Politics Tariffs/Trade Wars

[Hiryu2.0]

because a free trade would play very much in the hands of the EU. Americans would love a lower costing Porsche, not the same with Europeans and Fords.

Amerikan prezident, igyi na huj...

 

[skaw]

We can't drive vehicles consuming 15l of fuel on a daily basis.

My father has the smallest BMW 1 series it has 122hp and just takes 4,5l.

We eat your burgers and watch your movies that's what you sell. Everyone sells what he makes best or is demanded the most.

US cars were never popular in Europe.

And the (digital) services which some people (intentionally?) seem to forget. And for which the companies pay a bare minimum of taxes (EU to blame on that one of course)

 

[Hiryu2.0]

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/after-trump-eu-seeks-zero-tariff-india-car-imports-sources-say-2025-04-07/

 

[PEMM]

believe Ford UK (and Germany by the way) didn't pay tariffs that US manufactured cars paid. They paid (pay) based on being made in UK (or Germany) and they still do based on the laws governing those areas.

Very little Ford US based manufacture makes its way into either the EU or UK. The occasional Mustang, very little else. Ford US just doesn't make vehicles that appeal in those markets.

Of course. And it wouldn't make much sense with the smaller production costs, to ship from the US, even wuthout tariffs.

Note that Japanese, Korean, and now Chinese cars, do sell here despite the tariffs.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

EU May Ban US Firms from Public ContractsEU Industry Commissioner Ségournet says banning US companies from EU tenders is a possible response to Trump’s tariff policy.

 

[PEMM]

My father has the smallest BMW 1 series it has 122hp and just takes 4,5l.

Those are fun cars. When I had just learned to drive and was in the army, my father had 1-series with 2l diesel engine. It was fun, as it's rwd. Had double the power of his old Volvo 940, in a small package.

 

[Chazman]

We can't drive vehicles consuming 15l of fuel on a daily basis.

My father has the smallest BMW 1 series it has 122hp and just takes 4,5l.

We eat your burgers and watch your movies that's what you sell. Everyone sells what he makes best or is demanded the most.

US cars were never popular in Europe.

We love your cars here. We buy them by the millions. BMW, MB, VW, Porsche. In fact, the US may be the biggest market for German cars. Some are already made here, I expect more will be.

 

[primer]

EU May Ban US Firms from Public ContractsEU Industry Commissioner Ségournet says banning US companies from EU tenders is a possible response to Trump’s tariff policy.

Typical reminds me of the old EEC, pissy and entilted.. please provide the maths including the VAT that makes the US tariff unfair.

 

[PEMM]

Typical reminds me of the old EEC, pissy and entilted.. please provide the maths including the VAT that makes the US tariff unfair.

Vat is not a tariff, applies to all products, just like sales tax in the US.

Please provide math's that prove US tariffs are fair.

US demanding tributes for sucking at trade is the most entitled thing I have ever heard.

 

[Chazman]

Vat is not a tariff, applies to all products, just like sales tax in the US.

Please provide math's that prove US tariffs are fair.

US demanding tributes for sucking at trade is the most entitled thing I have ever heard.

The US has been sucking at trade for 80 years. Time to rebalance.

 

[primer]

Vat is not a tariff, applies to all products, just like sales tax in the US.

Please provide math's that prove US tariffs are fair.

US demanding tributes for sucking at trade is the most entitled thing I have ever heard.

Before we get into specific item tariffs the EU applies. There is not a federal VAT in the USA. State sales taxes are only 7.5 highest % VAT on EU imports is 15%.
So Trump hits you with 20%? and you start seeing the apocolypse?

 

[PEMM]

There is not a federal VAT in the USA. State sales taxes are only 7.5 highest % VAT on EU imports is 15%.

Which doesn't matter, as these apply to both domestic and imported products.

These are only unfair to the consumer, who loses purchasing power.

 

[primer]

Sneaky indirect tax bro. Its not made in the country. They couldn't go full retard free trade. Likely a subconcious thought among the haze of free trade that one day they would loose their manufacturing to a lower cost country so decided to apply it to externally made goods like the good old EEC days. That plus like Trump sees its revenue that the US republicans can take without creating another horrid tax.

