Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[Picanha]

So... The Mirror is working on behalf of Russia now?

?

Like the AFP yesterday? And the Ukrainian Minister of Defense? You know... because it was reported a military base in western Ukraine, where western advisors and volunteers were apparently gathered, got hit by a Russian air-strike?
Therefore... since it was deemed "detrimental to Ukraine" it was automatically labeled as "Ruskie propaganda"?

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China's answer to the US demands about China not providing military aid to Russia appears to be a "no".

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The wording is interesting though, "the US demands to not give military aids to Russia", which, in some media, got turned into "Russia asked China for help". Which are not really the same thing and do not imply the same things either.

You should remember that next time when shopping.

For example driving around in a Chinese car making a statement pro-Russia and pro concentration camp for everybody to see.

You endorse that then. Same goes for Russian oil and gas. All this money isn't invested then for benevolent goals rest assured.

 

[Mark Sman]

So... The Mirror is working on behalf of Russia now?

?

Like the AFP yesterday? And the Ukrainian Minister of Defense? You know... because it was reported a military base in western Ukraine, where western advisors and volunteers were apparently gathered, got hit by a Russian air-strike?
Therefore... since it was deemed "detrimental to Ukraine" it was automatically labeled as "Ruskie propaganda"?

Ivan, there is a difference between the way you sometimes disagree with the Ukrainian narrative, and the way some of these other posts go.

You do not seem to be totally sold on any narrative.

Some other posts do seem to have been sold on the Russian narrative. And I too have wondered at the "why" of some of those posts.

To show what the narrative shape is like on the Russian side? Because the posters actually believe that narrative? Because they actively desire to push that narrative?

At the end of the day those questions don't actually much matter to me as I don't think that anyone is going to change my preconceptions about what have led to this point:

Russia launched a war of choice into Ukraine.
The Ukrainians are paying a monstrous human price for this.
The Russians are paying a not inconsiderable human price for this.

The concept of "winning" against this backdrop seems the wrong question overall. And this question of winning may be why some of the pro Russian posts just seem to be using the wrong measuring tape.

Will Ukraine survive this as a state? In what way? At what cost?

Will Putin survive this? At what long and short term costs to the Russian people?

How does this change the shape of the world?

 

[Fluff]

I havent seen the videos, but was it parachute failures or the ejection seat failing? Ejection seats have a rocket cartridge that always need to be maintained and judging from what we are seeing, its not one of the Russian Army's strong points

Ejection seats are also very complex, so if they have been hit, they may not function. Who knows as to the truth.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

From Russia With Lies

Russia is waging a war of disinformation, propaganda and conspiracy – with willing messengers in the Russian public and on the British far-right, Sian Norris reports

bylinetimes.com

 

[Redav]

Let's go there

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[Ivan le Fou]

Russian warships have reportedly entered Berdyansk.

 

[surfpunk]

From Russia With Lies

Russia is waging a war of disinformation, propaganda and conspiracy – with willing messengers in the Russian public and on the British far-right, Sian Norris reports

bylinetimes.com

what a bullshite article.

 

[Fluff]

Kind of hilarious, and a bit puzzling, if not sad, that you are automatically assuming that if you share "Russian news", "not Ukrainians news", "not obvious pro-Ukraine propaganda", "anything that main paint Russia in a good light", "anything that may paint Ukraine in a bad light", etc... you are therefore a pro-Putin, Russian bot, paid by the Kremlin who, obviously, does not better.

Almost as if one had to blindly embrace and kowtow the "current thing" without asking questions or being critical.

No not at all. Marat makes his allegiance clear, and some of the history to that allegiance.

Some post pro-russian, with a clear propaganda narrative, oh all your western boys are gonna die...... hot news, Russian boys already dying -you want to talk about that? No...... Pure paid propaganda agents. Just like maridanios, cannot reply to posts that the mullahs suck- because they sign his paycheck.

Just a reminder that his posts started all about Nuclear, and the ludicrous idea that Russia would be fine, but the west would be destroyed(oooh be very scared, weak westerners, Russia is coming to eat your dinner), literally the day Putin threatened it!. Also a joining date of Feb 25th kind of gives the game away.

So no blindness here.

And to pre-empt, no butthurt either!

And I'm happy to have Russian sided folks, it brings overall more info. Just dont expect an easy ride, when its propaganda drivel, as you know Ivan.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Feeding the Bear: A Closer Look at Russian Army Logistics and the Fait Accompli - War on the Rocks

Editor's note: Don't miss our comprehensive guide to Russia's war against Ukraine. Russia’s military buildup along the border with Ukraine has

warontherocks.com

 

[Fluff]

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you posted these last night.

For a legion that got completely wiped out, they look pretty healthy.

 

[thelistener]

Never mind CT, they're tripping all over the place just to keep their narrative straight !
On CT, it is what it is, pretty much what you choose to believe vs everything else.
No amount of data can change that.

So... The Mirror is working on behalf of Russia now?

?

Like the AFP yesterday? And the Ukrainian Minister of Defense? You know... because it was reported a military base in western Ukraine, where western advisors and volunteers were apparently gathered, got hit by a Russian air-strike?
Therefore... since it was deemed "detrimental to Ukraine" it was automatically labeled as "Ruskie propaganda"?

not sure if you understand or not, our country has at various times both vehemently denied and tacitly admitted there are biolabs in the Ukraine that our government funds.
they have implied that there may be something in those labs that the Russians could use against the Ukraine, as if there may be something in those US funded labs that the Russians do not have access to in their own labs.
you should learn the whole length of a story before calling someone a useful idiot. Also keep in mind that if English is not your primary language it can be easy to misrepresent something.

