Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[thelistener]

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[HorniePonie]

Exclusive: Hegseth orders Cyber Command to stand down on Russia planning

The secretary of Defense has ordered U.S. Cyber Command to stand down from all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions, sources tell Recorded Future News.

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This went by as Trump and Zelensky had a meeting. This doesn't sound too good at all.

 

[Musashi]

Turkish military industry is to be de-sh1tlisted:

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[LimaCharles]

China now makes some reasonable kit

You know who's to blame for that right? The USA and the EU.

Where do you think this came from? A really good infrastructure? Using the market as the beta testers for their electronics, kit, and targeting systems? Add to the too much red tape killing our own manufacturing and DEI hiring practices in that sector instead of those by merit and here we are, with sometimes overpriced not well made US kit and better kit more cheaper from the chicoms.

We're at fault for it. Not me, I do my best to avoid purchasing anything that directly develops, arms, equips, the CCP and the PLA. Notice how there's nothing Chinese on my guns? This message brought to you by a made in SK phone.

 

[LimaCharles]

I wasn't suggesting a new POTUS. I was suggesting another top ally country who can help Ukraine militarily and give guarantees that it won't be invaded again. I'm not ONLY criticizing the US. I know Europe F***ed up too but no one from Europe is exchanging pleasantries with Putin and criticizing Zelensky in this totally unproductive non sense way.

Poland would be my choice, people will faint if Germany steps up. France is also another contender.

 

[Fluff]

Poland would be my choice, people will faint if Germany steps up. France is also another contender.

only UK and France, as they both have Nukes, for their own defence. Russia respects strength.

 

[primer]

Is there much point in patrolling Russian side of ceasefire with what we have now. Seems more like next time they assemble get loaded.

 

[PEMM]

only UK and France, as they both have Nukes, for their own defence. Russia respects strength.

And it can't be Poland because they have been meanies with sensible immigration policy.

I think France as EU country would be the choice, easier to represent us others.

EDIT: Our president did not the purpose of the photo op, admiring the ceiling.

 

[Telmar]

I'm sure any deal would require a Korea style DMV. I don't think the particulars have been decided.

There are many unknowns in what a peace deal would look like.

The question is does someone have the capacity or the will to be tough on Russia because we already know all the regions they want.

IMHO Europe does not have the capacity and the USA does not have the will. Hope I'm wrong on both counts

 

[LimaCharles]

And that's your justification for Trump wanting to sell Ukraine to Putin?

Shouldn't the citizens of Ukraine decide how much more war they can bear and whether they are prepared to make any concessions?

Who gives Dump Trump the right to make this decision for Ukraine?

As far as I remember, Zelensky did not ask Trump to conduct surrender negotiations for him.

My heart bleeds for every Ukrainian who is injured or killed in this war, but they did not want this war and did not start it.

And as long as they are willing to continue this war because they are not prepared to endure the terrible consequences of defeat, I will support the Ukrainians as much as I can.

Unfortunately, I'm an old bag with an arse full of diseases, otherwise I would certainly try to support Ukraine more.

And by the way, i NEED a reminder wich terrible things Zelensky has done to call him a dictator...

I've never said that.

Shouldn't Ukraine's suppliers also have a say in since it's our things Ukraine is begging for?

Who thinks using edgeless vitriol with name calling is a valid in discussions? And what gives Ukraine the right to demand things from us without us and our elected president having a say in it?

As far as I too remember, I have not seen Zelensky even try to seek terms or even a ceasefire.

My heart also bleeds for them too but this doesn't mean that my support is black or white with no grey area.

Again, there is such a thing as middle ground. You do you but the your way or the highway approach will never ever work as a whole with the collective.

They took a broken Vietnam vet that was more than likely in a worse shape than you, and put him to work. He probably went out on his terms instead of slowly dying away not on his terms. Talk is cheap, if you're unable because you are unwilling, then you have no right to tell others to fight on.

And by the way, are you trying to be obtuse deliberately? What's Ukraine's term limits as president (it's five)? What year is he now serving (six)? He dissolved the elections and nuked all 11 party opponents, in 2022 he made a law censoring journalists unless it was state approved and combined all news into one station. Show me contrary, your turn now.

 

[Fluff]

Is there much point in patrolling Russian side of ceasefire with what we have now. Seems more like next time they assemble get loaded.

maybe we are just pre-positioning kit to leave to the Ukranians. Not a bad plan. Run some training courses for them.

 

[primer]

The nuclear mines, something to do with hedgehogs. They run out of air and detonate. We can blame them then.

 

[Chazman]

You know the question and the answer is simple "yes or no" Dont act like you forgot the question

You asked and I answered. What else is there? Unless you have a more specific question, which at this point I don't even give a $hit about.

Let me ask you a question, while we are at it. Do you want to see an end to this war? I'm not sure that you do. After all, a continued war in Europe takes the eye off of china.

 

[LimaCharles]

There are many unknowns in what a peace deal would look like.

The question is does someone have the capacity or the will to be tough on Russia because we already know all the regions they want.

IMHO Europe does not have the capacity and the USA does not have the will. Hope I'm wrong on both counts

We done the brunt of GWOT with a bunch of other things since 2001. We're tired and worn out it, man. Can you blame us? And it's Europe's backyard, be nice to have the EU say take a seat USA, we're stepping up now to do our part.

 

[primer]

I've never said that.

Shouldn't Ukraine's suppliers also have a say in since it's our things Ukraine is begging for?

Who thinks using edgeless vitriol with name calling is a valid in discussions? And what gives Ukraine the right to demand things from us without us and our elected president having a say in it?

