Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[Musashi]

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[Chomiq]

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We already have those guarantees as both countries are with us in the EU:

If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States
shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in
accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific
character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Good for you.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Good move firing Kisel. The 1st Tank Army's 2nd Motorized Rifle Division and 4th Tank Division performed very poorly at the beginning of the war and were responsible for many of the abandoned tanks and vehicles.

 

[Musashi]

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[Chomiq]

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You were saying?

It's what they call "creative accounting" for propaganda and what you did was compare apples vs oranges.

 

[BravoZulu]

Australia will send an additional 20 Bushmaster armoured vehicles and 14 M113 armoured personnel carriers to Ukraine, as well as protective equipment for soldiers

 

[Hiryu2.0]

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Azt mondtad?

Ezt hívják "kreatív könyvelésnek" a propagandára, és amit csináltál, az alma és a narancs összehasonlítása volt.

azért megjegyzem, rohadtul nem mindegy a gdp mekkora része kerül offshore számlákra..... v

 

[bald head & beard]

I wonder how the DPR folks now view Russia? The Russians have in fact been using them as cannon fodder. Some have to realize that and wonder why they'd want to join Russia at all. You'd have to think about that, anyway.

What we forget is that a lot of the people there are not just "pro-Russian Ukrainians", but rather ethnic Russians. For example in 2001, ethnic Russians accounted for 51% of the population of Makiivka, 47% of Lugansk city, 48% of Donetsk city (relative majority), 44% of Mariupol, 45% of Horlivka etc.
This is why I don't really understand that DPR/LPR bullshit where many of them seem to think that they are a separate country. From what I see, many people in those places really believe that they are countries which is dumb/naive.

Also, even if they realize that they have been used and played by Moscow they will not change their mind. Too much blood has been spilled just to say well this was not a very smart plan. They crossed the Rubicon and it's really hard for people to acknowledge that they were duped. On top of that, they are high on the Russia stronk mythomania for generations and believe that at the end eventually all this will pay off.

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Bad comparison, as the information you provided is how stronger/weaker the economy is compared to the pre-pandemic levels. What the Russians reported are their Q1 GDP growth rates.
However this also needs to be put into perspective. The Russian central bank expected 3.7% growth with the sanctions imposed, so this is short of what they projected. And keep in mind that 2 out of 3 months in that period were without sanctions and they were in post-pandemic recovery, with huge oil/gas prices.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

India, world's biggest buyer of Russian arms, looks to diversify suppliers

India is looking to domestic firms and eastern European nations for military gear and ammunition, as the world's biggest buyer of Russian arms seeks alternative suppliers at a time when Moscow is fighting a war with Ukraine and facing sanctions.

www.reuters.com

 

[Telmar]

The Russian retired general who was a bit negative in the previous broadcasts has probably been asked to be more positive...especially on the quality of russian weaponry as what is seen on the field is'nt exactly very attractive for potential buyers.

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[pigmode]

India, world's biggest buyer of Russian arms, looks to diversify suppliers

India is looking to domestic firms and eastern European nations for military gear and ammunition, as the world's biggest buyer of Russian arms seeks alternative suppliers at a time when Moscow is fighting a war with Ukraine and facing sanctions.

www.reuters.com

Here we're looking at a nuclear power, that can't even design/produce rifles for its own army. What happened to the tank they produced?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Turkey to reject Sweden and Finland's bid to join NATO

Turkey has told allies that it will reject Sweden and Finland's membership to NATO, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said in a video posted on his Twitter account on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

 

[surfpunk]

I wonder how the DPR folks now view Russia? The Russians have in fact been using them as cannon fodder. Some have to realize that and wonder why they'd want to join Russia at all. You'd have to think about that, anyway.

it must suck to feel like you have legitimate issues, and no one cares or knows about them. not in their own country (russia/ukraine) or in the wider world. To drive to a similar village in the West, with paved streets and decent utilities, back to your own village where the Ukrainian gov does nothing to improve standard of living, and then to be lied to by those who said they would help....

 

[Redav]

Back on track...

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Otherwise...

 

[Chazman]

it must suck to feel like you have legitimate issues, and no one cares or knows about them. not in their own country (russia/ukraine) or in the wider world. To drive to a similar village in the West, with paved streets and decent utilities, back to your own village where the Ukrainian gov does nothing to improve standard of living, and then to be lied to by those who said they would help....

Totally sucks.

 

[Fluff]

That's where it is getting annoying
Ukraine gets a free pass on everything (while the examples of BS they spouted are numerous, even more numerous than russian ones that it fact don't reach us so much)
They shot down hundred of planes and helo, sunk a war ship with MLRS, a couple of others (that are still floating), never surrendered at Snake Island, suffer only low casualties and so on and so on. They are BShitting. As much as the russians. But the point is not if they are BShitting, the point is that people with some experience in the military is buying their BS because it fits their preconceived bias. Look very much like football supporters

The other part is how to change your mind when something doesnt fit the narrative. Now, casualties are not important. While for months you and a bunch of others boasted about the X thousands of other side grunts killed.

