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Every Ukrainian wants the killing to stop...The only question is the price.
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Should Zelensky apologize just in case? Might not gain anything but it would be a small price... This is the finlandization option.
Comment: Zelenskyi could apologize, because now he has to play for time
Zelenskyi has nothing to apologize for, but sometimes it is wise to evade.
Now that a day has passed since the historic verbal spat at the White House and emotions have cooled down a bit, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyi could pick up the phone and call Donald Trump, who is currently spending the weekend at Mar-a-Lago in Florida.
He could apologize. Acknowledge that there are differences, but explain that the whole thing was partly based on misunderstandings. Invoke a language problem. Or whatever. And continue to rub in the mineral deal.
He could even keep his fingers crossed as a sign that he is not serious about his apology. But that would be a good thing to do.
Zelenskyi would have little to lose in his apology but a lot to gain.
Yes, the rift was Trump's fault. He behaved outrageously towards Zelensky, and he is simply wrong.
Zelensky has nothing to apologize for. But sometimes it is wise to bow.
That is because it is important to play for time.
The cold fact is, as Zelensky himself admits, that without the United States, Ukraine is in trouble.
No one but Trump has the military, technical and economic capabilities needed to oppose Russia. At least not yet. Therefore, Zelensky would do well to humble himself so that the support can continue for as long as possible.
Trump is like a mafia boss who does not listen to objections. Therefore, he must be approached smartly and creatively, even if it means gritting his teeth.
Practically every Western leader who has visited Trump recently has returned with a brown tongue for this very reason.
Now is the time to swallow your pride and acknowledge the facts.
This would give Europe time to make the necessary decisions so that it can perhaps one day take the place of the United States.
Donald Trump's perception of the peace process in Ukraine is distorted. He wants credit for it and imagines that he can do it however he wants.
It would also be wise for Zelensky to play for time because there is a good chance that Trump and Vladimir Putin will still cross swords.
It is likely that Trump does not realize that Putin has no intention of giving up on Ukraine.
Russia has not signaled anything of the sort, but has insisted that, on the contrary, it is demanding more territory and concessions.
Trump, for his part, has hinted, albeit vaguely, that he also expects Russia to come to his aid.
Even Trump may realize before long that Putin is the one humiliating him and is an obstacle to peace.
At that point, Zelensky should not be in arguments with Trump.
It is possible that even then Trump does not have the kind of peace that Ukraine needs to offer after all.
But that would be the problem for that time.
Kommentti: Tämän takia Zelenskyi voisi pyytää anteeksi
Zelenskyillä ei ole anteeksipyydettävää, mutta joskus viisas väistää, kirjoittaa Ilta-Sanomien ulkomaanuutisten tuottaja Jari Alenius.www.is.fi
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The huge column towards Kyiv were sitting ducks. With a half decent air force with stand-off weapons or ground-based LRMS nothing would have made it out. Instead they retreated back into Belarus and there was nothing Ukraine could do about it.
Where all of these European planes have problems is that they're not stealthy and we don't have much of an electronic warfare capability either, we rely heavily on American jets for that. They'd be very vulnerable just as Ukraine's current jets are including the F-16s.
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Zero chance, Orban will veto it all and possibly other Putler plants too.
For the same reason you don't want to an EU army either. One veto from any member stops the entire show.
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Interesting. Maybe it was a set up......
"Zelensky repeatedly declined opportunities to sign the deal in Kyiv and Munich, and requested the meeting at the White House. It later came out that Rice and Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, and Alexander Vindman may have been personally advising Zelensky to do this meeting in the way he did -- that they recommended him to be hostile and to try to goad Trump into blowing up. Even though he didn't, and even though Zelensky's actions horrified many normal Americans, the Obama team went on the airwaves to falsely characterize what happened."
"Zelensky repeatedly declined opportunities to sign the deal in Kyiv and Munich, and requested the meeting at the White House. It later came out that Rice and Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, and Alexander Vindman may have been personally advising Zelensky to do this meeting in the way he did -- that they recommended him to be hostile and to try to goad Trump into blowing up. Even though he didn't, and even though Zelensky's actions horrified many normal Americans, the Obama team went on the airwaves to falsely characterize what happened."
Then you must have known exactly what you were voting for.
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"Pure speculation and you know it" written by someone making a living parrotting for Trump.
..and the Earth iz flat...
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Wall street has been plunging lately. Elon lost his lustre.
France got the biggest Uranium mine in the world, if Macron can get there before the Chinese. C'mon the Chinese our biggest trading partner. I'm joining with the Chinese trolls ..I can see where this is heading and I back winners.
Blackrock's commercial actors is a long line.
France got the biggest Uranium mine in the world, if Macron can get there before the Chinese. C'mon the Chinese our biggest trading partner. I'm joining with the Chinese trolls ..I can see where this is heading and I back winners.
Blackrock's commercial actors is a long line.
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its possible Trump is working his way down the list.
He has told the EU whats happening, or at least Europe's 2 military powers.
Next he wants Ukr to agree.
Then he gets Putin in a room, and hopefully applies the same force, your losing, kids are dying, if I arm Ukraine you will lose badly.
Or its all pre-planned, Zelensky has to show resistance to Trumps plan, for his own sake, and for the people of Ukr, then has to sign up anyway.
Next Starmer and Macron beg Zelensky to go back and meet Donald, sign the agreement, big weapon deliveries into Ukr, Putin gets summoned to some place to meet Trump and signs up.
Trump wants those minerals, and wants to focus on China. Russia is out for 10 years, at least.
The nobel peace prize..that's gone man. A prize for the contract to rape Ukraine. Ukrainians aren't idiots..all their bloggers now have more support for Zelenzky..even a ciritical one I said he'd vote for him.
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Who knows. Mollie is definitely a right of center writer, but she is a good journalist. She reported a day or two ago on how Susan Rice was privy to all the details of the agreement before it was made public. Certainly, Scott Bessent didn't give it to her.
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