Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[SamWell]

I don't know about the rest, but pressuring the oligarchs is dead on arrival. Especially considering their ties with the Bidens.

American democracy at its finest

 

[morris]

are you seriously arguing with a WWII propaganda poster?
because then the posters that dehumanize the Japanese, the Germans are also true arguments--

I keep my seriousness just above yours

 

[Paya]

Without delving into the morals of the matter, it seems to me that Russia's preferred outcome of this whole business would be the Finlandization of Ukraine without a struggle. Barring that, Russia likely intends to set a very harsh example of Ukraine, demonstrating to its "near abroad" in no uncertain terms that the West cannot protect them should they violate Russian security needs or kill its citizens. Ukrainian Eastern Command ceasing to exist would likely do the trick.

 

[Mike1976]

The wrath of Kuleba.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister said that the Ukrainians will remember at the genetic level the reluctance of the Federal Republic of Germany to supply weapons to Kiev.

The Germans are reluctant to supply weapons to their own army never mind someone else's. No one can be surprised about this

 

[morris]

Opinion | How to Retreat From Ukraine

Searching for a non-disastrous way back from American overreach.

www.nytimes.com

the pressing need to concentrate American power in East Asia to counter China, it’s clear enough where an ideal retreat would end up: with NATO expansion permanently tabled, with Ukraine subject to inevitable Russian pressure but neither invaded nor annexed, and with our NATO allies shouldering more of the burden of maintaining a security perimeter in Eastern Europe.

 

[Junglejim]

I see Japan is joining in, bringing this Euro problem to Asia.

Russia warns Japan to stay out of Ukraine crisis - Washington Examiner

The Russian foreign minister's team warned Japan to stay out of the brewing Ukraine crisis after U.S. officials touted a “close alignment” with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida in the lead-up to a potential eruption of violence in Eastern Europe.Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov's...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[1645556315]

I see Japan is joining in, bringing this Euro problem to Asia.

Russia warns Japan to stay out of Ukraine crisis - Washington Examiner

The Russian foreign minister's team warned Japan to stay out of the brewing Ukraine crisis after U.S. officials touted a “close alignment” with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida in the lead-up to a potential eruption of violence in Eastern Europe.Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov's...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Not surprised, just another country still occupied by US.

 

[Junglejim]

Not surprised, just another country still occupied by US.

From someone in Russia, what's your read on the situation, will you guy be going into Ukraine? Or is Putin just playing brinkmanship? That's a lot of ATGM to be thrown in the black market as it stands right now.

 

[Gordus]

so are we gonna start a pool as whether Russia invades? my bet is no, they dont.
we could also start a separate bet that the US tries to pull off some sort of false flag op to trigger things.

Putin has never even contemplated that option to begin with.

There is literaly no reason to launch a full scale invasion and potentialy waste thousands of Russian lives in the process, risking total collapse of diplomacy or worse. If he wanted to do that, he would have done it in 2014, when the UA was virtualy nonexistent and West caught with their pants down.
They got exactly what they wanted. Crimea and a permanently destabilized Ukraine. Ruling out any prospects of NATO membership already on paper. With Crimea in the bag, literaly everything else, all the posturing and sabre ratling, is nothing more than distraction and letting time do the rest. Now that its all about Donbass, nobody is even taking seriously the concept of a Crimea reconquista. It's the oldest trick in their book.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

T

So you were with the Nazis until the very end. What а good fellows!
(fun facrt:Hungarians, in percentage terms, committed more crimes than other axis allies in the occupied territory)

And what are you complaining about?
You always could have surrendered first, like the Finns, and would have gotten off with the loss of territory and reparations. But no!
You still could have surrendered second, like the Romanians. You would have to eat the sweet bread of communism, but at least there would be no hated Soviet troops on your territory ... Also not your option?
Decided to show your character and stand to the last? Well, get a full course of prostate massage-you deserve it!

Zdrásztvujtye, továris .

yes, a part of Hungarian society and the political leadership (hanging out of Putin's ass) want to use a false narrative to portray Hungarian soldiers' participation in the war against the Soviet Union as clear heroes.

In other words, it is perpetrating history - while hoping to grab a piece of Ukraine as a body snatcher in a Russian-Ukrainian conflict.
pld https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/a-doni-attores-hoseire-emlekeztek.html
This is the website of the official weekly newspaper of the Hungarian Ministry of Defence.



ncidentally, the 1947 peace treaty stated that occupying troops had to leave the country within 90 days, except for Soviet units supplying occupying troops in Austria.

And that's how we ended up with them sitting on our necks until 1990...

so much for the Finnish parallel.

By the way, your liberators didn't leave Bulgaria, Poland or the annexed Baltic states.
- despite the fact that Romanian and Bulgarian troops - partly equipped with German technology - were officially allied with Moscow in the "liberation" of Hungary and Austria, and the Poles were not allied with Adolf..
Romania is a slightly different story, they withdrew from there later, but there were political and economic reasons for that.

 

[morris]

Christine Lambrecht promised to Ukraine a complete field hospital including a crematorium together with the necessary training in February. Straight and to the point.