Well casualties are indeed not important while they still are
Body count is a BS metrics but it still has its importance to figure out the capabilities of a friendly or OpFor Force
40 000 casualties for the ukrainians versus a supposed 60 to 70 000 for the russians show that the conflict is more disputed than initialy tought
It also gives an hint that both sides are going toward a moment they will lose major offensive capabilities. Which is obviously less problematic for the ukrainians that are mainly on defensive stance except if they want to expel the russians by force

The ukrainians have mobilized, they can pour more men than the russians that are still reluctant to go full warmode.
But, even if some light WIA go back on the front, this is the experienced elements that suffer the most. Combat capabilities get eroded with time because you replace experienced troops with rookies. That goes for both sides of course. The question, in a attrition war, is how much soldiers each side could offer to pour in the blaze and lose.

I think the early focus on Russian losses was because of the terrible tactics, visible in many video;s. Troops standing around, in groups, no guards out, no recon, just driving about getting whacked.

I'd say there are too many variables to know what will happen in terms of troop numbers, russians may 'hide', Ukr may get lots of volunteers as they appear successful, or Russia may mass mobilise, declare war and ship in the T34's......

But no-one can hide from the map, of war aims as the months went on, and now we measure russian 'success' by a single farmers field.

As to experience, I'd think the west, especially USA and UK will be telling the Ukrainians to pull 2% of their troops out, and make them instructors. A couple of weeks with those experienced troops will be worth a lot to new recruits, likewise the chance to really fire a panzerfaust, or whatever, at a dead T72 will build a lot of confidence. I cant see Russia doing this, they are dragging men in from syria, and the donbass etc.

 

[Fluff]

That doesn't matter though. Again, the mutual defense clause binds the entirety of the EU, to aid and assist any member country that is victim of aggression on it's territory, by "all the means in their power". Meaning, not only economic sanctions and weapons, but inevitably also by providing full fledged military support.
That argument is built on fallacies imo. The EU does not require to form an ad-hoc uniform army over night, to repulse Russia. That's not the case with NATO either. There is a reason interoperability exists and joint logistics and maneuver exercises are being carried out for decades. I think you might be underestimating EU militaries joint response capabilities, in case of an attack. Secondly, we see Europe's resolve in aiding Ukraine, despite Russian economic and military, even implied nuclear threats and counter-sanctions. Germany ignored them. Yes, not everyone hopped on the Bandwagon for various reasons, but most European countries provide at least humanitarian aid, the majority also weapons, including Germany who is now sending heavy weapons too, despite a series of Russian threats. They even decided to switch to alternatives, just because of this conflict, and the message couldn't be more clear:

This is, in response to a war of aggression against an outsider, a nation, that is neither EU, nor NATO member.
I think, if anything, that's a good indicatoin, that the EU would tolerate Russian aggresssion against it's members, considerably less.
Neither would Russia want to risk nuclear war either. Europe has nuclear weapons too. France and GB have their own arsenals, with hundreds of warheads. There is just no chance for Russia ever winning a war of aggression against Europe in their current state, even if NATO didn't exist. If they escalated it with nuclear attacks, they would be attacked as well and then it's Game Over for everyone.
It's not a question to me wheter NATO still served it's purpose. I think it does, regardless of wheter the EU itself had a mutual defense clause or not. But the cause exists and it's also a garantor. Ofc, without NATO, which brings an entity as powerful as the USA onto the playing field, the EU would be weaker by default. But not remotely enough for Russia, to consider going full tard.

Who would not want USA on their side? Despite all the stuff thrown up, no-one was forced to go with them into Iraq etc. And USA had the chance to occupy a big chunk of Europe, if they wanted to. Compare that to the other side, and the eastern countries are still rebuilding their countries, people, wealth etc.

The EU would if it chose to deploy, be a strong force. But especially since UK left, then EU would lose the 2 strongest members of NATO. Given the treatment of Russia over the last 30 years, by EU, I cant see any frontline country thinking it would be a good idea to rely on the EU for defense against Russia, rather than NATO. And Russia has confirmed this, not happy to see Ukr join NATO, but ok with it joining EU. What more do you need?

 

[Fluff]

The Russian retired general who was a bit negative in the previous broadcasts has probably been asked to be more positive...especially on the quality of russian weaponry as what is seen on the field is'nt exactly very attractive for potential buyers.

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Well now he has cleared that up, we can order our T90 fleet. Maybe he meant reliable at throwing their turrets?

 

[Fluff]

Turkey to reject Sweden and Finland's bid to join NATO

Turkey has told allies that it will reject Sweden and Finland's membership to NATO, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said in a video posted on his Twitter account on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

He wont.....any takers?