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[BCNTM]

I knew that would get you pumped up.

locked and loaded

 

[Fluff]

the guy was far right and fed up with Liebour and his MP cosying up to the "relegion of peace" for votes

unfortunately for her he was a nutter and she paid the price

If you want to be disadvantaged in the UK just try being white, British, male and heterosexual

Same as the rise of the right in most other countries - like Germany and Poland etc. - some people are not happy

No problem with rounding them up, but if we shoot them who will pick the cabbages?

 

[BCNTM]

No problem with rounding them up, but if we shoot them who will pick the cabbages?

if we don't get out of the EU quickly you won't have any cabbages - as you won't be able to get them to germinate - but that's another story about peat and its uses

I am pretty sure we have an Eastern European for that (pick the cabbages) or we could radically do a work for welfare and pay them in cabbages

 

[muck]

So, Speaker Bercow rejected a another vote on Johnson's deal today. Some people call him biased, and they might be right; but at the same time, it's a mystery to me why the government put its unaltered bill to the vote again despite knowing it would be ruled out due to established precedent.

Oh, wait.

 

[primer]

EU Farmers of all nationalities are protesting EU regulations.

 

[BCNTM]

EU Farmers of all nationalities are protesting EU regulations.

only the UK stick to EU regulations - everyone else just does what they want - particularly the French farmers - cue burning tractor tyres

Germany is also good at it as well - particularly when it comes to car emissions

 

[muck]

EU Farmers of all nationalities are protesting EU regulations.

No, they're not; nice unrelated one-liner, though. If you want to wage in, please inform yourself.

The farmers of the Netherlands protest against a bill the Dutch government has passed in response to an EU environmental guideline, which exceeds the necessities of said guideline by orders of magnitude. You're probably not aware of the nature of a EU guideline; it's a law that doesn't say how it needs to be enforced, just what needs to be achieved. In other words, the regulations they protest against are on The Hague and only on The Hague. No one has told the Dutch that this is what they must do.

The farmers of Germany protest against a national referendum for biodiversity protection that they say would put undue stress on them and disregards their previous work for biodiversity. It's a mostly emotional issue; the initiators of the referendum, which are tied to Germany's blight Green Party, have been using fiercely anti-agricultural rhetorics as of late. And of course there are the ridiculous plans the German government is eying to appeal to 'Generation Greta', but they're a national solo effort.

At last, the French farmers protest (and have long since been doing so) against national regulation that makes it harder for them to sell their products (particularly milk) at a fair price. Or maybe they're protesting because they're French, it's difficult to tell sometimes.

Rural communities tend to be more conservative and are more opposed to the EU's globalist ideology, but those rural regions with a lot of farming tend to be overwhelmingly pro-EU. Hazard a guess as to why. No one bites the hand that feeds them.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

^
Isn't there also the fact that the EU is telling farmers what to farm and in what quantity?
All the while imposing quotas and national regulations, opening the door to "unfair" competition from other EU countries?

As far as I can remember, French farmers have been protesting against the Common Agricultural Policy.

 

[BCNTM]

^
Isn't there also the fact that the EU is telling farmers what to farm and in what quantity?
All the while imposing quotas and national regulations, opening the door to "unfair" competition from other EU countries?

As far as I can remember, French farmers have been protesting against the Common Agricultural Policy.

French farmers would protest about two rain drops running down a window

Just think of all the good they do for the environment burning tractor tyres

 

[Jake84]

French farmers would protest about two rain drops running down a window

Just think of all the good they do for the environment burning tractor tyres

Beside your standard “witty” one-liner, re-read muck’s post more slowly. He nailed it for the most part.

What he’s missing out (@muck) is that many, many farmers in France are selling their products - milk, corn and their animals going to the slaughterhouse without even having a tiny margin - meaning that their incomes are ridiculously low and they are living in debt.

Think about it: being a farmer whatever the country implies being up before dawn and working way past dusk. Forget about Ibiza, Tenerife or your fancy vacay and destination of choice. It’s more than a job; more like a life-commitment and hopefully a passion.

The tragic part about all of this is the number of suicides in France amongst farmers because of their work and living conditions, I suspect things aren’t prettier elsewhere, even in the UK.

As a farmer was saying here on tv tonight: if you don’t want meat and farmers in this country anymore; just tell us and we close up shops. Since everybody has to eat; even god-damned “Generation Greta”; it’s everyone’s concern.

 

[muck]

TheKiwi has said it best: The growing urbanization leads to a loss of respect for the achievements and contributions of rural communities. Farmers have received the brunt of the assault; that's what we're seeing, I think.

Isn't there also the fact that the EU is telling farmers what to farm and in what quantity?

You're referring to an environmental protection guideline that aims to decrease the amount of fertilizer ending up in the ground water. But as mentioned before – it's a guideline lacking the power to tell the member states what to do. So each country went down its own little road. Some produced better rules, others worse. However, the ones that put French farmers at a disadvantage were written in Paris, not in Brussels.

All the while imposing quotas and national regulations,

It's in the word 'national regulations', mate. The EU can't impose national regulations.

opening the door to "unfair" competition from other EU countries?

Truth be told, the EU is mostly engaged in protecting European farmers from any sort of competition. And whilst there's some strategic merit to that (perhaps we shouldn't allow ourselves to become entirely reliant on grain imports), if anything their policies are unfair to foreign farmers.

 

[BCNTM]

Beside your standard “witty” one-liner, re-read muck’s post more slowly. He nailed it for the most part.

What he’s missing out (@muck) is that many, many farmers in France are selling their products - milk, corn and their animals going to the slaughterhouse without even having a tiny margin - meaning that their incomes are ridiculously low and they are living in debt.

