Warfare Russia/Ukraine War
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Regarding the Merkavas:
Majority are Mk.3 tanks, price is expected to be "several hundred million Shekels" (1 Shekel = €0,25). Two customers who are expected to want them as they are readily available to replace their own tanks. One being from Europe. I'm guessing Poland and then "resold" to Ukraine. Interesting to see which one the non-European customer is and why they need them.
Might be unrelated to the war with a country looking for a bargain to ditch their Soviet crap.
Majority are Mk.3 tanks, price is expected to be "several hundred million Shekels" (1 Shekel = €0,25). Two customers who are expected to want them as they are readily available to replace their own tanks. One being from Europe. I'm guessing Poland and then "resold" to Ukraine. Interesting to see which one the non-European customer is and why they need them.
Might be unrelated to the war with a country looking for a bargain to ditch their Soviet crap.
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Haven’t the Poles just made a huge deal with Koreans about their tanks and artillery?
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Could also be a negotiating tactic, to get the Belgium company to lower their price on the 100 leo1 they have…..
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Poland does not want to have anything to do with Israeli equipment anymore, as it comes with attached strings.
The perfect example is the Spike that is produced under a licence in Poland. Of course, the Israelis did not agree to deliver Polish Spikes to Ukraine, exactly as they did not agree for the Baltic countries to do the same.
As a result, Poland started buying U.S. Javelins on a big scale for our military. The Spike is loved by the Polish troops who like it better than the Javelin. It's also cheaper than the Javelin and it's more difficult to confuse its guidance system. For example, the Javelin homes on a source of heat. It could be confused by some random heat sources, like small fires, big pieces of hot metal, etc. The Spike is immune to that and you can change its target in flight if you change your mind about what you should destroy.
So, buying the Javelin is not an ideal option, as the cost is very high and the Polish economy does not benefit from that. However, your security is you top priority, while the Israeli equipment is prone to having an Israeli spyware installed inside and you cannot be hold by the balls by a third-party country like Israel. You are totally uncomfortable with being told by a random country how to use your system and who you should not donate it to, as this country delivers some percentage of a particular system's components to your factory.
The Israelis were banned from delivering any military equipment to Australia and some contracts were cancelled after the Australians detected an Israeli spyware installed in an Israeli-produced military hardware. I believe one of the examples was an Israeli turret for the South Korean AS21 Redback.
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That's for their own use.
"I'm guessing Poland and then "resold" to Ukraine" right after.
I doubt that. The guy has had them happily stored for over a decade. And the Merkava is by far the superior tank. Going into a Volkswagen dealership and threatening to buy a Ferrari if they don't lower their price isn't going to work either.
That's not how Javelin works.
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I'm just wondering if there is any one else, sitting on stocks of old tanks? Almost seems an accident that Europe still had several hundred Leo1's - as not many paying customers about, until Russia kicked things off. Egypt maybe has M60's? Didnt they have a factory? UK has 200 or so Ch2 that were 'off the books' but still stored. Greece and Turkey, as their mutual hatred meant they armed to the teeth.
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The stupid ones, yes.
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No wonder, when most of the population is watching tiktok shyte. BTW, Wagner and kremlin trolls are actively using tiktok for propaganda
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http://galaxiamilitar.es/el-gobiern...nos-seran-entrenados-en-aviones-jas39-gripen/
Ukranian pilots will be trained on jas39 Gripen...
Ukranian pilots will be trained on jas39 Gripen...
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Anyone ever see the movie "Force 10 From Navarone"?
That's exactly how they blew up the dam in that movie.
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Putain at his best (translated by DeepL)
At a meeting with leaders of African countries, Russian President Vladimir Putin told his side of the story about the peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine that were held in Turkey in March 2022.
According to Putin, a peace treaty was negotiated, agreed to by the Ukrainian delegation and initialled. The document was entitled 'Treaty on Permanent Neutrality and Security Guarantees for Ukraine'. According to its provisions, Ukraine would retain its neutral status and give up its aspirations to join NATO in exchange for security guarantees from the US, China, the UK, France, Turkey and Belarus. It was also to agree on the reduction of the Ukrainian armed forces to the number (of men and equipment) that was specified in the draft agreement. The draft stipulated that the SZU could not exceed 250,000 men and that Ukraine could have 342 tanks and 1,029 infantry fighting vehicles. In exchange for Ukrainian concessions, Russia would withdraw to its starting positions in Crimea and the Donbass. According to Putin, the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Kiev and Chernigov areas was Russia's fulfilment of its obligations under the agreement. The Russian president "regretfully" stated that the Russians had kept their promise to withdraw troops and then Ukraine "threw the agreement into the dustbin of history". The Russians also claim that the most important Western politician who urged (or even 'teased') Zelensky to continue fighting and not fulfil the agreement was British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
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At a meeting with leaders of African countries, Russian President Vladimir Putin told his side of the story about the peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine that were held in Turkey in March 2022.
According to Putin, a peace treaty was negotiated, agreed to by the Ukrainian delegation and initialled. The document was entitled 'Treaty on Permanent Neutrality and Security Guarantees for Ukraine'. According to its provisions, Ukraine would retain its neutral status and give up its aspirations to join NATO in exchange for security guarantees from the US, China, the UK, France, Turkey and Belarus. It was also to agree on the reduction of the Ukrainian armed forces to the number (of men and equipment) that was specified in the draft agreement. The draft stipulated that the SZU could not exceed 250,000 men and that Ukraine could have 342 tanks and 1,029 infantry fighting vehicles. In exchange for Ukrainian concessions, Russia would withdraw to its starting positions in Crimea and the Donbass. According to Putin, the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Kiev and Chernigov areas was Russia's fulfilment of its obligations under the agreement. The Russian president "regretfully" stated that the Russians had kept their promise to withdraw troops and then Ukraine "threw the agreement into the dustbin of history". The Russians also claim that the most important Western politician who urged (or even 'teased') Zelensky to continue fighting and not fulfil the agreement was British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
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