Mil News Current Iran/Iraq/US Tensions and Actions Unfolding

[Mardonius]

Technically, Iran does not do anything anymore to find itself in that position.

Hijacking ships, dropping limpet mines, firing missiles on US and UAE military installations and Saudi oil refineries, plotted terror attacks against "opponents to the regime" on foreign soil, etc...

You forgot:

Advancing its nuclear program through higher-grade enrichment, advanced centrifuges and related research. In addition to developing new missile components to increase accuracy and range.

Bottom line:

Don't expect countries to stand idly when their top generals get executed, their economy is sanctioned to death with millions of people ending up in poverty; regional countries getting destabilized through neo-liberal western interventionism; etc.

 

[Chefjavier]

How many carriers we have in the area?

 

[Euroamerican]

I think I saw that no CVNs were there a few days ago, but that some LHA groups were either there or out in either the Med or Indian Ocean.

 

[Mardonius]

Yemen’s Houthis Claim Strike on Saudi Base, Aramco Oil Depot​

Yemen’s Houthi rebels said they launched missile and drone strikes against a Saudi Arabian oil facility and a military base, as their attacks on the kingdom’s energy and security installations multiply.

The Houthis, who are backed by Iran in Yemen’s civil war, said they bombed King Khalid Air Base in Saudi Arabia’s southwestern city of Khamis Mushait with a drone and hit a Saudi Aramco fuel depot in Jeddah with a Quds-2 cruise missile.

Saudi officials also said they intercepted a “ballistic missile fired by the terrorist Houthi militia” toward Jazan, a city on the Red Sea coast near the Yemeni border and south of Jeddah.

The extent of the damage, if any, was not immediately clear for any of the three locations.

Yemen’s Houthis Claim Strike on Saudi Base, Aramco Oil Depot

Yemen’s Houthi rebels said they launched missile and drone strikes against a Saudi Arabian oil facility and a military base, as their attacks on the kingdom’s energy and security installations multiply.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Fluff]

How many carriers we have in the area?

enough.

 

[BeNder]

How many carriers we have in the area?

None at this time. Appears China is top of the list.

 

[Mike1976]

None at this time. Appears China is top of the list.

With the number of bases surrounding Iran are carriers an absolute necessity all the time? In my opinion they aren't.

 

[Chazman]

With the number of bases surrounding Iran are carriers an absolute necessity all the time? In my opinion they aren't.

No. More than enough land based airpower in the region.

 

[Mardonius]

No. More than enough land based airpower in the region.

With the number of bases surrounding Iran are carriers an absolute necessity all the time? In my opinion they aren't.

Which are extremely vulnerable to Iran's ballistic missile force, as we've seen in the Ain al Asad attack. In contrast to carriers that can stay out of range in times of calamity.

That is the reason why the US has recently scouted potential bases in western KSA, where the US would host troops they'd drawdown from their vulnerable land bases close to Iran.

US exploring new bases in Saudi Arabia amid Iran tensions​

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- The U.S. military is exploring the possibility of using a Red Sea port in Saudi Arabia and an additional two airfields in the kingdom amid heightened tensions with Iran, the military said Tuesday.

While describing the work as "contingency" planning, the U.S. military said it already has tested unloading and shipping cargo overland from Saudi Arabia's port at Yanbu, a crucial terminal for oil pipelines in the kingdom.

[...]

These locations likely would not have permanently stationed troops and could allow the U.S. to drawdown forces at other bases through that flexibility, she said.

“If we are trying to have a flexible posture where we are not tied to permanent bases, ... you are going to need to back it up with a logistics network that can make sure you can flow in people and weaponry as needed,” Wasser said.

Such contingency plans already exist in the Mideast, like the agreements that grant American forces rights to use bases in Oman under certain circumstances. But the western coast of Saudi Arabia also provides additional distance from Iran, which has invested heavily in ballistic missiles as sanctions have locked it out of global arms sales.

The Persian Gulf "would be contested waters under any scenario of armed conflict with Iran, so you look at the places where you would move your forces as they enter the theater from being in a contested area,” McKenzie was quoted as telling journalists in Yanbu.

US exploring new bases in Saudi Arabia amid Iran tensions

The U.S. military is looking into using a Red Sea port in Saudi Arabia and an additional two airfields in the kingdom amid heightened tensions with Iran

abcnews.go.com

We've reached a point where due to a missile threat, the US is likely to abandon most of its bases around the Gulf when the shooting starts.

 

[Yevgeny]

China Appears To Increase Foothold In Strategic Port In Pakistan

Three 'blue roof sites' have now been built in Gwadar, Pakistan. The port is also believed to be a future Chinese Navy overseas base, supporting the existing one in Djibouti in the Horn of Africa.

www.forbes.com

 

[Mardonius]

China approves Iran’s usage of Beidou Satellite Systems​

The close cooperation between China and Iran continues to develop in different fields such as the fight against coronavirus, the One Belt One Road, trade exchanges, and friendly collaboration.

