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What you're saying isn't wrong but let's face it, FFG just got overwhelmed by the extent of that deal. It's a company which used to repair armoured vehicles, went to develop modifications for existing platforms (mainly M113 and Leopard 2), carved out a little niche for itself producing armoured engineer vehicles and exports like 30-40 vehicles in a good year. And not because they're hamstrung by anyone, but because that's what they're doing. Small is their forte. They're a small joint. There was no way in hell they would've ever been able to deliver 400 MRAPs in what, 9 months from the signing of the contract? Everyone should've seen this coming, both in Germany and in Ukraine.Seems to internal problems and bureacracy they have peoblems since beginning of the year.
Hold your breath...allegedly certificates are missing.
Ein Fahrzeug kostet 787.500 Euro: Deutsche Ukraine-Lieferung stockt – Zertifikate fehlen
Die Waffen-Lieferungen für die Ukraine laufen nach dem Ja aus den USA auf Hochtouren. In Deutschland kommt dagegen ein Versprechen an Kiew nicht voran.www.merkur.de
The vehicles are also very expensive in comparison.
FFG does other things usually but getting caught in ted taüe when people are dyinh is a no go.
But to be fair the Germsn arms industry got sidelened by 16 years of Meekrl stsndstill. No big orders and no plans whatsoever.
Arms suppliers should have been strangled even by not getting financial services from banks.
Or so was the plan of the peaceniks...until they got hit in the face.
Nowadays those longing for peace and telling to disarm are pure Putler fans and enablers.
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There are ways around that, factories that can provide outsourcing if there's a lack of capacity. For example VDL in the Netherlands has factories that produce vehicles for other companies. Another factory is going to be producing CV90s and upgrade packages for Ukraine and other export customers including the Netherlands itself.
The problem is the complexity of the German vehicles themselves and needing to produce them from scratch as well? The US had thousands of MRAPs surplus to requirement, some of which weren't even brought back from the warzones because it would cost more than they were worth. Buying and overhauling a batch from the US that were bought back, parked in the desert and forgotten about would have been far more feasible in that timeframe.
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Oh nooooooooooooo. "Trump is Putin's puppet". "Trump will surrender Ukraine to his master Putin". "Trump will hand over Alaska because he fears Putin". (Just some idiotic comments by idiots I've seen).
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Schemes like that were proposed to Washington several times, as far as I can remember. They mostly said no, except in a single case (some HIMARS launchers). I just don't understand why. Europeans buying surplus American materiel for Ukraine would've been a good way to counter some of the vile narratives spread by the American right about the Ukraine aids.
Sullivan is a moron. And, by extent, so is Biden. I don't mean his ideology by that (a story for another day), but his statecraft. A good politician is someone who surrounds himself with advisors of a different disposition than his own. Someone to bounce ideas off. Biden, however, surrounded himself with people who only reaffirmed his worst tendencies.
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I'll believe it when he does it...
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The problem with Trump is how erratic he is, a facet of his political persona usually overlooked by both proponents and critics. He says one thing and does another. His proponents praise him to the high heavens not realising that his deeds often don't match his words; and his critics take his often absurd statements at face value and don't realise that he's often more measured in his actions.
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