Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[primer]

Germans should be buying Indian arms production, they have presence in places like South Africa. But they underestimate Indians. They are not in the paris thing and it is perfectly legal to fire up a line of furnaces with coal there.
No doubt the horizon will be the same as with China, that they take all their ideas but for a short period the money is good.

 

[Mike1976]

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[Mike1976]

Germans should be buying Indian arms production, they have presence in places like South Africa. But they underestimate Indians. They are not in the paris thing and it is perfectly legal to fire up a line of furnaces with coal there.

"dOn't yOu wAnT To sAvE ThE EaRtH?!?
#blm #socialjustice"

 

[Chazman]

its possible Trump is working his way down the list.

He has told the EU whats happening, or at least Europe's 2 military powers.

Next he wants Ukr to agree.

Then he gets Putin in a room, and hopefully applies the same force, your losing, kids are dying, if I arm Ukraine you will lose badly.

Or its all pre-planned, Zelensky has to show resistance to Trumps plan, for his own sake, and for the people of Ukr, then has to sign up anyway.

Next Starmer and Macron beg Zelensky to go back and meet Donald, sign the agreement, big weapon deliveries into Ukr, Putin gets summoned to some place to meet Trump and signs up.

Trump wants those minerals, and wants to focus on China. Russia is out for 10 years, at least.

Anything is possible. But I'm starting to think there is something to Mollie Hemingway's reporting on Barbara Rice over the last week.


You never know what Trump will do, but my guess is he won't be meeting with Z man again.

 

[PEMM]

You never know what Trump will do, but my guess is he won't be meeting with Z man again.

It depends on whether or not Zelenskys allies are able to make him kowtow enough for the O-man.

But if the US will not support Ukraine even with the agreement, what is the point for signing it?

 

[Fluff]

Anything is possible. But I'm starting to think there is something to Mollie Hemingway's reporting on Barbara Rice over the last week.


You never know what Trump will do, but my guess is he won't be meeting with Z man again.

I would think Trump would love someone crawling back. - if its all genuine.

Maybe all a game, like Blair needing to suggest invading Iraq again.

oh well, interesting times.

 

[primer]

They know Putin won't abide by the ceasefire. If they did they'd sign up for security at no cost and look fantastic to the nobel board

 

[Fluff]

They know Putin won't abide by the ceasefire. If they did they'd sign up for security at no cost and look fantastic to the nobel board

Logically France and UK know it, but offered troops - so I think that fails the logic test.

The only solution is to arm Ukraine to the hilt, and have more stuff sitting in Poland to be delivered the moment any Russian tank crosses the border. 200 Tuarus type missiles landing on Moscow would also be a bit of an issue for Putin.

 

[primer]

A diabolical German drone army made in India.

Ukraine can also more than match the cost of russian labour, having them make is logical aid. Such an easy way to neutralize them and not go broke.

 

[Chazman]

It depends on whether or not Zelenskys allies are able to make him kowtow enough for the O-man.

But if the US will not support Ukraine even with the agreement, what is the point for signing it?

I think the issue is that "security" means US troops to Zelensky, Rice, et. al, and Trump is clear about no US troops.

 

[Chazman]

Logically France and UK know it, but offered troops - so I think that fails the logic test.

The only solution is to arm Ukraine to the hilt, and have more stuff sitting in Poland to be delivered the moment any Russian tank crosses the border. 200 Tuarus type missiles landing on Moscow would also be a bit of an issue for Putin.

I could see French/UK troops closer to the front and US troops in Poland.

 

[Fluff]

A diabolical German drone army made in India.

Ukraine can also more than match the cost of russian labour, having them make is logical aid. Such an easy way to neutralize them and not go broke.

for sure, Europe could design it, have Ukraine making them, by the thousand.

Russia invaded because Ukr was poor, and couldnt afford to modernise its weapons.

 

[Chazman]

Oh, great idea......LOL!

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[primer]

That is pretty staunch though when a company puts morals infront of its income. Unless its woke which was clueless insanity.

 

[PEMM]

Norway fuel giant 'refuses to fill US submarines' after Trump-Zelensky clash

Norwegian petroleum giant Haltbakk Bunkers has declared it will no longer help the US Navy.

www.express.co.uk

I have no idea of the market. Does it have any actual effect, or will they just call the next guy on the list?

And how much do they even sell atm? I bet It's marketing.

 

[PegAsus]

its possible Trump is working his way down the list.

He has told the EU whats happening, or at least Europe's 2 military powers.

Next he wants Ukr to agree.

Then he gets Putin in a room, and hopefully applies the same force, your losing, kids are dying, if I arm Ukraine you will lose badly.

Or its all pre-planned, Zelensky has to show resistance to Trumps plan, for his own sake, and for the people of Ukr, then has to sign up anyway.

Next Starmer and Macron beg Zelensky to go back and meet Donald, sign the agreement, big weapon deliveries into Ukr, Putin gets summoned to some place to meet Trump and signs up.

Trump wants those minerals, and wants to focus on China. Russia is out for 10 years, at least.

This sounds like in an old german song of overcomplex manuals:

"All you have to do is pull the nipple through the flap and turn it all the way up with the small lever, an arrow will immediately appear, press it and it will easily open..."

I know we Germans are the masters of overengineering, but this looks like such an overcomplicated plan that I don't trust Dump Trump to pull it off.

As i mentioned much much earlier in this thread. As Dump Trump first said: ‘If I had been in the White House during that time, this war would never have happened’ my answer to that was: Yes, he would have sold Ukraine to Russia immediately

Some users here were very piqued by this. And what do we see now? How he is selling off Ukraine to Russia...

Now he's offended that Zelensky doesn't want to be sold off.

 

[Mike1976]

Norway fuel giant 'refuses to fill US submarines' after Trump-Zelensky clash

Norwegian petroleum giant Haltbakk Bunkers has declared it will no longer help the US Navy.

www.express.co.uk

I have no idea of the market. Does it have any actual effect, or will they just call the next guy on the list?

And how much do they even sell atm? I bet It's marketing.

They mainly do business-to-business bulk sales, marketing is irrelevant among corporations.

 

[Chazman]

This story is gaining traction. Some people have a financial interest in keeping the war going.

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[surfpunk]

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I dont agree with what trumpy is doing but if they are in violation of the logan act they need to be hammered.

 

[HorniePonie]

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Is there any proof to this?