Mil News Current Iran/Iraq/US Tensions and Actions Unfolding

[Marsch]

Do you trust the words of the orange man and do you think he actually cares for some Iranians?

Compared to pulling out of the nuke deal this indeed was a wise decision. I just doubt that the given reasons are what really stopped the attack. If it actually was ever ordered that is. But you're wrong anyway as for example TYT (out of all) is actually giving him credit for the decision...see.

Why is the US version more plausible? You know that some people in this administration really want to go to war and what is better than to fabricate such an incident? We know the USA are very good with such fabrications.

Sure, a navigational error. The problem is that with military GPS there are basically no navigational errors. It either was flown into their airspace deliberately or somebody did fall asleep in front of a console.

 

[BCNTM]

Apparently US aircraft were in the air to strike Iranian targets and abruptly recalled. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...hen-abruptly-pulls-back/ar-AADaA3K?li=BBnb7Kz

need to move a lot more assets into the area and then have 50 days of airstrikes - they want to live in the 6th century - give it to them

 

[Kriva]

need to move a lot more assets into the area and then have 50 days of airstrikes - they want to live in the 6th century - give it to them

Why are some people trying to open pandora box ?
Nothing good will come out of the strikes against Iran.

 

[TIZER]

reports the US has sent nuclear capable bombers to the middle east ... America nukes another country again it wont just be the end of NATO, you will be labelled international pariahs only America has used nuclear weapons in anger to do so a 3rd time will leave America very isolated and in effect the American economy might suffer in consequence and the UN will most likely move to a neutral country like Ireland or Switzerland ... America is playing a dangerous game

 

[BCNTM]

Why are some people trying to open pandora box ?
Nothing good will come out of the strikes against Iran.

That is the same thing people said about confronting Germany before WW2

Whilst the Americans had the assets in the area after GW2 they should have rolled Iran at the same time - a very big mistake IMHO

They need to lay waste to their nuke sites and target the Religious leaders - should have been done a long time ago - like a cancer that needs cutting out

 

[BCNTM]

reports the US has sent nuclear capable bombers to the middle east ... America nukes another country again it wont just be the end of NATO, you will be labelled international pariahs only America has used nuclear weapons in anger to do so a 3rd time will leave America very isolated and in effect the American economy might suffer in consequence and the UN will most likely move to a neutral country like Ireland or Switzerland ... America is playing a dangerous game

at times you have to pick a side - Yanks or the Mad Mullahs - Yanks every time

Chinese have shown the world how you deal with the Muslim threat - flatten the Mosques and 're-educate' the followers

In the end it may just be another sandbox turned to glass

UN is a joke

 

[TIZER]

at times you have to pick a side - Yanks or the Mad Mullahs - Yanks every time

Chinese have shown the world how you deal with the Muslim threat - flatten the Mosques and 're-educate' the followers

In the end it may just be another sandbox turned to glass

UN is a joke

Iran was abiding by the treaty .... this is all America's doing and nobody else if you said Wahhabi/sunni i would agree with you ... the Ayatollahs are in power in Iran because of American interference in the country and Persians are not your typical muslims

 

[BCNTM]

Iran was abiding by the treaty .... this is all America's doing and nobody else if you said Wahhabi/sunni i would agree with you ... the Ayatollahs are in power in Iran because of American interference in the country and Persians are not your typical muslims

IMHO they have never abided by the treaty - they have just built larger facilities deeper underground

The Ayatollahs stay in power by having a very large secret police force and a well paid Revolutionary Guard - and keeping the rest of the populous poor

Any protests you have seen over the last 5 years have been put down brutally - so much for having the support of the people

 

[TIZER]

IMHO they have never abided by the treaty - they have just built larger facilities deeper underground

The Ayatollahs stay in power by having a very large secret police force and a well paid Revolutionary Guard - and keeping the rest of the populous poor

Any protests you have seen over the last 5 years have been put down brutally - so much for having the support of the people

whereas the US installed puppet the Shah just murdered everybody not once but twice America put that butcher in power hence the Ayatollahs are in power .... we have to stop interfering in the region

 

[Kriva]

That is the same thing people said about confronting Germany before WW2

Whilst the Americans had the assets in the area after GW2 they should have rolled Iran at the same time - a very big mistake IMHO

They need to lay waste to their nuke sites and target the Religious leaders - should have been done a long time ago - like a cancer that needs cutting out

Do you realise that milions can die ?

We are not talking about weather or next football match.

 

[Kriva]

IMHO they have never abided by the treaty - they have just built larger facilities deeper underground

The Ayatollahs stay in power by having a very large secret police force and a well paid Revolutionary Guard - and keeping the rest of the populous poor

Any protests you have seen over the last 5 years have been put down brutally - so much for having the support of the people

UK would be among first screaming murder if Iran was violating nuclear deal.