On the US landscape creating a new Tax such as a federal VAT is enough to loose elections most years. An automatic loss for the Republicans. Not so much for the ruminating democrat supporter when it goes to a good cause...bigger govt.

 

[Mark Sman]

Entitled behavior?

Why yes, yes indeed. Th US is entitled to levy tariffs. This is indeed entitled behavior. The US is an independent nation in control of its own laws and regulations.

Believing that other countries get a say in US laws and regulation is also entitlement. It is just an entitlement to their own beliefs of course, not an actual entitlement to have a say in it. It is a false entitlement. They do of course have the right to negotiate.

Whether the tariffs are right or wrong? Whether they are fair, unfair, equal, or equity? This is a whole separate thing to the US being entitled to do this.

 

[PEMM]

Why yes, yes indeed. Th US is entitled to levy tariffs. This is indeed entitled behavior. The US is an independent nation in control of its own laws and regulations.

Trump called us to pay them a tribute. That is entitled, not talking about tariffs. Countries are free to put as much tariff as they want. What mostly annoys me is talk about "reciprocal" tariff / 2, with no proof of it. Just say that you want protectionism, no need to go full Moscow on your communications.

Sneaky indirect tax bro. Its not made in the country. They couldn't go full retard free trade. Likely a subconcious thought among the haze of free trade that one day they would loose their manufacturing to a lower cost country so decided to apply it to externally made goods like the good old EEC days. That plus like Trump sees its revenue that the US republicans can take without creating another horrid tax.

What is sneaky about it. Also there is no EU vat either.

VaT is used to have a kind of Flat rate tax, instead of taxing income. And politicians use it to control people, such as having higher tax on alcohol and tobacco, rather than food.

 

[primer]

Understanding and finding VAT rates VAT is charged on goods that are entering the EU for the first time as an import, from another non-EU country, often referred to as a ‘third country’. VAT rates vary depending on the types of goods involved and the rules of the member state that you are looking to import into. Under the VAT Directive, member states have to apply a coordinated, standard rate of 15% but they are then free to set the final rate above this.

 

[primer]

Even Keir Starmer admits that the free trade dogma has run its course. Successfully gutted the UK once again as India did with cotton mills back few hundred years ago..ahh the forgotten lessons.
Bit like Holland it has these bunds and dykes so it can farm otherwise useless landscape.

 

[PEMM]

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Like it says, these are collected by individual countries, not by EU.

 

[Mark Sman]

Trump called us to pay them a tribute. That is entitled, not talking about tariffs. Countries are free to put as much tariff as they want. What mostly annoys me is talk about "reciprocal" tariff / 2, with no proof of it. Just say that you want protectionism, no need to go full Moscow on your communications.

Tribute vs tariffs? I think I am missing something here. And it might be pretty large.

Is it that the new US tariffs don't equal (or have reciprocity) with the straight tariffs imposed in other places?

If so, then I can't argue with the idea that the US is enacting a form of protectionism. But also with elements of a revenue collection objective that would serve a function similar to VAT and other lower level fees and associated outlays collected in various jurisdictions.

I will say that I believe the 10% floor rate is too high. Not sure there should be any floor rate. If the US is going to have a floor rate one or two percent seems more realistic. It could defray the cost of USCBP, DoC, HS, ICE, ad nauseam agencies that have duties related to import/export that incur cost.

Other than that, set the tariff at whatever the highest final grift that another country charges to do business.

 

[PEMM]

Tribute vs tariffs? I think I am missing something here. And it might be pretty large.

I was only talking about this with that entitlement comment:

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Is it that the new US tariffs don't equal (or have reciprocity) with the straight tariffs imposed in other places?

They can't be equal, because trade deficit was used to calculate the so called tariff imposed by foreign countries to the US. Trade deficits can result from plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with tariffs and barriers. Such as US buying certain type of product from Madagaskar and Madagaskar being dirt poor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/02/business/economy/trump-tariff-rates-calculation.html

Yes, it's nyt, but plenty of parties have released this formula, including Trump admin.

So far we don't have a real idea for overall tariff rates. EU claims it's ~1% overall. But for some products like cars it's 10%.

However we do know that US deficit to EU is around 3%, when services are counted. US is strong on services, while EU exports goods. Different kind of economies.