Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

Devil Child · May 16, 2022

Fluff said:
speechless:

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Clearing a minefield russian style.

Mike1976 · May 16, 2022

Chazman said:
If they are telling Russian troops that all that destroyed Russian gear is actually Ukrainian, but the Ukrainians have given them Russian markings as a psyop, then a pretty long time.

And by the time they find out that was a lie they are either (as good as) dead or a POW.

Joukahainen · May 16, 2022

"The army of the LPR took the village of Novozvanivka south of Popasna."
ref: Сolonelcassad

Hiryu2.0 · May 16, 2022

Hiryu2.0 said:
off , but.

Two days ago, the Hungarian President Miss Potemkin was inaugurated, and in her speech she condemned Putin's invasion, and you mentioned that.

Well, yes, the Polish president has a meeting in the next few days, and I suppose he doesn't want a bucket of red paint on his head from the Polish citizens.

Well, for the stupid Brusselsites there is Katalin Novak and Zsolt Németh, and for the true Hungarian tinfoil heads there is Kövérlaca. Fidesz is a real party of the people, telling everyone what they want to hear. Only to steal.
Panamajack

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The leadership of Europe's nation states and the EU has been taken over by members of a political party who would not be in their place either on the basis of their intellectual abilities or their moral standards, but are only poor imitators of their predecessors, László Kövér said on Hír Tv's Bayer Show after his party colleague Zsolt Bayer quoted the speech of the Speaker of the House of Representatives in Parliament on Europe Day, in which he said that "never before has there been such a gap between the ideal and the reality of Europe as there is today."

The President of the Hungarian Parliament said that the main objective of the European Union's executive body, the guardian of the treaties, the European Commission, is to destroy the economies of the Member States. The President of the European Parliament also made it clear that he believes that the introduction of an oil embargo would further increase Russia's economic resources, and that the EU is destroying the economies of its own member states by imposing sanctions against Russia in the interests of America. The Speaker indicated that he is not a geostrategic analyst, but it seems to him that many people want to take Russia down now because of historical grievances, but that they will not succeed, or if they do, they will pay a price they do not want to pay.

According to László Kövér, even a seventh- or sixth-grade student can grasp the fact that:

the Russo-Ukrainian war is in fact a US-China war, in which the United States aims to detach Europe from a larger geographical, Eurasian entity.

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he fact is that it is politically unrealistic to expect the Ukrainian government to make concessions, however dire the situation in Ukraine. They have won in Kiev, they have won in Kharkiv, they are attacking Izium and Vovchansk, they are holding out in Mariupol, but what would be the fate of the political leader, whether it be Zelensky or anyone else, who would say, OK, we will stop, so that Putin, who is slaughtering our men, raping our women with Chechen marauders, and completely blowing up our cities, does not lose face?
This is a very dangerous situation, where NATO has little to push the Ukrainians with, 'only' supplies. If new categories of weapons come in, it will be tantamount to direct intervention. The Russians, however, cannot retreat, Putin cannot withdraw as a defeated army. So everyone keeps doing what they are doing, which could end in a sudden collapse of one of the parties. That side is more likely to be the Russian side.
That's why the oil embargo would be significant. The whole point of EU (and US) sanctions would be precisely to give Putin a predictable path: every day you do this nonsense Vologya, it costs you this much. We can take it, for a year or two anyway, and you can't. So the purpose of this is not to collapse Russia, it is to avoid that.
Obviously, sanctions hurt the side that imposes them, so they have to be handled with care, and difficult compromises have to precede any new package. Von der Leyen was also here last week to get the oil embargo compromise. What Orbán is asking for is a very high price: a solution to the NER's current financing problems. I have written many times that the NER is for as long as it can be financed, just as goulash communism was for as long as it was a loan. The Orbáns know that in this situation you can ask a lot and they are asking a lot. And the fact that the end of the killing is getting further away every day is not Orbán's problem, he is only interested in maintaining the NER. If it's a dead end, then it's a dead end, money be damned.
Many people ask me what Putin "will" do. This afternoon, Dr. Chirac. I was able to say that I think nothing. Lovers? Orgies? Or drugs? Billion-dollar thefts? You can't fall for that here. Maybe some gay scandal, but Orban likes girls. What would anyone blackmail him with? By building himself a palace in Hatvanpusztan, in violation of all the EU's anti-corruption rules? It's common knowledge.
So I don't think Putin is going to get Orban. He is simply taking advantage of the fact that our fifth elected Prime Minister is a whore who also rides a horse for money. They know that in Brussels, and they will make a deal with him. In the meantime, the mountains of corpses are piling up.

