Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[morris]

The intelligence services of Lugansk and Donetsk Peoples Republics report increased Ukrainian military activities along the ceasefire line. It looks like, mainly, US and British politicians encouraging ua to attack the republics to draw Russia in to stop slaughter of civilians like it was in 2014 and to enforce the Minsk agreements.
Both Jonson and Biden are loosing popularity with voters and badly need distraction and so is their puppet Zelensky, none of them care about lives and well being of Ukrainian soldiers who may have to face complete annihilation if this happens.

 

[1645556315]

US politicians always were tend to solve domestic troubles with wars somewhere thousands miles from US soil. However war against nuclear power in the middle of Europe is a bit too much even for current ignorant US administration.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Ukraine: Boris Johnson warns Russian invasion would be disastrous

Boris Johnson says an invasion would be painful and bloody for Russia - but war is not inevitable.

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"We also need to get over the message that invading Ukraine from a Russian perspective is going to be a painful, violent and bloody business...this could be a new Chechnya"

"The plan for a lightning war that could take out Kyiv is one that everyone can see. We need to make it clear to Russia that that would be a disastrous step"

 

[1645556315]

 

[Junglejim]

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Ukraine: Boris Johnson warns Russian invasion would be disastrous

Boris Johnson says an invasion would be painful and bloody for Russia - but war is not inevitable.

www.bbc.com

"We also need to get over the message that invading Ukraine from a Russian perspective is going to be a painful, violent and bloody business...this could be a new Chechnya"

"The plan for a lightning war that could take out Kyiv is one that everyone can see. We need to make it clear to Russia that that would be a disastrous step"

The part about Ukraine being another Chechnya... maybe they have forgotten that it didnt stop Russia and they even went for a second serving.

Again if the UK and US is dead serious about stopping Russian plans. Put boots on the ground. Not Eastern Europ, but in Ukraine. I have a feeling though with the previous summit of non use of nuclear weapons etc. The rules of the game has been set and agreed upon and the game in Ukraine has already been approved and all sides know the outcome.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Current distribution of forces.

Russia is deploying 3 army groups:
1/ First Guards Tank Army
2/ 20th Guards Combined Arms Army
3/ 6th Guards Combined Arms Army

And Belarus just announced the moving of forces to the Ukrainian border.

 

[1645556315]

Again if the UK and US is dead serious about stopping Russian plans. Put boots on the ground. Not Eastern Europ, but in Ukraine. I have a feeling though with the previous summit of non use of nuclear weapons etc. The rules of the game has been set and agreed upon and the game in Ukraine has already been approved and all sides know the outcome.

Sure it is not an option at the moment.
When tens of US soldiers will dies after every successful bomb hit or artillery barrage, it will not add a popularity for current US administration. After all Ukraine is very important for Russians, almost as a part of Russia. On other hand most americans did not know anything about it and did not care at all.

 

[nemipuka_]

Putin's record isn't perfect, but he has more experience using military force than any other leader in the world. Is there much evidence that Russian casualties sustained in these conflicts significantly hurt his domestic approval?

Wishful thinking.

Putin has overseen:
-2nd Chechen War
-2008 Russo-Georgian War
-Invasion of Ukraine 2014-now
-Intervention in Syria 2015-now
Russia sustained thousands of KIAs in those conflicts. If Putin decides to escalate, he'll be prepared to sustain hundreds of casualties or more

I doubt we will see an endless guerilla war fought by an Ukrainian national militia trained locally by "foreign advisors"; which would come at a cost of critical destruction of Ukraine’s infrastructure and lots of casualties.
Just like Russia will withdraw after losing 10,000 before breakfast à-la Chechnya will undermine their patriotic spirit and plunge the Russian public opinion into a 0 tolerance for casualties policy. When it comes to body count, Ukraine's will is likely the break before Russia's.

The fact that this has not happened and will, hopefully, not happen can lead us to some interesting conclusions though.

We shouldn't underestimate him.

"more experience using military force than any other leader in the world"

Some minor details on that one:

Iraq's forces during the second US-Iraq war:
- 500 000 men
- 2 000 tanks
- 300 combat aircraft
Chechen forces during the second Russian-Chechen war:
- 30 000 men
≈50 tanks
- 0 combat aircraft
And all this bragging about defeating a small country like Georgia or going to war in Syria where people are more busy on fighting each other, like this is some sort of Napoleon level of achievement... lmfo

 

[SamWell]

In general, the only interesting fact in everything that is happening now is the fact of the evacuation of embassies, both the Russian Federation and the United States

 

[Mike1976]

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Biden might start a war because he is, among other things, demented and incoherent. The Biden Admin has close to negative political capital at the moment. They are desperate. And desperate people do desperate things.

The coming, new anti-war movement is going to be lit.

Oh well I'm sure the Pentagon will warn their Russian counterparts when the unhinged warmonger president wants to start a war.