I'm not sure if you lot understand, but the latest thing is to push the narrative that the Russia invaded in part because of these biolabs (never mentioned by putin before invasion) were a threat to Russia. This narrative went up few days after the invasion got bogged down and is now actively being pushed by Russian MOD (viral birds etc)

It's just a another attempt to try to excuse Russian aggression and culliple westerns that want nothing more than to find something to discredit their own western government apparatus eat it up.

Maybe you are not into these conspiracy theories you are genuinely curious of medical research biolabs that US funds but i doubt it.

 

[Fluff]

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Where are the Russians that want a free seaside holiday?

When this is done, will all the germans Russians claim to have been pacifists in Red Square protesting, and not crewing T72's?

 

[surfpunk]

Feeding the Bear: A Closer Look at Russian Army Logistics and the Fait Accompli - War on the Rocks

Editor's note: Don't miss our comprehensive guide to Russia's war against Ukraine. Russia’s military buildup along the border with Ukraine has

warontherocks.com

here is a much better article

https://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3381.pdf

 

[Fluff]

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[surfpunk]

I'm not sure if you lot understand, but the latest thing is to push the narrative that the Russia invaded in part because of these biolabs (never mentioned by putin before invasion) were a threat to Russia. This narrative went up few days after the invasion got bogged down and is now actively being pushed by Russian MOD (viral birds etc)

It's just a another attempt to try to excuse Russian aggression and culliple westerns that want nothing more than to find something to discredit their own western government apparatus eat it up.

Maybe you are not into these conspiracy theories you are genuinely curious of medical research biolabs that US funds but i doubt it.

I dont give a S**t about Russia.
I am genuinely interested in my governments attempts to circumvent legality and accountability by funding various operations in other countries, whatever form that may take.
you definitely seem taken with conspiracy theories, thanks to you I now know about some of them.
Which changes absolutely nothing. you also addressed NONE of the points in my response, and instead just set up more strawmen to take down.

 

[Fluff]

So... The Mirror is working on behalf of Russia now?

?

Like the AFP yesterday? And the Ukrainian Minister of Defense? You know... because it was reported a military base in western Ukraine, where western advisors and volunteers were apparently gathered, got hit by a Russian air-strike?
Therefore... since it was deemed "detrimental to Ukraine" it was automatically labeled as "Ruskie propaganda"?

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China's answer to the US demands about China not providing military aid to Russia appears to be a "no".

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The wording is interesting though, "the US demands to not give military aids to Russia", which, in some media, got turned into "Russia asked China for help". Which are not really the same thing and do not imply the same things either.

actually the Mirror was and still is the most left wing of our red tops, so kinda yes.

As to China, public opinion, and lack of $$ for Russia, means not a lot of aid is going to turn up. Ukranians being blown up by Chinese bombs, aint gonna happen. As to who said what to whom, who knows, not you, and not me.

 

[surfpunk]

Where are the Russians that want a free seaside holiday?

When this is done, will all the germans Russians claim to have been pacifists in Red Square protesting, and not crewing T72's?

how much you want to bet that all those "soldiers" from the 'middle east' drop their dusty AK's and leg it over to Poland first chance they get?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

I'm not sure if you lot understand, but the latest thing is to push the narrative that the Russia invaded in part because of these biolabs (never mentioned by putin before invasion) were a threat to Russia. This narrative went up few days after the invasion got bogged down and is now actively being pushed by Russian MOD (viral birds etc)

It's just a another attempt to try to excuse Russian aggression and culliple westerns that want nothing more than to find something to discredit their own western government apparatus eat it up.

Maybe you are not into these conspiracy theories you are genuinely curious of medical research biolabs that US funds but i doubt it.

Dude...

That's your own interpretation of the thing. And I am not sure you really understand everything either. Not withstanding the "it is yet another attempt at... blablabla".
You do not know that. Nobody does. Apart maybe for the media, since they have either fabricated and/or peddled a huge amount of misinformation since the start of this conflict (let's focus on this specific time period; but we all know the media have been making sh*t up for years, it is not their first time). They are probably the ones who know best what is true and what is not, ironically enough...

I haven't seen anything, anywhere about anybody trying to excuse:
1- Russia invasion of Ukraine.
2- Russia justifying its invasion based on the presence of these biolabs.

There is no real need for that "biolab mishap" thing to discredit our own "western government apparatus". Especially when it comes to the US f*cking sh*t up.

Anyway, biolabs, though never mentioned before, owned and operated by a country you are at war with and funded by another country that views and treats you as a hostile nation is, indeed, a threat.

 

[Fluff]

I'm not sure if you lot understand, but the latest thing is to push the narrative that the Russia invaded in part because of these biolabs (never mentioned by putin before invasion) were a threat to Russia. This narrative went up few days after the invasion got bogged down and is now actively being pushed by Russian MOD (viral birds etc)

It's just a another attempt to try to excuse Russian aggression and culliple westerns that want nothing more than to find something to discredit their own western government apparatus eat it up.

Maybe you are not into these conspiracy theories you are genuinely curious of medical research biolabs that US funds but i doubt it.

Russia will push anything, including look NATO is strengthening its forces on our borders (you started a war FFS), Nazi's, nukes, bio-labs, and many many more.

You have to cut back to the basics, who is attacking who, who is dying, who is helping.

If there were real bio warfare labs, we would have seen them by now. Same for Nukes, and Nazis. And no having a right wing battalion does not mean the Nazis are running Ukraine.

 

[surfpunk]

The Russian Way of War

https://publications.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/3381.pdf