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Fluff · May 16, 2022

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Would Sen King prefer a more 'Russian' system, where you write the orders after the battle? You were wrong, you suck.

At least the analyst agreed, yes we got it wrong, but in a good way.

Musashi · May 16, 2022

Helo down:

Hiryu2.0 · May 16, 2022

MAY 16, 2022 - 8:10 PM GMT+3

Turkey will not approve Sweden, Finland joining NATO: Erdoğan | Daily Sabah

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Monday said Turkey will not approve Sweden and Finland's bid to join NATO, as he criticized them for failing to...

www.dailysabah.com

Rumcajs · May 16, 2022

"Turkey will not approve NATO enlargement to include Sweden and Finland. Negotiators from Scandinavia do not even want to weigh a trip to Ankara." This was announced supposedly by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. It is time to start the process of exclusion of Erdogan's osman "empire" from NATO.

bald head & beard · May 16, 2022

Joukahainen said:
"The army of the LPR took the village of Novozvanivka south of Popasna."
ref: Сolonelcassad

There are Ukrainian fortifications just south of the village at: 48.57452117675085, 38.354294263758774 and 48.559367231859305, 38.36071947432561

It is possible that the Russians have taken the fortifications just north of the village at 48.59364140728992, 38.356891100893186 and have control of part of the village. The village itself is rather scattered houses here and there, so I am guessing the Russians control some of the houses near their lines and the rest is serving as a no man's land.

edit. My guess appears to be right. The Ukrainians are generally honest about the lost ground and they have not reported it, but shelling and damage to civilian houses were reported today meaning that it is still contested or the village itself became a no man's land.

Fluff · May 16, 2022

bald head & beard said:
There are Ukrainian fortifications just south of the village at: 48.57452117675085, 38.354294263758774 and 48.559367231859305, 38.36071947432561

It is possible that the Russians have taken the fortifications just north of the village at 48.59364140728992, 38.356891100893186 and have control of part of the village. The village itself is rather scattered houses here and there, so I am guessing the Russians control some of the houses near their lines and the rest is serving as a no man's land.

edit. My guess appears to be right. The Ukrainians are generally honest about the lost ground and they have not reported it, but shelling and damage to civilian houses were reported today meaning that it is still contested or the village itself became a no man's land.

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So this 'advance' is now being measured in singular fields? time to rerun the blackadder

Chazman · May 16, 2022

AtlanticFriend · May 16, 2022

Hiryu2.0 said:
The mixing of elite airborne units with mercenaries is shocking and would be the clearest sign yet that Russia has exhausted its available combat manpower.

Or that Putin does not trust his Red Army commanders all that much, while on the contrary the Russian merc companies are run by his associates...

bald head & beard · May 16, 2022

Azovstal surrendering or is it the just the announcement of surrender/evacuation of the wounded soldiers?

Connaught Ranger · May 16, 2022

Ivan le Fou · May 16, 2022

Seems like Turkey can't make up its mind:

3 days ago:

Turkey opposes NATO membership for Finland, Sweden

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday said Turkey did not have a "positive opinion" on Finland and Sweden joining NATO, throwing up a potential obstacle for the nations' membership bid.

www.france24.com

Yesterday:

Turkey lays out demands as Finland, Sweden seek NATO membership

NATO expects the Nordic countries’ membership bid will not be hindered by Ankara, whose concerns will be addressed.

www.aljazeera.com

Early this morning:

NATO expects Turkey not to hold up Finland, Sweden membership

NATO and the United States said on Sunday they were confident Turkey would not hold up membership of Finland and Sweden in the Western military alliance, as the two Nordic states took firm steps to join in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

www.reuters.com

Just now:

https://www.sunherald.com/news/business/article261477472.html

Chazman · May 16, 2022

HorniePonie · May 16, 2022

Ivan le Fou said:
Seems like Turkey can't make up its mind:

I have never been a big fan of Erdogan personally and this rowing back and forth doesn't really make that image any better in this situation. Even sitting down in a cabinet like adults and negotiating tight demands would be better than these mixed messages.

Chazman · May 16, 2022

thelistener · May 16, 2022

Chazman said:
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somebody seriously needs to deliver these guys hearing protection
It's ridiculous how they still have to cover their ears while using this extremely expensive equipment like those couldn't be delivered. Its slowing the operation of the gun in multiple ways.

TheKiwi · May 16, 2022

Damn that looks like a mess. I can see why it's claimed to have completely f****d up an entire BTG - probably more than one.

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