Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[JimHPTN]

Indeed sadly, logic has no place in this war. Russia looks like it will sit tight, whilst being hit by weapons it cant match. West will slowly move supply to newer and newer systems, as the Ukranians master the tech.

Fortunately, eventually this leads to the russians being destroyed, and the remainder captured or pushed back to the border. Just going to take months.

Sadly then Ukr will need to build a border defense, althought punative raids by Ukr could be the answer to Russian trouble. So as Lavrov said, it will be like Israel and Palestine, only the other way round than he meant.....

I'd say that it ends more like North and South Korea, with a hard, fortified line between them, that is if this doesn't blow up into WW3 with nukes.

 

[Fluff]

Wk450 is the old israeli drone, nearly 20 years old, I think we have ordered replacement.

Exactor is NLOS, so another relatively long range ATGM.

Both Israeli, how about that.

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[Hiryu2.0]

Wk450 is the old israeli drone, nearly 20 years old, I think we have ordered replacement.

Exactor is NLOS, so another relatively long range ATGM.

Both Israeli, how about that.

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Just for the record . So far I have not found anything on the net about this, only about this post.
The drone and the NLOS are Israeli, and the Israeli government, more elegantly but in the same way as the Hungarian one, is doing the peacock dance.

Here nothing take it easy - apparently it is Jerusalem's policy in Ukraine.

But I would send a message that if a hunger riot breaks out in, say, Egypt this year, the Israeli government can forget about the Middle East ceasefire, and Washington will counter it
JAhh, but are the Bennets now more concerned with Russian-born voters? He can think about that when the house burns down...

 

[Hiryu2.0]

New Evidence Shows How Russian Soldiers Executed Men in Bucha

Witness testimony and videos obtained by The New York Times show how Russian paratroopers executed at least eight Ukrainian men in a Kyiv suburb on March 4, a potential war crime.

www.nytimes.com

 

[PegAsus]

Hello everyone, as I was about to leave work today, I heard on the radio that the Ukrainian government had advised the remaining forces at Azovstal to stop fighting and to lay their weapons down. Is that true? I have not found any other sources on this...

 

[RL64RL]

My real military experience is limited to 10 months as field nurse during National Service in French Army
Plenty of military in the (former) JNA (National Yugoslav Army) family members
A deep interest for history, strategy and theatre operations (not so much on tactics, i am not a "such equipment is a wunderwaffen" whereaboo train)
Let's say that i am an heavy reader of doctrinal manuals and that i have the habit to cross check informations from various sources given my real job (which is associate professor in Infectiology)

Interesting (especially the professorship)! Thanks for sharing.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Hello everyone, as I was about to leave work today, I heard on the radio that the Ukrainian government had advised the remaining forces at Azovstal to stop fighting and to lay their weapons down. Is that true? I have not found any other sources on this...

yes.

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[Joukahainen]

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[PegAsus]

yes.

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Thanks for the Info Hiryu. I think they fought long and well under these circumstances. I only hope that they will also be treated as prisoners of war by the Russian side...

 

[PegAsus]

Missile strike in the city of Lozova, Kharkiv region

 

[Hiryu2.0]

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[Mordoror]

Interesting (especially the professorship)! Thanks for sharing.

You are welcome
Why the question, if i may ask ?

 

[Mordoror]

Life ahem Weapon always find a way
(C) Jurassic Park
Or almost

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Iranian mortar seized from the Houthis and given to UKA

 

[pigmode]

Indeed sadly, logic has no place in this war. Russia looks like it will sit tight, whilst being hit by weapons it cant match. West will slowly move supply to newer and newer systems, as the Ukranians master the tech.

Fortunately, eventually this leads to the russians being destroyed, and the remainder captured or pushed back to the border. Just going to take months.

Sadly then Ukr will need to build a border defense, althought punative raids by Ukr could be the answer to Russian trouble. So as Lavrov said, it will be like Israel and Palestine, only the other way round than he meant.....

