Trump's tariffs will accelerate price increases, i.e. inflation.

The tariffs and the resulting inflation could increase the final price of the F-35 fighter jet project.

- It is possible that it [tariffs and inflation] will be reflected in it. I am not going to predict and I have not seen any estimates of what scale it will be. Let's just see what kind of arrangement is reached regarding these tariffs, Synkkänen says.

Synkkänen does not assess whether tariffs or possible inflation pose a greater risk to the increase in the costs of the fighter project.

No preparations were made
However, he admits that the possible costs of tariff risks have not been prepared for.

– In my opinion, there is none when it comes to this aircraft procurement. And I do not recognize any measures that would have been prepared for.

So if tariffs increase prices or inflation increases, the state just has to pump more money into the project?

– That is true.

If the cost development turns out to be higher than expected, according to Synkkänen, it will be directly reflected in the payments arising from the procurement.

– Future governments will also have to assess how it will be coordinated with fiscal policy and other measures.

 
How do they see that playing out?

Blue, already against the tariffs. Aiming the tariffs at people who are wondering/pro tariff to get maximum effect and make them reconsider.

Smart move. Obviously there is some chest beating as a response (including here online), but it's the reality on the ground that matters.

As for allowing Trump to do whatever he wants... He already slapped a 20% tariff without resistance, he already does whatever he wants. Some theoretical support in congress is worth squat.
 
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This is a bit out of my lane, but....

So much happening as I type. Apparently it appears that China is running out of US dollars to protect the Yuan and is now selling it's US Treasury Bills. And who is buying these T bills? Perhaps countries Trump is negotiating with?

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Looks like a feud.

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Go on...nothing to see here.. 🙃

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Wow, if that turns out to be true, that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard of the EU doing.
Four years of Republicans online saying "You voted for this" whenever Democrats we're thinking and/or doing stupid under Biden.

And now the other side gets to say: You voted for this.
 
Eu responding by targeting red states with a bunch of tariffs.

China responding with 84% tariff.

Art of the orange mormon. 😂
 
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Four years of Republicans online saying "You voted for this" whenever Democrats we're thinking and/or doing stupid under Biden.

And now the other side gets to say: You voted for this.
Trump promised to do this for years, and now people are shocked that he's doing this. And yes, this is what everyone voted for.
 
Mr. Wonderful calls for 400% tariffs on China.

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China has $3 trillion in USD reserves and spent a bunch of that yesterday, buying back Yuan to stabilize it's currency. China buys food and oil every day and needs a stable currency. We'll see if they run out of dollars.
 
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2:40 Trump already shot down lowering the barriers. He wants to keep up the barriers, by demanding money for nothing. He knows that no one can agree on these kind of terms. He can then claim that were not reasonable on negotiations and will keep the tariffs. Although in different instances he just wants us to buy US energy. Which is already happening due to sanctions on Russia. And will happen if prices keep being reasonable.

Aim is to decrease trade deficit. This will already be achieved partially by tariffs, by lowering imports. Although it might also lower American exports (due to counter tariffs and the fact that our economies will do worse, and can't afford to buy as much).
 
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Mr. Wonderful calls for 400% tariffs on China.

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He is not wrong on doing business in China.

I've worked on many projects in China and they try to copy everything. In our case they ordered more from us, in facility where they had tried to use copy of our equipment, but couldn't get it to work properly. One day they will, and then there will be no more orders. In these cases we did not manufacture in China, but they will simply measure the ready equipment and make their own drawings.

Public client can also say such things as "Your equipment is so expensive. Just send us all your manufacturing drawings here and we will manufacture it much more cheaply and faster!"
 
China has $3 trillion in USD reserves and spent a bunch of that yesterday, buying back Yuan to stabilize it's currency.
I would wait and look at it in a longer term than just daily winning, Chaz. Eastern mentality, means if an entire generation needs to be sacrificed to win or more importantly not be humiliated, it would be a worthy sacrifice. This is why I'm not so sure Trump or his cohorts have an idea of what they are up against. China still has a population that grew up eating dirt and breathing coal... Americans go nuts if toilet papers run out.
 

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