Mil News Current Iran/Iraq/US Tensions and Actions Unfolding

[bfc1001]

This is a country who's only aim in life is to develop a nuclear weapon and drop it of Israel - what are we going to do then?

Even if Iran did develop a nuclear weapon I doubt they d use it in the context you are indicating . To use a nuclear weapon offensively is a one way ticket to self destruction . Strategically it makes no sense .

 

[Marsch]

Let me get this straight. Somebody in here is advocating to preemptively kill millions and a mod likes that post!?!

Seems I'm wrong here...and out now. Bye!

 

[BravoZulu]

Let me get this straight. Somebody in here is advocating to preemptively kill millions and a mod likes that post!?!

Seems I'm wrong here...and out now. Bye!

My apologies all, when I speed scanned the post in question I wrongly attributed the first line of the post as being the last sentence of the post being referred to.

While I don't agree that the intent of the poster was to advocate the killing of anyone let alone millions I do agree that my "liking" the post ( by reason as stated above) was not the standard expected from a mod.

Again, my apologies to all

 

[Mordoror]

IMHO they have never abided by the treaty - they have just built larger facilities deeper underground

The Ayatollahs stay in power by having a very large secret police force and a well paid Revolutionary Guard - and keeping the rest of the populous poor

Any protests you have seen over the last 5 years have been put down brutally - so much for having the support of the people

The important point is it is your opinion/conjecture.
All control agencies and western intel reports said that Iran was abiding
Except Israel, KSA and USA. Go figure why?
I thought that GW2 already teached you that US administration cannot be trusted and that between Yanks and MEasterners, you'd better choose none....
Alas some memories are short and media manipulation is still working a great way it seems

 

[Jake84]

The thing is, Trump emphasized the fact he didn't want new ME adventures, at least once the IS nutjobs were eradicated from Syria and Iraq.

His fierce supporters probably do not want war with Iran and that reeks of opportunism and mood swings. Which coming from trump not to mention Bolton and the rest of these war mongering advisers was highly predictable.

I don't believe for one second that he's willing to go to war against Iran and I'd loved to be proved right in the foreseeable future.

 

[Chazman]

AP sources: US struck Iranian military computers this week

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. military cyber forces launched a strike against Iranian military computer systems on Thursday as President Donald Trump backed away from plans for a more conventional military strike in response to Iran's downing of a U.S. surveillance drone, U.S. officials said Saturday.

apnews.com

 

[BCNTM]

Even if Iran did develop a nuclear weapon I doubt they d use it in the context you are indicating . To use a nuclear weapon offensively is a one way ticket to self destruction . Strategically it makes no sense .

the problem is do you want to test that theory - strategy and sense don't enter into it - ideology overrides both - you only have to see them chanting death to Israel - death to America

 

[BCNTM]

Let me get this straight. Somebody in here is advocating to preemptively kill millions and a mod likes that post!?!

Seems I'm wrong here...and out now. Bye!

Marsch - read the post I responded to it was about killing millions of people - my point is that the longer this goes on the more chance there is that it will result in a bigger war

I have actually been to Iran on a number of occasions - its an absolute and utter nightmare - I certainly won't ever be going back after last time

You call my two Iranian colleges unrepresentative - you have no idea of what they have gone through or what has occurred to their families - at least we can discuss things here in the West without fear of reprisals

 

[bfc1001]

the problem is do you want to test that theory - strategy and sense don't enter into it - ideology overrides both - you only have to see them chanting death to Israel - death to America

Yes , but all this provocation is happening on Iran's border , not Israel's . How is Iran acting aggressively ? If any nation started flying military drones near the UK I'd expect us to shoot them down . No human loss so why not . To be honest if anyone thinks it's a good idea to blow $130 million a pop on one of these drones is not probably best suited to make decisions on whether the US needs to act , but it seems those said people are pushing for Trump to do so .

 

[BCNTM]

Yes , but all this provocation is happening on Iran's border , not Israel's . How is Iran acting aggressively ? If any nation started flying military drones near the UK I'd expect us to shoot them down . No human loss so why not . To be honest if anyone thinks it's a good idea to blow $130 million a pop on one of these drones is not probably best suited to make decisions on whether the US needs to act , but it seems those said people are pushing for Trump to do so .

the drone was in international airspace - unless you believe the kiddie drawn map produced by the Iranians

And they are bringing provocation to their door by mining oil tankers?

 

[bfc1001]

the drone was in international airspace - unless you believe the kiddie drawn map produced by the Iranians

And they are bringing provocation to their door by mining oil tankers?

