Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.

[Chazman]

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No one besides the US Navy can project as much force into the Persian Gulf as the Indian Navy., due to both it's size and proximity. As the US begins to lose interest in being the guarantor of safe global sea lanes, I think we'll see more of this from India. China has the most to lose by unstable sea routes, but the PLAN has not been able to project power much beyond 1,000 miles from it's shores.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

No one besides the US Navy can project as much force into the Persian Gulf as the Indian Navy., due to both it's size and proximity. As the US begins to lose interest in being the guarantor of safe global sea lanes, I think we'll see more of this from India. China has the most to lose by unstable sea routes, but the PLAN has not been able to project power much beyond 1,000 miles from it's shores.

Technically any country with a fleet could.

France could, Great Britain "could" (?), European countries with a navy could. But also, yes, India, China and many others (Japan, Korea, Russia, etc...).

It's just that none of them bothered doing anything.

And the US's current stance is to be, apparently, utterly apathetic regarding anything and everything.

 

[NebrHogger]

As long as Somali and Houthi pirates become deceased, I don't think it matters who killed them.

 

[Fluff]

Technically any country with a fleet could.

France could, Great Britain "could" (?), European countries with a navy could. But also, yes, India, China and many others (Japan, Korea, Russia, etc...).

It's just that none of them bothered doing anything.

And the US's current stance is to be, apparently, utterly apathetic regarding anything and everything.

Do you mind, UK et al have sent a strongly worded memo to the houthis!

 

[Mike1976]

Technically any country with a fleet could.

France could, Great Britain "could" (?), European countries with a navy could. But also, yes, India, China and many others (Japan, Korea, Russia, etc...).

It's just that none of them bothered doing anything.

And the US's current stance is to be, apparently, utterly apathetic regarding anything and everything.

This is not the same as the Somali piracy though, this is a rebel army supplied with ballistic missiles and long range drones by a nearby state. Not some unwashed engineers and doctors with rusty AKs in a dhow.

Any small(ish) nation taking action on it's own might well find itself swamped if Iran decides to escalate.

 

[m208]

What do you mean? There was no signal here. ISIS is perfectly okay with the chaos and death which Iran brings to the region. It's just that they hate Shiites. They hate them even more than they do Jews and Christians. In their world view, Shiites are heretics and deserve only death. From their point of view, why would they let a perfectly good assembly of thousands of Shiitic civilians go to waste?

its not a sunni vs shia thingy..... else we wouldve seen matching suicide attacks ..specially during "ashoura" time.... "isis" made sure to execute this attack during the memorial of the dead rat suli.

if it was a normal sunni on shiite thing we would wouldve seen more of these things....when was it the last time you heard of an explosion in iran that killed 100 ? its a clear/open message to the persians

 

[muck]

There was an ISIS suicide attack in Teheran in 2017, with some 60 casualties; next they attacked a military parade in 2018, killing 25 and wounding 70; an ISIS-aligned Irani group committed a deadly suicide attack against a police station that same year; and there've been multiple ISIS lone wolf attacks with some 20 dead on Shiia shrines and clerics over the past 18 months. Dude, just read the letter of responsibility quoted above. The attack was a part of ISIS wider campaign against Iran. The gathering of so large a crowd just presented a perfect target of opportunity for them. Plus, why on earth would they want Iran to end their attacks on Israel and Western interests in the area?

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Humza Yousaf demands the UK Government hold Israel 'to account' for Gaza war

The First Minister has been outspoken in his criticism of Rishi Sunak over the war in Gaza and has now demanded that the Israeli government take responsibility for the death in the region.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk

 

[m208]

There was an ISIS suicide attack in Teheran in 2017, with some 60 casualties; next they attacked a military parade in 2018, killing 25 and wounding 70; an ISIS-aligned Irani group committed a deadly suicide attack against a police station that same year; and there've been multiple ISIS lone wolf attacks with some 20 dead on Shiia shrines and clerics over the past 18 months. Dude, just read the letter of responsibility quoted above. The attack was a part of ISIS wider campaign against Iran. The gathering of so large a crowd just presented a perfect target of opportunity for them. Plus, why on earth would they want Iran to end their attacks on Israel and Western interests in the area?

ya and in the 1980s they had 200000 dead in the iraq - iran war.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

There was an ISIS suicide attack in Teheran in 2017, with some 60 casualties; next they attacked a military parade in 2018, killing 25 and wounding 70; an ISIS-aligned Irani group committed a deadly suicide attack against a police station that same year; and there've been multiple ISIS lone wolf attacks with some 20 dead on Shiia shrines and clerics over the past 18 months. Dude, just read the letter of responsibility quoted above. The attack was a part of ISIS wider campaign against Iran. The gathering of so large a crowd just presented a perfect target of opportunity for them. Plus, why on earth would they want Iran to end their attacks on Israel and Western interests in the area?