China and Iran maintained close military-to-military relations throughout the 1980s and 1990s. Additionally, China helped Iran boost its anti-access/area denial (A2/AD) capabilities by selling tactical ballistic and anti-ship cruise missiles, advanced anti-ship mines to Iran. China also provided technical expertise to Iran for helping develop Tehran’s indigenous Nasr anti-ship cruise missile.

According to Iran’s embassy in Beijing, China and Iran agreed to Iran’s usage of the Beidou navigation satellite system (BDS).

China approves Iran's usage of Beidou Satellite Systems - Naval Post- Naval News and Information

China and Iran agreed to Iran's usage of the Beidou navigation satellite system.

navalpost.com

 

[morris]

Yemen’s Houthis Claim Strike on Saudi Base, Aramco Oil Depot​

Yemen’s Houthi rebels said they launched missile and drone strikes against a Saudi Arabian oil facility and a military base, as their attacks on the kingdom’s energy and security installations multiply.

The Houthis, who are backed by Iran in Yemen’s civil war, said they bombed King Khalid Air Base in Saudi Arabia’s southwestern city of Khamis Mushait with a drone and hit a Saudi Aramco fuel depot in Jeddah with a Quds-2 cruise missile.

Saudi officials also said they intercepted a “ballistic missile fired by the terrorist Houthi militia” toward Jazan, a city on the Red Sea coast near the Yemeni border and south of Jeddah.

The extent of the damage, if any, was not immediately clear for any of the three locations.

Yemen’s Houthis Claim Strike on Saudi Base, Aramco Oil Depot

Yemen’s Houthi rebels said they launched missile and drone strikes against a Saudi Arabian oil facility and a military base, as their attacks on the kingdom’s energy and security installations multiply.

www.bloomberg.com

Destruction of a military convoy of Houthi militias on Al-Jadaan road northwest of Marib, with raids of coalition fighters, and the burning of two BMB vehicles, two tanks, six crews, and a vehicle loaded with ammunition.

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[Yevgeny]

US, Russia warships dock in strategic Sudan port

A US warship docked in Sudan Monday a day after a Russian frigate arrived in the same key Red Sea port where Moscow is planning to establish a naval logistics base, an AFP correspondent said. The arrival of the guided-missile destroyer USS Winston S. Churchill to Port Sudan follows Washington's...

www.al-monitor.com

 

[Chazman]

Which are extremely vulnerable to Iran's ballistic missile force, as we've seen in the Ain al Asad attack. In contrast to carriers that can stay out of range in times of calamity.

That is the reason why the US has recently scouted potential bases in western KSA, where the US would host troops they'd drawdown from their vulnerable land bases close to Iran.

US exploring new bases in Saudi Arabia amid Iran tensions​

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- The U.S. military is exploring the possibility of using a Red Sea port in Saudi Arabia and an additional two airfields in the kingdom amid heightened tensions with Iran, the military said Tuesday.

While describing the work as "contingency" planning, the U.S. military said it already has tested unloading and shipping cargo overland from Saudi Arabia's port at Yanbu, a crucial terminal for oil pipelines in the kingdom.

[...]

These locations likely would not have permanently stationed troops and could allow the U.S. to drawdown forces at other bases through that flexibility, she said.

“If we are trying to have a flexible posture where we are not tied to permanent bases, ... you are going to need to back it up with a logistics network that can make sure you can flow in people and weaponry as needed,” Wasser said.

Such contingency plans already exist in the Mideast, like the agreements that grant American forces rights to use bases in Oman under certain circumstances. But the western coast of Saudi Arabia also provides additional distance from Iran, which has invested heavily in ballistic missiles as sanctions have locked it out of global arms sales.

The Persian Gulf "would be contested waters under any scenario of armed conflict with Iran, so you look at the places where you would move your forces as they enter the theater from being in a contested area,” McKenzie was quoted as telling journalists in Yanbu.

US exploring new bases in Saudi Arabia amid Iran tensions

The U.S. military is looking into using a Red Sea port in Saudi Arabia and an additional two airfields in the kingdom amid heightened tensions with Iran

abcnews.go.com

We've reached a point where due to a missile threat, the US is likely to abandon most of its bases around the Gulf when the shooting starts.

The assumption is that those launchers and targeting facilities will actually exist long enough to launch, where in a real war, they'd already be targeted and eliminated.

 

[Mardonius]

The assumption is that those launchers and targeting facilities will actually exist long enough to launch, where in a real war, they'd already be targeted and eliminated.

We are talking about highly-mobile, often underground launching facilities that are way too scattered to be nullified in any first strike. It wouldn't take long for Iran to be able to launch many of its BMs in case of war, or whenever it detects suspicious movements.

The discrepancy between Iran's mobile launching facilities and US' static land bases makes the latter much more vulnerable than the former. A reality which the Pentagon has painfully become aware of. If my memory serves me well, the US has even tested switching its AF headquarters from the Gulf to US mainland.

 

[Fluff]

We are talking about highly-mobile, often underground launching facilities that are way too scattered to be nullified in any first strike. It wouldn't take long for Iran to be able to launch many of its BMs in case of war, or whenever it detects suspicious movements.

