Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[prdalija]

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[Telmar]

Well the irony is that Ukraine is still buying russian gas (even as they are fighting) too (at discount price moreover)
Capitalism baby .........

And Russia taking money from "nAzIs"

 

[surfpunk]

By the way, since we are talking about Tochkas and serial numbers...

The one that fell on Kramatorsk yesterday was serialized 91579, belonging to the same batch as those that were registered as falling on Donbass since 2014.


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Каталогизация пусков и анализ применения тактического ракетного комплекса Точка/Точка-У в вооруженном конфликте на Донбассе Попробуем максимально детально описать каждый случай применения

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so what does that mean? my old eyes cant read that microscopic Cyrillic

 

[surfpunk]

BTR is pretty much a death-trap if you are inside when it gets hit.
Hatches are narrow as hell.

if they are attacked maybe the civilians will go flying off of it and be unhurt.... not that those guys would ever put civilians on top of their vehicle to keep from being lit up

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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if they are attacked maybe the civilians will go flying off of it and be unhurt.... not that those guys would ever put civilians on top of their vehicle to keep from being lit up

As a safety rule I would simply not go anywhere a BTR. Whatever the circumstances.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

so what does that mean? my old eyes cant read that microscopic Cyrillic

It means these were Ukrainian Tochkas.

Unless Russia or DPR managed to plunder the stocks of the Ukrainian 19th Missile Brigade (in Khmelnytskyi).

 

[surfpunk]

It means these were Ukrainian Tochkas.

Unless Russia or DPR managed to plunder the stocks of the Ukrainian 19th Missile Brigade (in Khmelnytskyi).

so this particular missile was shot down and crashed at the railway station. no false flag, juts one of those things that happens in war?

 

[thelistener]

It means these were Ukrainian Tochkas.

Unless Russia or DPR managed to plunder the stocks of the Ukrainian 19th Missile Brigade (in Khmelnytskyi).

What says the Tochka expert.

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[Fluff]

Told you:

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[Ivan le Fou]

so this particular missile was shot down and crashed at the railway station. no false flag, juts one of those things that happens in war?

That one in Kramatovsk, and the one in Chernihiv. And the one in Donetsk.

Pretty much each and every Tochka fired in Ukraine since 2014. And especially the ones fired in Ukraine since the start of the war.

 

[Fluff]

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[Fluff]

I'm just going to leave this here:

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[Devil Child]

On 16 March, Russian officials assured in their letter to the UN Security Council and General Assembly that Tochka-U tactical missiles are not in service in the Russian Armed Forces.

“… it should be noted that Tochka-U tactical missiles are not in service in the Russian Armed Forces,” the letter says.

Russian Tochka-U ballistic missiles return to service amid Ukraine war

The Russian military forces' Tochka-U ( NATO reporting name is SS-21 Scarab-B) tactical ballistic missiles are operational again, according to open-source-intelligence analysts who scrutinize photos and videos on social media. Belarus-based analyst released Wednesday video footage reportedly...

defence-blog.com

Appears there is evidence Russia has deployed Tochka-U despite official statements to the UN they do not. Article about a week old.

 

[Devil Child]

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New Bayraktar UAVs Spotted In Ukraine

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Congrats @CemalPasha, looks like Ukraine is proud father of baby-bayraktars.

 

[Telmar]

Donbass afiliated media was immediately aware of the attack and claimed a military equipment convoy had been brought by ukraine on the station. Which could make it a target.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

What says the Tochka expert.

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Would change the status of the Tochka from being shot down on its way toward its intended target to, the Tochka having reached its intended target.

Russian Tochka-U ballistic missiles return to service amid Ukraine war

The Russian military forces' Tochka-U ( NATO reporting name is SS-21 Scarab-B) tactical ballistic missiles are operational again, according to open-source-intelligence analysts who scrutinize photos and videos on social media. Belarus-based analyst released Wednesday video footage reportedly...

defence-blog.com

Appears there is evidence Russia has deployed Tochka-U despite official statements to the UN they do not. Article about a week old.

Except that the vehicles in the video are to 9P129 but Belarussian BAZ-5937 (Except that the vehicles in the video are to 9P129 but Belarussian BAZ-5937; chassis used for a great variety of things from general purpose transport, poontoon, AAA (OSA), radar/recon/radio station, etc...

And the picture you are showing is Belarussian Tochka, which is on video by the way (video showing the origin of the vehicles).


And also their removal from service being verified by the IISS:

https://slavyangrad.files.wordpress.com/2022/04/russia.pdf

 

[surfpunk]

No 152 mm anymore because it seems all shelves for that caliber are empty be it in Ukraine but also in NATO operators that gave all their shell stockpiles.
High Intensity warfare guys, it eats ammo like nothing else (incidentely, this is showing the true face of the war : it is not small scale infantry contacts but a highly mechanized war. Just that this is barely filmed)

does Ukraine need both 152 and 155? is it all just in storage or is it still being manufactured?

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Would change the status of the Tochka from being shot down on its way toward its intended target to, the Tochka having reached its intended target.



Except that the vehicles in the video are to 9P129 but Belarussian BAZ-5937 (Except that the vehicles in the video are to 9P129 but Belarussian BAZ-5937; chassis used for a great variety of things from general purpose transport, poontoon, AAA (OSA), radar/recon/radio station, etc...


And also their removal from service being verified by the IISS:

https://slavyangrad.files.wordpress.com/2022/04/russia.pdf

I can give the expert the contact details of officers who have worked with this Russian missile system. The reality is very different from what you learn from the books available...

 

[Fluff]

does Ukraine need both 152 and 155? is it all just in storage or is it still being manufactured?

Well none of the old Nato countries will have it. Just the former USSR and Finland maybe. Just depends if they made it themselves and still have the tooling. I mean its literally not rocket science, but UK for example only has one munitions filling factory now, in Cheshire, so capacity is limited. I guess they want 155 A because it would imply more modern equipment, and it would allow use of current stocks in NATO and anywhere else they can get it.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

I can give the expert the contact details of officers who have worked with this Russian missile system. The reality is very different from what you learn from the books available...

Serial numbers and inventories don't lie.

That's why carrying out that kind of research is an actual job. A tad more complicated than copy-pasting some random FB group.


But if it can reassure you, this one does, indeed, show a proximity fuse airbust:

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