#Dontcountonit

There won't be any protests because the professional protesters won't be mobilized by their democratic party handlers just like BLM and antifa aren't burning down US cities every night anymore. The election had the right outcome so they were stood down. There were similar spikes in activity in 2008, 2012 and 2016. Code Pink was anti-war from 2003-2008 and 2016-2020. I'm seeing a pattern here. The democrats want this war so unless protesters want to be declared enemies of the state like Republicans they'll keep quiet.

 

[thelistener]

And Belarus just announced the moving of forces to the Ukrainian border.

Any links/articles about this?

The intelligence services of Lugansk and Donetsk Peoples Republics report increased Ukrainian military activities along the ceasefire line. It looks like, mainly, US and British politicians encouraging ua to attack the republics to draw Russia in to stop slaughter of civilians like it was in 2014 and to enforce the Minsk agreements.
Both Jonson and Biden are loosing popularity with voters and badly need distraction and so is their puppet Zelensky, none of them care about lives and well being of Ukrainian soldiers who may have to face complete annihilation if this happens.

From a brainwashed westerners point of view this sounds like a good reason for Russia to conduct pre-emptive strike against Ukrainian forces "massing to move against the good people of lugansk and donetsk"

If something does happen Russia will 100 % justifie it under some pretext. Real or not from western perspective.

As in my previous post i hope and think nothing will happen. But if Russia does something "aggressive" it will backfire on it like it did in 2014. Russia complains about NATO expansion etc. but one can look how much military forces NATO swifted east after Crimea...
And NATO is looking more and more attractive for "neutral" countries still remaining, especially if Russia uses military force in Ukraine.

In general, the only interesting fact in everything that is happening now is the fact of the evacuation of embassies, both the Russian Federation and the United States

A no brainer thought maybe, but it honestly feels like posturing. When "neutral" countries start evacuating their embassy personnel, then i'll get worried.

 

[SamWell]

US politicians always were tend to solve domestic troubles with wars somewhere thousands miles from US soil. However war against nuclear power in the middle of Europe is a bit too much even for current ignorant US administration.

It is understandable, of course, that the United States, before real wars, always promises the beginning of a war for several months in a row. The style is familiar.
But I doubt that United States is that stupid to intervene militarily anywhere, especially after the humiliating flight from A-stan. Although it is possible that they have a plan that will definitely work (or they think so, which is no less likely)

 

[morris]

And NATO is looking more and more attractive

 

[thelistener]

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Thats some 4chan tier banter my good sir.

 

[morris]

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Some minor details on that one:

Why the demented and disgruntled bashi bazouk bashing his own face hiding behind the flag?

 

[morris]

Thats some 4chan tier banter my good sir.

that is all you need to know about NATO attractiveness

 

[thelistener]

There a various military options available but full scale invasion is unlikely. I think troops amassed to deterrence US/NATO forces.

Is there any correlation with current tensions and the almost "freefall" of the Russian stock market?
Russian stock market came down 9% today and has lost around 150 billion dollars in these past few weeks. Also ruble came down 1,5 % raising concerns that the central bank will have to take action.

 

[Telmar]

Sure it is not an option at the moment.
When tens of US soldiers will dies after every successful bomb hit or artillery barrage, it will not add a popularity for current US administration. After all Ukraine is very important for Russians, almost as a part of Russia. On other hand most americans did not know anything about it and did not care at all.

As you say going there (at least in Donbass) is going against the will of the people there. These are conflicts where there is nothing to gain.

I think behind Ukraine we are really talking about the "next ones on the list" that are the Baltic countries where large Russian minorities could be used to destabilize perfectly democratic countries. That would be a real "sudeten" moment and Ukraine is the sandbox where lines are trying to be drawn.

 

[morris]

Is there any correlation with current tensions and the almost "freefall" of the Russian stock market?
Russian stock market came down 9% today and has lost around 150 billion dollars in these past few weeks. Also ruble came down 1,5 % raising concerns that the central bank will have to take action.

Omicron knocks UK and eurozone growth to 11-month lows; banknote maker De La Rue warns on profits – business live

Worries over Ukraine tensions and prospect of US interest rate rises hits stocks, wiping out FTSE 100’s early 2022 gains, before a late recovery on Wall Street

www.theguardian.com

Key events

• 1h ago US private sector growth slumped to 18-month low
• 1h ago Wall Street drops at the open
• 3h ago Gas prices jump
• 4h ago European selloff gathers speed as Ukraine worries rise
• 4h ago Bitcoin hits six-month low amid crypto turmoil
• 5h ago Full story: UK business growth hits 11-month low as Omicron chills service sector
• 5h ago Swiss franc hits six-year high against euro, in move to safe-havens

 

[morris]

Why is Ukraine soldiers suicide rate is on the rise?

Just couple days ago a border guard

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