The discrepancy between Iran's mobile launching facilities and US' static land bases makes the latter much more vulnerable than the former. A reality which the Pentagon has painfully become aware of. If my memory serves me well, the US has even tested switching its AF headquarters from the Gulf to US mainland.

Er no.

those fixed bases are there for Iraq, and to contain Iran.
If it kicks off, the yanks will withdraw, and pound Iranian bases from out of Iranian range.
Picking out truck sized targets, in what is largely featureless terrain, is straightforward.
Iran will get some missiles off, but I wouldn’t want to be the launch crew.
I don’t want a war, but if you are typical of the Iranian beliefs, your going to be seriously upset with the outcome.

your enemy withdrawing out of your range, is not a good sign........

 

[Mardonius]

Er no.

those fixed bases are there for Iraq, and to contain Iran.
If it kicks off, the yanks will withdraw, and pound Iranian bases from out of Iranian range.
Picking out truck sized targets, in what is largely featureless terrain, is straightforward.
Iran will get some missiles off, but I wouldn’t want to be the launch crew.
I don’t want a war, but if you are typical of the Iranian beliefs, your going to be seriously upset with the outcome.

your enemy withdrawing out of your range, is not a good sign........

Yes, it is.

It Iran manages to press the US significantly out of range, which appears to be the case, the capability of the US to deal with Iran´s mobile BM force will diminish. Its next to impossible to target mobile TELs at 2000km or even 500km at the onset of a high tech conflict.

In the meantime, every regional (dual-use) airfield will be pounded by hundreds of BMs, CMs and loitering munition. They will quickly be disabled, if not outright abandoned by the US.

The absolute ferocity of ballistic missiles landing next to you isn't to be underestimated. We have reports of US soldiers refusing to leave their shelters during the Ain al Asad attack even hours after the last ballistic missile struck the base.

 

[Fluff]

Yes, it is.

It Iran manages to press the US significantly out of range, which appears to be the case, the capability of the US to deal with Iran´s mobile BM force will diminish. Its next to impossible to target mobile TELs at 2000km or even 500km at the onset of a high tech conflict.

What?
A base is a base. The forces spotting your trucks is in orbit, and in drones. Your getting confused, with Iran building fortifications, everyone else is into mobile warfare.

I’ll repeat, you are not pushing the USA out of range. You are causing the USA to move its forces further away, to avoid casualties. The USA can still hit you, it’s not good, it means USA expects war.

I think it’s better if you experience this, as your clearly not going to accept anything less.

 

[Mardonius]

What?
A base is a base. The forces spotting your trucks is in orbit, and in drones. Your getting confused, with Iran building fortifications, everyone else is into mobile warfare.

I’ll repeat, you are not pushing the USA out of range. You are causing the USA to move its forces further away, to avoid casualties. The USA can still hit you, it’s not good, it means USA expects war.

I think it’s better if you experience this, as your clearly not going to accept anything less.

I don't think you are really aware of the latest developments. Iran has placed hundreds of burried missile containers all over its soil, exactly to evade US surveillance and detection, using electromechanics to fire automatically.

This concept is based on ambiguity of true and decoy sites, as well as large areal distances such so called "missile farms" can have.
For a (nuclear) counter-force strike to neutralize these low hardened assets, large areas need to be hit, increasing the number of nuclear weapons needed.

Other solid fuel ballistic missiles in Irans arsenal are either:

• Road-mobile, single autonomous vehicles, which can launch the missile quickly after receiving the order (e.g Sejil).
• Or off-road capable transporter erector launchers that can hide in the terrain ( e.g Dezful).

Irans mountainous terrain is especially well suited for the latter of the two launch methods. Deep valleys deny line of sight for stand-off reconnaissance assets which requires it, as well as blast deflection of conventional and nuclear weapons.
Another mean Iran employs for increasing the survivability of its TELs is to design them small enough to disguise them as civilian trucks, e.g by using a plastic cover.

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Good luck with trying to detect these missiles on the onset of a conflict.

 

[Fluff]

I don't think you are really aware of the latest developments. Iran has placed hundreds of burried missile containers all over its soil, exactly to evade US surveillance and detection, using electromechanics to fire automatically.

This concept is based on ambiguity of true and decoy sites, as well as large areal distances such so called "missile farms" can have.
For a (nuclear) counter-force strike to neutralize these low hardened assets, large areas need to be hit, increasing the number of nuclear weapons needed.

Other solid fuel ballistic missiles in Irans arsenal are either:

• Road-mobile, single autonomous vehicles, which can launch the missile quickly after receiving the order (e.g Sejil).
• Or off-road capable transporter erector launchers that can hide in the terrain ( e.g Dezful).

Irans mountainous terrain is especially well suited for the latter of the two launch methods. Deep valleys deny line of sight for stand-off reconnaissance assets which requires it, as well as blast deflection of conventional and nuclear weapons.
Another mean Iran employs for increasing the survivability of its TELs is to design them small enough to disguise them as civilian trucks, e.g by using a plastic cover.

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Good luck with trying to detect these missiles on the onset of a conflict.

Best of luck, hopefully you will come back and let us know about your great victory.