 

[Jake84]

As said in a different thread, Trump’s backpedaling on strikes over some targets in Iran will make him look weak, on the other hand it’s just a wise move. If he can handle the Iran Mullah like he tamed the Nork Madman and bring them to the table for talks then I’ll applaud him.

A war over a drone shot down is pure folly.

 

[bfc1001]

As said in a different thread, Trump’s backpedaling on strikes over some targets in Iran will make him look weak, on the other hand it’s just a wise move. If he can handle the Iran Mullah like he tamed the Nork Madman and bring them to the table for talks then I’ll applaud him.

A war over a drone shot down is pure folly.

I'll give Trump his due , push comes to shove he will walk away from conflict for now at least . I'm sure if Hillary was in charge the chances of intervention would have been far greater .

 

[Euroamerican]

I've thought about it a bit and I think we might be seeing the realization that the potential for unforeseen negative outcomes was too high.

Smart move to NOT do a punitive strike if you don't know what the opposition will do in response.

My guess: Credible terrorist-style spectacular strikes, like 20 airlines suddenly getting blown up all around the world, US or US-allied airliners getting shot down over Iranian airspace, strikes agains Israel or Western-aligned states in the region, airport/train station attacks....

The thought of US pilots getting taken prisoner... way worse than a drone being shot down.

 

[BCNTM]

whereas the US installed puppet the Shah just murdered everybody not once but twice America put that butcher in power hence the Ayatollahs are in power .... we have to stop interfering in the region

So you are saying the Ayatollahs are less dangerous to their own population and less dangerous to everyone else than the Shah was? When the Shah was in power they were no threat to world peace

 

[BCNTM]

UK would be among first screaming murder if Iran was violating nuclear deal.

Would we - the time we shouted about anything is over - I work with two Iranians who defected and they think we are weak

 

[Marsch]

The Iranians aren't a threat to "world peace" in opposition to the USA.

Your two Persian colleagues are not representative.

 

[Mordoror]

According to the Orange Man himself, he'd ordered the retaliatory air strike off because of military reports expecting up to 150 casualties in Iran.

Probably not going to be given credit for so wise a decision, is he.

The fact is, the American version of events is way more plausible. That drone didn't have to enter Iran's airspace in order to complete its mission. And you don't risk a valuable asset just to prove a point, much like a doctor doesn't start treating you with the highest dose of a drug.

Had it truly ended up in Iran's airspace, it might've been a navigational mistake.

I disagree that US version is more credible because
The US are lying over and over again in this situaion (tanker attacked by mines, the japanese crew says it was flying ordnance, a MALE/HALE drone initially declared shot down by a SA7 manpad which is technically impossible....)
The iranians recovered drone parts. I dont know well the water streams in the area but it is more likely that the drone was close to the coast rather than away

It is very possible that there are some circles pushing for war in WH outside POTUS will much like you have pro confrontation personalities in the Iranian Revolution Council.

If neither side can shorten the leash of those prowar elements, we are good for a nice firework soon

 

[BravoZulu]

U.S. Carried Out Cyberattacks on Iran

United States Cyber Command on Thursday conducted online attacks against an Iranian intelligence group that American officials believe helped plan the attacks against oil tankers in recent weeks, according to people briefed on the operation.

The intrusion occurred the same day President Trump called off a strike on Iranian targets like radar and missile batteries. But the online operation was allowed to go forward because it was intended to be below the threshold of armed conflict — using the same shadow tactics that Iran has deployed.

The online attacks, which had been planned for several weeks, were ultimately meant to be a direct response to both the tanker attacks this month and the downing of an American drone this week, according to the people briefed on the operations.

Multiple computer systems were targeted, according to people briefed on the operations, including those believed to have been used by an Iranian intelligence group that helped plan the tanker attacks.

An additional breach, according to one person briefed on the operations, targeted other computer systems that control Iranian missile launches.

Determining the effectiveness of a cyberattack on the missile launch system is particularly difficult. Its effectiveness could be judged only if Iran tried to fire a missile and the launch failed.

More:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/22/us/politics/us-iran-cyber-attacks.html

 

[BCNTM]

Do you realise that milions can die ?

We are not talking about weather or next football match.

better a few million now that 10's of millions later

Wouldn't worry me if there were no Iranians left - you could repopulate it with all the Syrians who are currently in Europe

Diplomacy will never work in that area of the world all they understand is what comes out of the end of a gun

This is a country who's only aim in life is to develop a nuclear weapon and drop it of Israel - what are we going to do then?