That would imply they have a broad perspective on things and are planing on the long term, rather than going for targets of opportunity.

Which, somehow, could be just that.

 

[Mike1976]

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[muck]

ya and in the 1980s they had 200000 dead in the iraq - iran war.

What are you on about?

 

[Fluff]

This is not the same as the Somali piracy though, this is a rebel army supplied with ballistic missiles and long range drones by a nearby state. Not some unwashed engineers and doctors with rusty AKs in a dhow.

Any small(ish) nation taking action on it's own might well find itself swamped if Iran decides to escalate.

What I don’t understand, is for Biden, usually deploying the military, against flip-flop militants, is pretty popular, in an election year.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

What I don’t understand, is for Biden, usually deploying the military, against flip-flop militants, is pretty popular, in an election year.

Following oct7 the US performed a HUGE force projection towards Israel.

I and others, I think at least, were expecting these deployments of carrier groups to end with some kind of actual involvement and practical outcome.
Turned out it was nothing but a big arms waving. Not even the aggressive kind.

They are there and... that's it. As if it was expected for their mere presence to deter any actions to be undertaken by anybody.
It went from a: "oh look! the US are here! better quiet down and make ourselves very small, or else we are done for!", to a: "oh look... the US are here... anyway..."

 

[Mike1976]

What I don’t understand, is for Biden, usually deploying the military, against flip-flop militants, is pretty popular, in an election year.

Enough wars have flared up already under the Dozer-in-Chief. Biden turning to isolationism for electoral gain? Surely only an unhinged orange lunatic would be so irresponsible! The stumbling career criminal will LEAD ...

... through complete absence.

 

[Mike1976]

Following oct7 the US performed a HUGE force projection towards Israel.

I and others, I think at least, were expecting these deployments of carrier groups to end with some kind of actual involvement and practical outcome.
Turned out it was nothing but a big arms waving. Not even the aggressive kind.

They are there and... that's it. As if it was expected for their mere presence to deter any actions to be undertaken by anybody.
It went from a: "oh look! the US are here! better quiet down and make ourselves very small, or else we are done for!", to a: "oh look... the US are here... anyway..."

Biden's red line which, just like Obummer's, only leads to chuckles instead of quivering.

 

[m208]

Following oct7 the US performed a HUGE force projection towards Israel.

I and others, I think at least, were expecting these deployments of carrier groups to end with some kind of actual involvement and practical outcome.
Turned out it was nothing but a big arms waving. Not even the aggressive kind.

They are there and... that's it. As if it was expected for their mere presence to deter any actions to be undertaken by anybody.
It went from a: "oh look! the US are here! better quiet down and make ourselves very small, or else we are done for!", to a: "oh look... the US are here... anyway..."

It was never about involvement ... it was about deterrent...... that if hizbola or any other party "egypt,syria/iraq,jordan" decides to get involved in the war ... only then wouldve biden given the order

 

[Mike1976]

It was never about involvement ... it was about deterrent...... that if hizbola or any other party "egypt,syria/iraq,jordan" decides to get involved in the war ... only then wouldve biden given the order

Not even then, his bluff would have been called and in a sense it was just like Obama was exposed for being all-talk in Syria. Biden follows the Obama "doctrine" to the letter. Hizbollah fires dozens of missiles at least every week without a US response.

 

[Fluff]

Not even then, his bluff would have been called and in a sense it was just like Obama was exposed for being all-talk in Syria. Biden follows the Obama "doctrine" to the letter. Hizbollah fires dozens of missiles at least every week without a US response.

Maggie and Reagan would have had a joint task force off Yemen by now.

And a very clear memo to Iran, to stop arming non-nation state forces, or else.

 

[Telmar]

Not even then, his bluff would have been called and in a sense it was just like Obama was exposed for being all-talk in Syria. Biden follows the Obama "doctrine" to the letter. Hizbollah fires dozens of missiles at least every week without a US response.

Enormous weapons handover and aid even though the Republicans and the Palestinian wokes are doing all they can to block any assistance in a very strange fellowship.

Should we get involved on the personnel level? We did lose many people trying to keep the peace in a region that does´nt want it.

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/30/blinken-biden-administration-emergency-israel-weapons-sale