Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[primer]

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Trump right again.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

"The ArmyInform correspondent found one of the Russian BMP-3s in the positions of Ukrainian defenders.
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[pigmode]

Exclusive-U.S. aims to arm Ukraine with advanced anti-ship missiles to fight Russian blockade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The White House is working to put advanced anti-ship missiles in the hands of Ukrainian fighters to help defeat Russia's naval blockade, officials said, amid concerns more powerful weapons that could sink Russian warships would intensify the conflict. Ukraine has made no...

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Its still at the levels of fantasy football but one can hope, especially with a new flag ship for the Black Sea Fleet. Would hate to see the capture of an NSM.

Blue Spear: The Missile Israel Won't Give to Ukraine

Israel’s Defense Ministry denied reports that it had agreed to a request from Estonia to send Blue Spear missile systems to Ukraine.

www.19fortyfive.com

Eff.

 

[Fluff]

Again, this is arguing without any precedent. Give me an example to validate such views. If Russia had attacked a EU country idk, let's say in the past 10-20 years and nobody acted in their defense, then I'd probably say, yeah, EU was completely useless without NATO. But just arguing based on personal perceptions and fears, is not enough for me.

People were also completely wrong about German and other EU countries committments in a crisis they weren't obliged to even glance at, about Ukraine, about Russia, their performances, etc. etc. etc. etc. Look were we are now.

I'm not comparing the weight of NATO with EU. Neither am I saying, the EU defense clause was in any way a greater or equal deterrent than NATO. I agree that would be silly. The USA by themselves are a greater military powerhouse than all of EU combined. But at the same time I know and don't buy into opinions about non-existing interoperability and cooperation between EU armies. That is just not the case. Could it be better ? Definitely. Much better. But the same could be said about NATO, which is also not beyond improvements in those areas.

Let's just agree to disagree on that one.

I'm not sure what you are looking for.

EU is not a military organisation, I dont know how far you have to read to get to the EU's military clauses, but I bet its a lot further than NATO's, which is solely a co-operative military organisation.

I think the original question was, if there was no NATO. To which my answer would be, someone would invent NATO.

 

[RL64RL]

This isn't indeed football (although a lot of you make it sounds lke a Hool meeting)
I leave you at your "unbiased" tactical analysis.
I am just saying that the level of amateurism, armchair coaching and self intoxication of urr durr Stronk vs Rustland is amusing on a military board
Your post has the level of thought of a video game player

I ll try to nail a few things a last time

40000 K casualties over a 200 000 active forces + 100 000 reserves is, oh, just a 13% of losses. In a war that is not ended.

No serious counter attack is when you advance in a void (which was the case northern of Karkyiv). Strangely Ukie dont advance much when the russian forces in front on them are not withdrawing. Strange isn't it ? Or maybe advancing in a Flandrers 1916 like X10 battlefield, is a bit more difficult (for both sides) than what belived YT channels show

Ukies screaming for more arty, shells, drones, tanks, SAMs, should ring a bell about the amount of expended hardware

Russia withdrawal ? From Crimea ? better stockpile sunscreen 50000

etc etc

Conclusion : RUA is wasted for sure. UKA is also wasted. One has no means to break through. The other one, no means to push the other out of the country. This is why it ends into a trench warfare with artillery lobbing ordnance heavily each day
But keep your wet dreams of an easy and quick ukrainian victory

Mordoror —I couldn’t find any background on you in the “Introduce Yourself” thread. Thus, I am curious of your background, especially in relation to military matters (e.g., academic studies, service, etc.,) if you are willing to share?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Local sources reporting the UA defenses around Popasnaya are crumbling.

Vikorivka, Trotskiye, Volodymyrovka, Vrybovka and Toshkovka have been retaken by Russia.

Popasnaya was the anchor of the defensive UA structure, and there is no combined arms reserve to react to this exploitation.

 

[bald head & beard]

Local sources reporting the UA defenses around Popasnaya are crumbling.

Vikorivka, Trotskiye, Volodymyrovka, Vrybovka and Toshkovka have been retaken by Russia.

Popasnaya was the anchor of the defensive UA structure, and there is no combined arms reserve to react to this exploitation.

Source?

 

[Gordus]

EU is not a military organisation, I dont know how far you have to read to get to the EU's military clauses, but I bet its a lot further than NATO's, which is solely a co-operative military organisation.

I think the original question was, if there was no NATO. To which my answer would be, someone would invent NATO.

Yes, maybe you have to look a bit further in the EU treaties to reach the collective defense clause, but what actualy matters, is the fact that it's there and the wording could have been literaly anything. But it explicitly writes, the members were to assist in case of armed aggression on the territories of their members, with all means in their power.

Maybe, maybe not. Or simply update and expand the security and defence policies in the EU treaty, or specificaly the defense clause :v Who knows.