 

[Junglejim]

Thing is we can talk about "what's on Putin's mind" but wars are not started by logical rational thought, its usually due to serious miscalculation, accidents or just a product of putting weapons and testosterone in a single point in time. Somebody with an itchy trigger finger can light up a powder keg.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

 

[morris]

Ukrainian automatic grenade launcher after using ammo supplied by NATO.

 

[1645556315]

View attachment 367036

You must be not very smart person to post this propaganda crap here, when we all know how high was population support of reunufication with Russia in Crimea. You must remember that 75% of Ukrainian military and 95% of police and SBU switched side here.

 

[MartinLavin]

From someone in Russia, what's your read on the situation, will you guy be going into Ukraine? Or is Putin just playing brinkmanship? That's a lot of ATGM to be thrown in the black market as it stands right now.

I'm not sure what do you expect us to say? Do we believe in this propaganda bullshit about imminent invasion? Of course we don't. All other things are largely irrelevant.

 

[1645556315]

From someone in Russia, what's your read on the situation, will you guy be going into Ukraine?

There a various military options available but full scale invasion is unlikely. I think troops amassed to deterrence US/NATO forces.

Thing is we can talk about "what's on Putin's mind" but wars are not started by logical rational thought, its usually due to serious miscalculation, accidents or just a product of putting weapons and testosterone in a single point in time. Somebody with an itchy trigger finger can light up a powder keg.

Putin is anybody but warmongering maniac (i know your media disagreed lol). Russian use of force always were minimal possible and always supported and resulted with intense diplomatic efforts. Sure we will try to avoid full scale war by any means.

Also Putin or not, there is a fundamental Russian interests. During NATO aggression in Yugoslavia even former Russian president Eltsin (pro-western drunkard) was forced to do something to show disagree with US aggression, otherwise he could expect peoples uprising. (The only time in my life when i have participated in protests was a protests against NATO aggression in Yugoslavia, Kosovo je Srbia btw )

 

[Jake84]

There a various military options available but full scale invasion is unlikely. I think troops amassed to deterrence US/NATO forces.



Putin is anybody but warmongering maniac (i know your media disagreed lol). Russian use of force always were minimal possible and always supported and resulted with intense diplomatic efforts. Sure we will try to avoid full scale war by any means.

Also Putin or not, there is a fundamental Russian interests. During NATO aggression in Yugoslavia even former Russian president Eltsin (pro-western drunkard) was forced to do something to show disagree with US aggression, otherwise he could expect peoples uprising. (The only time in my life when i have participated in protests was a protests against NATO aggression in Yugoslavia, Kosovo je Srbia btw )

I largely agree to all of this.

Beside this is BoJo latest statement about the ongoing crisis:

Ukraine: Boris Johnson warns Russian invasion would be disastrous

Boris Johnson says an invasion would be painful and bloody for Russia - but war is not inevitable.

www.bbc.com

« The prime minister said he had visited Ukraine and knew the people of the country, adding: "My judgment is that they will fight."

Mr Johnson, speaking to reporters in Milton Keynes, said: "We also need to get a message that invading Ukraine, from a Russian perspective, is going to be a painful, violent and bloody business.

"I think it's very important that people in Russia understand that this could be a new Chechnya."
Asked if an invasion was imminent, he said: "I've got to tell you that I think the intelligence is pretty gloomy at this point. There is certainly a very, very large array of Russian forces and we have to take the necessary steps.

"I don't think it's by any means inevitable now, I think that sense can still prevail."

He is due to speak to international allies on Monday. »

Me? I’m not worried about a « reverse Barbarossa »; more about the big medias adding fuel to this fire.

I saw someone mentioning about Russia needing Lebensraum before… I disagree. Why would Putin, Russia and the Russians need even more Slavic flat wasteland?

It’s indeed, IMO more of a buffer zone. BoJo has a bit of a point too, like @AND before I see little reason for a total Russian blitzkrieg over Ukraine for very little benefits for either side.

It’s tense and I don’t deny it. Seems like chest beating on both sides.

War is not inevitable.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Biden might start a war because he is, among other things, demented and incoherent. The Biden Admin has close to negative political capital at the moment. They are desperate. And desperate people do desperate things.

This whole charade isn’t even as coherent as the Iraq war snake oil sale. Which goes n to show the contempt they have for everybody else but themselves.

The coming, new anti-war movement is going to be lit.

“There have been no radical changes in the security situation recently. The accumulation of Russian troops near the state border began in April last year”.
And that is according to Ukraine Foreign Ministry.


So, chest beating?
On the US's side yes.
Russian's side? How so? That's pretty much the way Russia has conducted most, if not all, of its military exercises since forever.

 

[MartinLavin]

Putin is anybody but warmongering maniac (i know your media disagreed lol).

Well, the same media often labeled Putin as a "Chessmaster" who makes unexpected moves. I guess nobody in MSM cares now that there are people exist with longer that 1 month memory

And btw why is nobody talking about 100 thousands poor soldiers who are living in tents near border during Russian winter(!) for 1.5 months already?