Yep , a $130 million dollar drone was in international airspace minding it's own business . Can we Daisy chain back why the drone was there in the first place ? And as for the US s apparent " cyber attack " . In planning for weeks wasn't it , I'm guessing the drone was part of that plan and either got lost intentionally or not depending how you view things .

 

[Mordoror]

the drone was in international airspace - unless you believe the kiddie drawn map produced by the Iranians

And they are bringing provocation to their door by mining oil tankers?

What i wrote above
You are blindly trusting the Yanks while questioning iranian claims. While the last position is historicaly understandable, the first position is borderline naivety.
Unless you want to be draggew in another useless conflict. On my side id choose 10 times being labelled cheese eating surrender monkey and see french fries renamed rather than lose soldiers for Bolton n, Netanyau and MBS.

Btw there are still no proofs for the mines and fragments of the drone were recovered by iranian navy which should have been way harder if it was shot down 34km from the coast like claimed by the US DoD.

 

[BCNTM]

Yep , a $130 million dollar drone was in international airspace minding it's own business . Can we Daisy chain back why the drone was there in the first place ? And as for the US s apparent " cyber attack " . In planning for weeks wasn't it , I'm guessing the drone was part of that plan and either got lost intentionally or not depending how you view things .

It was either in international airspace or it was not - if it was in international airspace its an act of war

Who cares what it was there for as long as it was not in their airspace then there is no reason to shoot it down - unless you are looking for trouble

Same as mining ships in international waters

 

[BCNTM]

What i wrote above
You are blindly trusting the Yanks while questioning iranian claims. While the last position is historicaly understandable, the first position is borderline naivety.
Unless you want to be draggew in another useless conflict. On my side id choose 10 times being labelled cheese eating surrender monkey and see french fries renamed rather than lose soldiers for Bolton n, Netanyau and MBS.

Btw there are still no proofs for the mines and fragments of the drone were recovered by iranian navy which should have been way harder if it was shot down 34km from the coast like claimed by the US DoD.

The issue is I do trust the yanks more than the Iranians.

There are pictures of a bit of the fragment mine - it seems to be by all sources Iranian

Any proof that the wreckage they were displaying was from the American drone?

 

[Jake84]

Marsch - read the post I responded to it was about killing millions of people - my point is that the longer this goes on the more chance there is that it will result in a bigger war

I have actually been to Iran on a number of occasions - its an absolute and utter nightmare - I certainly won't ever be going back after last time

You call my two Iranian colleges unrepresentative - you have no idea of what they have gone through or what has occurred to their families - at least we can discuss things here in the West without fear of reprisals

I liked your post because of your clarification. I doubt you’re insane enough to hope for a big war in an already troubled region causing potentially an absolute bloodshed.

I’ll stand by my words and hope this is all chestbeating for now.

@Marsch: After @BravoZulu clarification and formal apology I’m sure you can stay amongst us...

 

[BCNTM]

I liked your post because of your clarification. I doubt you’re insane enough to hope for a big war in an already troubled region causing potentially an absolute bloodshed.

Biggest worry for me is that Iran starts to believe their own propaganda, that they do stand a chance against America. They could have peace and a lot of prosperity - but seem hell bent on trying to be a regional player

 

[Yevgeny]

Oil mixed on crude demand fears and U.S.-Iran tensions

Oil prices were mixed on Monday as market concerns about the possibility of a conflict between the United States and Iran eased, while worries about declining crude demand resurfaced.

www.reuters.com

 

[Yevgeny]

USNI News Fleet and Marine Tracker: June 17, 2019

These are the approximate positions of the U.S. Navy’s deployed carrier strike groups and amphibious ready groups throughout the world as of June 17, 2019, based on Navy and public data. In cases where a CSG or ARG is conducting disaggregated operations, the chart reflects the location of the...

news.usni.org

 

[bfc1001]

Biggest worry for me is that Iran starts to believe their own propaganda, that they do stand a chance against America. They could have peace and a lot of prosperity - but seem hell bent on trying to be a regional player

I get that blackcat but Iran's always going to be a regional player no matter what . That part of the world's always going to be a Sunni / Shia shi*show anyway so better we stay out of it .

 

[TIZER]

So you are saying the Ayatollahs are less dangerous to their own population and less dangerous to everyone else than the Shah was? When the Shah was in power they were no threat to world peace

correct the Shah was a butcher he killed high hundreds of thousands of Iranians if not over a million ... America wanted him in power so that they got control of Iranian oil