Up to this point Russia has shown either hesitation or inability to slow down the massive armament train from Poland. M777s have gotten into the field fairly quickly. Still waiting for the PZH 2000 and Leopard 1, the latter presumably with the 120mm smoothbore. These will probably show up in the field soon, and hopefully the Ceasar with them.

Otoh the Ruskie's may very well move into a defensive posture, which could turn into a war of attrition. How far to the rear they need to move to accomplish this remains to be seen. Much depends on whether the UA can consolidate a sizable maneuver force to push the RA past Melitopol, Mariupol, to at least the edge of Crimea. That ability is key. They *may* be setting up for a big push from Kherson, Odesa being a vital link to the sea.

No need to worry much about giving Putin a way out. If you look at the cities and infrastructure the RA has flattened, imo that's enough to declare victory as soon a they can form a hardened defense line.

 

[NebrHogger]

Relating to what Russians hear about the war and why things are so expensive, at a charity event in Krasnodar, people could donate "a few drops of gasoline from the hose" which would be sent to England where "things are quite bad".

Poor Boris!

 

[Mordoror]

Up to this point Russia has shown either hesitation or inability to slow down the massive armament train from Poland. M777s have gotten into the field fairly quickly. Still waiting for the PZH 2000 and Leopard 1, the latter presumably with the 120mm smoothbore. These will probably show up in the field soon, and hopefully the Ceasar with them.

Otoh the Ruskie's may very well move into a defensive posture, which could turn into a war of attrition. How far to the rear they need to move to accomplish this remains to be seen. Much depends on whether the UA can consolidate a sizable maneuver force to push the RA past Melitopol, Mariupol, to at least the edge of Crimea. That ability is key. They *may* be setting up for a big push from Kherson, Odesa being a vital link to the sea.

No need to worry much about giving Putin a way out. If you look at the cities and infrastructure the RA has flattened, imo that's enough to declare victory as soon a they can form a hardened defense line.

There is no such thing as a Leopard 1 with a 120 mm (well there is one prototype discontinued)
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Russians have hit volunteer and foreign equipment depots. But it seems they lack intel to do it on a wider scale and they show indeed pretty shy to hit areas too close to Polish border

The war is already a war of attrition. Maneuver is limited by the urban density, the landscape and the triple layer defence of the ukrainians. Right now (but it can change) it is a tennis game with 122, 152, 155 and 203 mm balls

UKA cannot muster a large maneuvering force. They did it with their 3 armor brigade to see some of their tanks destroyed on the move. They do not control the sky so have any concentration fairly exposed. Any troop concentration for both sides is a target for artillery (and airforce for the russians)

 

[Fluff]

There is no such thing as a Leopard 1 with a 120 mm (well there is one prototype discontinued)
On the rest of the post

Russians have hit volunteer and foreign equipment depots. But it seems they lack intel to do it on a wider scale and they show indeed pretty shy to hit areas too close to Polish border

The war is already a war of attrition. Maneuver is limited by the urban density, the landscape and the triple layer defence of the ukrainians. Right now (but it can change) it is a tennis game with 122, 152, 155 and 203 mm balls

UKA cannot muster a large maneuvering force. They did it with their 3 armor brigade to see some of their tanks destroyed on the move. They do not control the sky so have any concentration fairly exposed. Any troop concentration for both sides is a target for artillery (and airforce for the russians)

I'm assuming this is why UK is sending NLOS, a long range ATGM, which we have only recently purchased. Its 25km range. But yes, it looks like we face some months of reliving the somme. I wonder who will invent 'tanks' to break the deadlock....

 

[JimHPTN]

Life ahem Weapon always find a way
(C) Jurassic Park
Or almost

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Iranian mortar seized from the Houthis and given to UKA

The Chinese Type 56-1 cache almost strikes me as an organized crime cache given the method of finding it and the nature of the arms. Alternatively, it might have been a pre-war cache provided by the Russians for various purposes with plausible deniability.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

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[Connaught Ranger]

" American howitzers paired with Ukrainian KrAZs are already working in the Izyum direction, - Zgurets"

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