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Well now that certainly wasn't a giant wankfest word salad in any way....
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Well now that certainly wasn't a giant wankfest word salad in any way....
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Yet still he somehow managed to compliment Trump for calling on Biden to remind Putin that Russia isn't the only nuclear power on the planet. Which is a thinly-veiled nuclear threat, isn't it? All that Tucker Carlson has been doing these past few weeks is pulling that "Let me tell you how it is"-face of his while informing his audience that the most relevant fact about the Russian invasion is that Joe Biden and Barack Obama made it possible (which is somewhat true but hardly relevant); that Hunter Biden's Ukraine connections are somehow at fault; and allowing his guests to regurgitate objectively false claims that the Kremlin wouldn't have invaded if it'd been given guarantees that Ukraine wouldn't be allowed to join NATO. The very notion of the American right agreeing with such demands is baffling to me. Kowtowing to Putin won't "make America great again".
Ironically, Carlson also claims that a different American leadership would've taken resolute steps to effectively prevent Russia from invading. So, which one is it? Biden was wrong for not caving in to Putin's unreasonable demands, but he's also weak? That's evidently illogical. And a different president would've been more resolute but not come as close as Biden to dragging America into a war with Russia? That's evidently impossible, given how hostile Russia has reacted even to token sanctions. In my eyes, Carlson's coverage of this conflict shows the deep political divisions within the USA. Your country is mostly busy with sorting itself out, I think, and that's way more contributing to America's ambiguous situation in this conflict than the fact that your president is a tired old man who sometimes forgets his lines mid-speech.
It's fascinating to me how the tables of turned; in the Cold War, the Republicans used to be the true bullwark against Russian expansionism.
It wasn't a cruise missile. It was a reconnaissance drone and most experts quoted in European media seem to agree that the "bomb" the Croats found was a built-in charge for self-destruction purposes. By the way, in the eighties at least two fully-armed MiGs crashed in Belgium and Germany respectively, killing one and causing extensive property damage. So, I'd say my point still stands.
Well, that's not childish at all.
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well, after 99.9% of us agree that Russia should not have invaded Ukraine, and stopped posting there, that would have made for about 2 pages of posts and a very very boring forum.
After that however, is all the nuances and shades of grey one would expect with a significant world event (and I am not trying to diminish the violence that is occurring right now in other parts of the world) and layers of culpability that may exist beyond the obvious.
So not really sure what you expected, but anyway I have always enjoyed your posts and viewpoints.
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go and read some of 'starbirds' tweets its like Orwell's worst doublespeak nightmare come to life, sprinkled with some logical fallacies...
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Agreed. As I said earlier Fox should stick to covering domestic news as that is what they're good at and it is what their audience wants to hear; how bad a democratic president is doing, just like MSNBC viewers want to hear bad stuff about Trump. In international news they're usually parroting Russian propaganda and disinformation or focussing on conspiracy theories instead of developments crucial to national interests that are in plain sight.
The way they cover Russia and the way they cover China couldn't be further apart even though they're both similar rivals to the US.
The way they cover Russia and the way they cover China couldn't be further apart even though they're both similar rivals to the US.
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It's hard for me to comment on what Tucker said since I don't watch regularly anymore. But I will try to catch his monologues on YT, though. I generally do agree with Tucker about 90%, however. And I don't think Putin would have attacked had the US had stronger leaders. I'm sure he was left astounded by the shear incompetence Team Biden showed in Afghanistan.
As far as the US trying to sort itself out. It is. But I'd want you to think of it like this. In the US there is a large faction who still believe in liberty and don't want to be ruled by overlords. Call them Globalists, Elites, whatever you want. I submit to you that other places, Europe for example, have already surrendered to them. Nothing to sort out over there.
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No point arguing as I'm going just from the memory: one of the crashed MIGs was after the pilot had to eject for what ever reason.
I see that as being substantially different to launching a "cruise" missile.
Childish ?
Well, it was childish from Germans to execute my grandmothers brother on the spot and from grandfathers side send some family members to Dachau "holiday" camp.
Only for new generation to hand over country to new Germany this time wielding with the wallet instead of gun.
That's me done with the topic on Germany from my side (f.ck them).
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The only thing that might have had a chance of blocking Putin would have been to put US troops into Ukraine, but the Republicans were against that too. If Trump had still been president (or any other Republican) would they have been against it then? I honestly doubt it. Partisan ideology/support/voting is not a one-way affair in the US.
We've fallen to globalists?
The US is the one who has been acting World Police for the last 30 years to appease the megacorporations, not Europe. We've only tacitly supported some of the stuff and mainly for misguided humanitarian reasons.
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Good Chechens, or bad Chechens, they all look the same to me……
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Add to this, the Arabs introduce interesting dynamics into this 'war of sanctions', since they're very much still plugged into the system.
So too the Chinese.
And they have deep pockets yet !
They can very well pit Boeing and Airbus against each other - and note that both are equally and quite effortlessly corruptible as well.
So, what do you get from all of this?
Arm twisting, for one.
And as you have correctly observed, Russian plane makers win, so too Chinese and Brazilian ones.
MRO is a huge market segment, and this could very well shift even more away from EU and even US.
I bet most analysts missed the Arab Force in this sanctions war.
...wonder what else they missed.
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They do as well from the IR sensor on a Reaper ?
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Opinions are like taste, and one cannot argue about taste. I hope that for the most part I successfully refrain from criticising other people's opinions; what I do want to criticise is how they form their opinions. And yes, I'm acutely aware that's a bit arrogant. But it irks me whenever I feel like people refuse to at least consider all the facts before arriving at their conclusions, whatever their conclusions may be.
I'm also aware that this blockade mentality is a byproduct of the increasing polarisation of Western societies, and I do think the left is to blame for this division. But since I consider myself a conservative, I'm more interested in what my side of the aisle does. And quite frankly, I think the right's attitude towards Russia (especially in America, but also in Europe) is a petty tit-for-tat reaction. "The enemy of my enemy", and all that jazz.
I hate that.
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See, what you're missing is that this clusterfvck wouldn't have had to happen. It's just an accumulation of poor leadership decisions and weakness which allowed Putin to even consider invading Ukraine. He figured, now's the time. Team Biden is feckless and inept. The EU is toothless. I'll do what I please, no one will stop me. Once you reach the point where 200K troops are massed on Ukraine's border, you've already failed.
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You need to eat less cheese, these wet dreams will, with time reduce.
There are 2 plane makers in the world, 1 us, 1 eu. There are some small players, you mentioned.
Yes, us and eu citizens dream of the time they fly in planes build by Arabs, Chechens and Chinese.
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Putin knew from the very start that the US sending troops or even implementing heavy sanctions prior to an actual invasion were unlikely, and he probably thought it unlikely that there would be such severe sanctions at all. The war/conflict weariness in the US because of Iraq and Afghanistan would have been the same under either administration and it was plain for all to see. Both candidates ran on the platform of bringing the troops home and looking at internal matters instead. The only difference is that Biden was more open about it where Trump's response would have been more difficult to calculate for an opponent.
I don't think Putin would have been put off by it, he is exactly the guy who is willing to take that risk and bluff his way to a win. Trump is similar in that regard, but would have had his hands tied with the complete lack of public support for going tough on Russia pre-invasion. Putin had no such obstacle.
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My Dad always said that, but in Latin!
The blockade mentality is the cancel culture mentality. It is a swift, almost-reflexive "King-hit deletion attempt" and it has many unforeseen casualties.
Hopefully, Muck, you'll see better posts from all of us as time goes on. I'm pessimistic, but there is always hope!
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