 

[pigmode]

Ukrainian Army Form A New Brigade With Donated Tanks and Armored Personnel Carriers - MilitaryLeak.COM

The Ukrainian Army appears to be forming a new mechanized infantry brigade. The brigade is training on mostly donated equipment; ex-Polish T-72M1 tanks,

militaryleak.com

The Ukrainian Army appears to be forming a new mechanized infantry brigade. The brigade is training on mostly donated equipment; ex-Polish T-72M1 tanks, ex-Dutch YPR-765 armored personnel carriers and ex-British and ex-Turkish infantry equipment. It’s rehearsing combined-arms operations mixing tanks, APCs and artillery. And it’s doing it in Kryvyi Rih, just north of Russian-occupied Kherson in southern Ukraine. Kherson with its vital seaport was one of the first Ukrainian cities Russian forces seized after rolling north from occupied Crimea on Feb. 24. Liberating Kherson is a top priority in Kyiv.

 

[bald head & beard]

Strelkov continues with his pessimism.

Igor Strelkov - 19 May Doomdate - JustPaste.it

justpaste.it

 

[Musashi]

Exclusive: U.S. aims to arm Ukraine with advanced anti-ship missiles to fight Russian blockade

The White House is working to put advanced anti-ship missiles in the hands of Ukrainian fighters to help defeat Russia's naval blockade, officials said, amid concerns more powerful weapons that could sink Russian warships would intensify the conflict.

www.reuters.com

 

[Fluff]

Exclusive: U.S. aims to arm Ukraine with advanced anti-ship missiles to fight Russian blockade

The White House is working to put advanced anti-ship missiles in the hands of Ukrainian fighters to help defeat Russia's naval blockade, officials said, amid concerns more powerful weapons that could sink Russian warships would intensify the conflict.

www.reuters.com

Maybe buy them from Iran......who's got Maridanious's number?

 

[RL64RL]

Russia plans to turn Mariupol into a resort town, now that they've destroyed it. I'm certain tourist from all over the world will flock there.


Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, May 18

Kateryna Stepanenko and Karolina Hird

May 18, 6:15 pm ET



Russian occupation authorities announced plans to destroy the Azovstal Steel Plant and turn Mariupol into a resort city, depriving Russia of some of the most important economic benefits it hoped to reap by taking the city in the first place. Head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Denis Pushilin stated that DNR authorities are planning to level Azovstal after completing its capture.[1] Azovstal was a major element of Mariupol’s economy before the war because of its unique function as a full-cycle metallurgical complex, the 10,000 jobs associated with production at the plant, the billions of dollars of foreign exchange earnings and taxes it generated, and its production output of 7,000 tons of steel, 6 million tons of iron, and 4.5 million tons of rolled metal, according to the Mariupol City Council.[2] Pushilin stated that the DNR intends to rebuild Mariupol to be a “resort city,” while admitting that 60% of the structures in Mariupol have been destroyed to the point where they cannot be rebuilt.[3] The announced plan to turn Mariupol into a center of tourism and leisure following the complete destruction of a major center of economic activity in Mariupol, is indicative of the damage that Russian troops have inflicted on themselves through the destruction of Mariupol. Russia does not need another resort town on the Black Sea. It does need the kind of hard currency that a plant like Azovstal had generated. This announcement epitomizes the kind of Pyrrhic victories Russian forces have won in Ukraine, to the extent that they have won victories at all.

This is flat out perverse.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

This is flat out perverse.

Maybe a way to see things, but Russia's plan to level Azovstal and turn the location into a park?

Now that's delusional.

 

[primer]

Germans need steel too.

 

[Minimalist]

Maybe a way to see things, but Russia's plan to level Azovstal and turn the location into a park?

Now that's delusional.

Make a park from the industrial zone. Sorry, but this is a delusional solution. Goodbye port infrastructure, factory and jobs.
They promised the same changes and crowds of tourists in the Crimea (also DPR/LPR). What has changed?

 

[RL64RL]

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I see what you did there ???

 

[pigmode]

This is flat out perverse.

As usual they plan to rewrite history with the typical silly looking heroic Russian statue w/plaque.

 

[thelistener]

De facto NATO membership doesnt change too much on the ground.

and Fins obviously like formal NATO membership, so why not

You do realize that NATO membership is more than a club membership and potential military bases on the ground?

edit. i cannot believe i have to explain how a military alliance differs and changes things compared to an economical union.
sorry if i sound condescending.

Or simply update and expand the security and defence policies in the EU treaty, or specificaly the defense clause :v Who knows.

Why would they since most members are in NATO already? Believe me, Finland has been going around talking about this for the past 8 years to other EU countries and got a pretty much a shrug.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Make a park from the industrial zone. Sorry, but this is a delusional solution. Goodbye port infrastructure, factory and jobs.
They promised the same changes and crowds of tourists in the Crimea (also DPR/LPR). What has changed?

I was more thinking in term of cleaning/decontaminating the zone.

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