As far as I too remember, I have not seen Zelensky even try to seek terms or even a ceasefire.

My heart also bleeds for them too but this doesn't mean that my support is black or white with no grey area.

Again, there is such a thing as middle ground. You do you but the your way or the highway approach will never ever work as a whole with the collective.

They took a broken Vietnam vet that was more than likely in a worse shape than you, and put him to work. He probably went out on his terms instead of slowly dying away not on his terms. Talk is cheap, if you're unable because you are unwilling, then you have no right to tell others to fight on.

And by the way, are you trying to be obtuse deliberately? What's Ukraine's term limits as president (it's five)? What year is he now serving (six)? He dissolved the elections and nuked all 11 party opponents, in 2022 he made a law censoring journalists unless it was state approved and combined all news into one station. Show me contrary, your turn now.

All parties agreed to no elections the argument is moot point.

most recently (as of February 2025) been extended for the 14th time until 9 May 2025- in November, all political parties represented in the Verkhovna Rada signed a document in which they agreed to postpone holding any national election until after the end of martial law

 

[profyler]

There are many unknowns in what a peace deal would look like.

The question is does someone have the capacity or the will to be tough on Russia because we already know all the regions they want.

IMHO Europe does not have the capacity and the USA does not have the will. Hope I'm wrong on both counts

Europe has the will but lacks courage. With will you have capacity. There are several companies and military industries in various European countries that neutralize what Russia is capable of producing, not to mention the quality and technology. The big problem is that the EU is sitting around looking at the sky instead of starting to invest and actually helping Ukraine. Something I've been saying since the war started.

And it can't be Poland because they have been meanies with sensible immigration policy.

I think France as EU country would be the choice, easier to represent us others.

EDIT: Our president did not the purpose of the photo op, admiring the ceiling.

Nor France nor Uk not Germany nor Poland. This should be a EU thing (without dumb ass Hungary). Get their S**t together and solve the f-ing problem !

 

[Chazman]

Even now they are giving Trump rimjobs and pressuring Zelensky into doing the same hoping that the US wil continue to fix their problems for them because they really don't want to have to act themselves.

Increased defence and industrial base spending will make many governments currently spending pennies on it and trying to destroy it wildly unpopular. Governments have been elected for decades on the promise of destroying their armed forces to spend the money elsewhere and chasing yuk yuk industry off of the continent. Doing a 180 will be carreer suicide for many as much of the electorate still prioritizes most other expenditures over these.

No one has to give Trump a rimjob. He was pretty clear. He's not interested in the minerals deal if it means no ceasefire and Zelensky drags the US into a war. That was the last word on the matter.

No actually, there was an update. Starmer just said Europe will now have to step up. Great! He also said no peace can happen without US support. So not quite sure where that leaves everyone. So, don't get pissed off at me and call me a Putin sympathizer when you know that's not true. I've shown nothing but support for Ukraine since day number one.

You can blame Trump, you can blame me, you can blame WTF you want. Unless Europe has a plan to invest a couple trillion Euros, ( for starters), in Ukraine and raise an army of several hundred thousand troops overnight, and are willing to use them against Putin, and commit for at least a half century, then everything you are talking about is just a bunch of schoolyard bullsh!t.

 

[PEMM]

Nor France nor Uk not Germany nor Poland. This should be a EU thing (without dumb ass Hungary). Get their S**t together and solve the f-ing problem !

EU processes are too slow and there are all these brake men like Hungary.

So I think EU role will be hosting the meetings but the action needs to happen within or outside EU.

 

[PegAsus]

I've never said that.

Shouldn't Ukraine's suppliers also have a say in since it's our things Ukraine is begging for?

Who thinks using edgeless vitriol with name calling is a valid in discussions? And what gives Ukraine the right to demand things from us without us and our elected president having a say in it?

As far as I too remember, I have not seen Zelensky even try to seek terms or even a ceasefire.

My heart also bleeds for them too but this doesn't mean that my support is black or white with no grey area.

Again, there is such a thing as middle ground. You do you but the your way or the highway approach will never ever work as a whole with the collective.

They took a broken Vietnam vet that was more than likely in a worse shape than you, and put him to work. He probably went out on his terms instead of slowly dying away not on his terms. Talk is cheap, if you're unable because you are unwilling, then you have no right to tell others to fight on.

And by the way, are you trying to be obtuse deliberately? What's Ukraine's term limits as president (it's five)? What year is he now serving (six)? He dissolved the elections and nuked all 11 party opponents, in 2022 he made a law censoring journalists unless it was state approved and combined all news into one station. Show me contrary, your turn now.

Zelensky was elected on the election promise that he would conduct negotiations with Russia for a lasting peace. He has made over 20 agreements with the ruZZians, all of which they have broken, and in the end ruZZia invaded Ukraine.

Who would hold elections under such circumstances? Besides, the Ukrainian parliament has already confirmed him in office several times, most recently with, I think, 268 votes (of 280). Is it usual for a parliament to confirm a dictator in office?

And no, I have no right to force others to fight a war, but I do have the right to say that others are free to decide whether they want to continue fighting or not. And that nobody can decide that but them.

 

[Chazman]

There are many unknowns in what a peace deal would look like.

The question is does someone have the capacity or the will to be tough on Russia because we already know all the regions they want.

IMHO Europe does not have the capacity and the USA does not have the will. Hope I'm wrong on both counts

There is only one person on the planet. And you know exactly who that is, love him or hate him. Or as has been mentioned, Europe can just surrender it all to Xi. That should be pleasant and painless. I'm not sure you guys can post your silly memes then, but everything else should be good.