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Please don't post this nonsense here.
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What on earth does Putin even mean by "denazification"? Isn't it weird the Russians bothered to specify most of their demands to some extent but not this? What did those envoys tell the Ukrainians, I wonder? "Denazification" – the term could easily entail anything from handing out questionnaires 1945-style to lining people up against a wall. Oh my word. I kinda feel trolled by Putin. He's arguably the most fascist incumbent head of state yet still he spends his days raving on how he'll rid Ukraine of fascism. Wait a moment, does this mean he aims to rid Ukraine of himself?
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I disagree @muck for three reasons:
1) we need comedy material
2) as outrageous as this is, we need to hear their own propaganda
3) some people actually believe this. shutting down their media will only confirm in them their insane opinion
Only after some years will people learn to take what comes from these websites, blogs, observers, street journalists and what not with some caution.
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I have no idea what Putin means and/or would imply.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the "most prominent" nazi "component" of Ukraine would be Azov.
So, considering how Azov operates, is allowed to operate, is funded, and so on... one could eventually posit that "if such an organization, with such a reprehensible ideology, is allowed to operate and, seemingly, to do so with the approval and blessing of the government, couldn't it imply the government shares, to some extents that should be defined, them as well?"
I do realize it sounds like "guilt by association", but I am not suggesting "because Azov is a neo-nazi paramilitary organization, therefore so is the government". But the question, in my opinion deserves to be asked.
I also know one of the counter argument is "come on! Zelinsky is a Jew!". Yet Azov also claims Putin is a Jew, and one of the prominent figure of Wagner has SS tattoos all over his chest. Which would be a fallacy, also in my opinion, of mistaking the individual for the group (Wagner) and the group for the individual (Azov).
The point being; maybe by considering the existence of Azov, how it has been allowed to exist and operate for 8 years, despite their clearly define neo-nazi ideology, Putin assumed the tolerance for such ideology in Ukraine was such that is represented a more "metastasized" issue.
Not saying that the case, just an hypothesis.
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"Kremlin considers Zelensky the legitimate leader of Ukraine".
Pretty shoots down the "Putin has a kill list of Ukrainian leaders and Zelensky's name is on it" argument.
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hell, and people were calling the Taliban backward ...
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This is WW1 stuff.
Are we to believe RU failed comm. 101 ?
Or did they trick everyone to light up, exposing their position and capabilities ?
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This might just be the Russians tentatively extending what they consider to be an olive branch. A species of moderate damage control, as it were.
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You should learn the word bardak that describes the usual Russian reality.
What does бардак (bardak) mean in Russian?
English words for бардак include mess, brothel, whorehouse and disorder. Find more Russian words at wordhippo.com!
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Good point, could very well be.
That and/or Russia trying to clarify its intentions since the initial "denazification of Ukraine" line is still pretty confusing as to what it means and entails.
Amusing (at least to me) remark regarding "Switzerland's first time ever breach of neutrality" by taking measures regarding the banning of Russian airlines and planes... Switzerland is surrounded, literally "landlocked", by countries that banned Russian airlines and planes.
One way or another no Russian planes would have been able to reach Switzerland.
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It's a lot deeper and sophisticated move than that......
1. calms everyone's nerves
2. pre-war political bardak collapses under its own weight - why waste resource.
3. Zelensky is effectively set in crazy-ass twist of a bind now - he can't just accept Putin's recognition of his, neither can he continue to fight.
4. He could pack up and leave - and it Won't be Putin's fault.
The last definition pretty much describes the 1st 3 !You should learn the word bardak that describes the usual Russian reality.
What does бардак (bardak) mean in Russian?
English words for бардак include mess, brothel, whorehouse and disorder. Find more Russian words at wordhippo.com!www.wordhippo.com
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Coming back to yesterday' s discussion about Slovak MIG's
spectator.sme.sk
Slovakia won't give its fighter jets to Ukraine, but may ground them earlier than planned - spectator.sme.sk
Neighbours may be asked to guard Slovakia's airspace when Russian machines are put out of operation.
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You know what they say about the need to compensate for something... Some people drive a pimped Porsche, others wear a lot of bling. Looks like Vladimir is into big tables.
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