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And diplomacy's best chances of doing that job is if, militarily, the Russian invasion ends up in dismal, dismal failure.
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There's a dispute between the Polish and the German government, as the former expected to get the latest German Leopard 2A7s to replace the T-72s donated to Ukraine by Poland, while the latter wants to backfill the Polish armoured stock with Leopard 2A4s.
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Unlike the Czech government, the Polish one is not interested in getting more Leopard 2A4s.
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Ukraine: Streit um Waffenlieferungen belastet Verhältnis zwischen Polen und Deutschland
Die zögerliche Haltung bei Waffenlieferungen für die Ukraine belastet die deutsch-polnischen Beziehungen. Grund sind die festgefahrenen Gespräche über einen Panzer-Ringtausch. Warschau wirft Berlin bereits offen Wortbruch vor.
Unlike the Czech government, the Polish one is not interested in getting more Leopard 2A4s.
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A better question is: Is Russia ready?
Even more frontage to cover with their incompetent underfunded militia.
A nice Brückheimer at the end (superfluous fireball).
Meh just get them to pay for upgrading the entire fleet in a year or two. They've been bankrolling southern Europe for years, what's a couple more billion.There's a dispute between the Polish and the German government, as the former expected to get the latest German Leopard 2A7s to replace the T-72s donated to Ukraine by Poland, while the latter wants to backfill the Polish armoured stock with Leopard 2A4s.
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Ukraine: Streit um Waffenlieferungen belastet Verhältnis zwischen Polen und Deutschland
Die zögerliche Haltung bei Waffenlieferungen für die Ukraine belastet die deutsch-polnischen Beziehungen. Grund sind die festgefahrenen Gespräche über einen Panzer-Ringtausch. Warschau wirft Berlin bereits offen Wortbruch vor.
Unlike the Czech government, the Polish one is not interested in getting more Leopard 2A4s.
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Russia makes early debt payment dash to dodge default
LONDON (Reuters) -Russia rushed forward two payments on its international debt on Friday in its latest attempt to stave off a default that has looked on cards since its invasion of Ukraine. A week before the interest payments are due and just five days before a key U.S. waiver allowing such...
They paid in dollars after initially trying to force a payment in rubles.
I wonder if Zelesnky is now free to speak more rationally now the influential hardcore militants (Azov, etc) are captured and out of the picture.
He might be slowly guiding the populace into realizing peace probably requires acquiescing parts of the E, S, and Crimea. But it begs the question, how much is too much for the US, or too little for Putin.
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I don't think that's what he meant to say. Actually, it seems the both of you are in agreement:
And I'm in agreement too, and for the very reasons you just gave. I genuinely can't see an alternative reality where any amount of weaponry provided by the West would've dissuaded Putin from attacking Ukraine. @bald head & beard, I think you're simply ignoring the ideological component of this war. You're also ignoring the fact that the Russian government obviously doesn't give a toss about the lives of its soldiers.
There simply are no A7's to spare.
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Its not about the lives lost, its the prospect of being defeated that is the biggest worry that Putin, or any dictator for that matter has.
The better armed Ukraine was, the bigger the chance for failure.
In this universe we have seen that the policy of not provoking or trying to reason did not work. At the very least we can agree that it would have been much better if Ukraine started out in this war with M777's, Brimstones, anti-shipping missiles and trained crews than like it did in our timeline
Its the Ukrainians as a whole that want to fight this out and that its not simply Azov that is holding out. If anything Azov became much larger in this war and is operating all accross the east.
Also, any concessions made will legitimize the genocide of the Ukrainians on the conceded territories and will legitimize future wars of conquest.
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Seriously, there are precisely zero indications that such a thing was even possible. There is nothing in the Russian armed forces behaviour at ANY point during the beginning, middle or (presumably) end phases so far of this war that they have demonstrated any such ability to plan or implement such a thing.
A better supplied and trained Ukraine would frankly have mopped the floor against these bozos. A Ukraine with (for example) Patriot SAMs in a proper ADA setup would still have suffered somewhat from Russian SEAD/DEAD but there would be no debate on whether to supply them with replacement systems due to the need for training. Likewise the various other components that go into making a modern co-ordinated armed force. If anything, this (incompetent, inept and disastrous) attack represents an admission by Russia that it was "now or never", akin to that of Imperial Germany in 1914.
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Just a couple years years ago the Lima, Ohio USA Tank plant was barely holding on. Some nations were unloading MBTs or at least mothballing.There's a dispute between the Polish and the German government, as the former expected to get the latest German Leopard 2A7s to replace the T-72s donated to Ukraine by Poland, while the latter wants to backfill the Polish armoured stock with Leopard 2A4s.
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Ukraine: Streit um Waffenlieferungen belastet Verhältnis zwischen Polen und Deutschland
Die zögerliche Haltung bei Waffenlieferungen für die Ukraine belastet die deutsch-polnischen Beziehungen. Grund sind die festgefahrenen Gespräche über einen Panzer-Ringtausch. Warschau wirft Berlin bereits offen Wortbruch vor.
Unlike the Czech government, the Polish one is not interested in getting more Leopard 2A4s.
Funny thing, that. Everyone always wants what they can't get.
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Here's a little bit of information on the Terminator.
From a report found on Bitchute, they are arriving in Kamyshevakha for some sort of offensive push.
Much to my embarrassment, I had to look up where that is actually located, specifically about 70 km or so northeast of Donetsk. I'm attaching a map for those such as myself who are geographically challenged and need some help.
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From a report found on Bitchute, they are arriving in Kamyshevakha for some sort of offensive push.
Much to my embarrassment, I had to look up where that is actually located, specifically about 70 km or so northeast of Donetsk. I'm attaching a map for those such as myself who are geographically challenged and need some help.
Kamyshevakha
Kamyshevakha is a town in Ukraine and has about 2,310 residents. Kamyshevakha is situated northwest of Стахановець (Золоте-3). From Mapcarta, the open map.
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Moscow Margie! No better than Tokyo Rose or Axis Sally
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Or Psaki.
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