Think about it: being a farmer whatever the country implies being up before dawn and working way past dusk. Forget about Ibiza, Tenerife or your fancy vacay and destination of choice. It’s more than a job; more like a life-commitment and hopefully a passion.

The tragic part about all of this is the number of suicides in France amongst farmers because of their work and living conditions, I suspect things aren’t prettier elsewhere, even in the UK.

As a farmer was saying here on tv tonight: if you don’t want meat and farmers in this country anymore; just tell us and we close up shops. Since everybody has to eat; even god-damned “Generation Greta”; it’s everyone’s concern.

As I come from a farming family I know what its like to work hard - however the problem is that small farmers suffer whilst big farmers just farm subsidies - and this is what the EU has turned them into
I have seen tractors and harvesters that drive themselves cutting out the most expensive part of the process labour

I don't get much chance of much more than one line as I am working my second/third job at home at the moment and this and other sites are open on one of the 3 laptops I am currently using

 

[muck]

It's indeed the small business that suffer the most under any sort of regulations.

 

[primer]

Subsided or non subsidized, farmers are price takers in the marketplace. The main unique thing about farming is the way of life and the independence, the farmer is his own boss and its invasive when regulations are not only time consuming but margin reducing at the same time.

The rate of consumer and green regulations no other generation of farmers have had to contend with.

Its gone from normal practice about quality of product leaving a farm through the last two decades to quality control of all activity with in a farm...audits of drug use, drugs limited to vet prescription only , chemical storage, chemical usage, fertilizer limits, employment law, health and safety, animal welfare, food traceability, water quality from taps, ground water testing and more.
Much of it with fines and prison for some of it.
Its not only the EU , UK supermarket chains want to know what life was like for that pork chop in the plastic wrapper, possibly a happier life than that of the farmer given the high suicide rate among them. That pig only used to have to be fat and now it has to be happy and recorded. Every time it was give a jab of a drug its recorded, whatever it was fed is regulated, its home regulated and upon the day of slaughter processing each pork chop identified for a superior shelf space.

Its become a competiton between the greenies, consumers and the technocrat who markets the product as to whom can regulate and demand the farmer to fulfill proverbial list as long as the arm. They are not their own boss as they used to say they were.

That laconic image of a farmer is replaced.

 

[muck]

Agreed. I don't think all regulation is bad, and some ought to be accepted by farmers as a necessary evil; for instance, the reduction of the administration of antibiotics is very much a worthwhile goal. One of vital importance for our species, even. Neither am I in the wrong for not wanting to drink tap water that contains dangerous amounts of chemical fertilizers.

But there's been a worrying trend – particularly over the past ten-or-so years – to downright disenfranchise farmers and marginalize their way of life. And quite frankly, it's probably not just a clash of cultures with the unfurling lifestyle of urban utopists; it might actually be somewhat of a semi-conscious assault against what could be described as a pillar of conservatism.

 

[Musashi]

Were these people scared of BoJo making a deal or has the Channel become too cold? I'm confused.

Driver arrested after 39 bodies found in lorry container in Essex

Man, 25, from Northern Ireland, named locally as Mo Robinson, held on suspicion of murder

www.theguardian.com

 

[TIZER]

Corbyn is a spineless coward ... for 2 years he has been banging on about getting a general election ... he has been offered it on a plate he is a chicken sh!t ... apart from Labour the opposition parties are desperate for a general election if SNP, Libs Greens and Plaid Cymru vote for a general election without them the labour scum will cry they voted with the tories and that will be there war cry in Scotland and Wales ... the other opposition parties must call the commie w*nstain's bluff

 

[muck]

It's quite obvious why they're avoiding a snap election, I'm afraid. Labour would lose a lot of seats and require (as of October 21st) the support of the Liberal Democrats, the Scots and the Greens to form a government. That's obviously out of the question.

The Lib Dems, on the other hand, would lose all credibility with their own base if they helped to establish what might as well be a leaver parliament even though the polls seem to suggest a slight remain majority among the British people.

The current British polls (per Politico):

Tories: 36%
Labour: 24%
Liberal Democrats: 18%
Brexit Party: 11%
Greens: 4%
SNP: 4%
UKIP: 1%

Hypothetical second Brexit referendum:

Remain: 49%
Leave: 45%

From a purely career-oriented point of view, the current composition of the Commons is preferrable to opposition politicians. It remains to be seen whether or not a snap election is truly the best that Johnson could hope for, though. With a bit of luck, the Tories and Brexit Party could score an organic majority. But it seems as if the price for Farage's placet would be much, much higher than anything Johnson could cede without looking weak.

 

[Mordoror]

As I come from a farming family I know what its like to work hard - however the problem is that small farmers suffer whilst big farmers just farm subsidies - and this is what the EU has turned them into
I have seen tractors and harvesters that drive themselves cutting out the most expensive part of the process labour

I don't get much chance of much more than one line as I am working my second/third job at home at the moment and this and other sites are open on one of the 3 laptops I am currently using

And here we go again
You are faulting the EU for loopholes that are used by and to the benefit of big farmers and enforced by national services.
Subsidies are available for everybody. They are just highjacked by the big fishes. Because thye are greedy big fishes. Small farmers should protest their national big unions and big farmers, not the EU in this case ...

Just for the sake of accuracy, the EU subsidies money is given to each state and it is each state that is responsible for its distribution, regulation controle and balance/equality of treatment.
The culprit here is not the one giving the money but the one who distribute it and thes ones who intercept it to the detriment of those who really need it.

 

[riderboy]

As I come from a farming family I know what its like to work hard - however the problem is that small farmers suffer whilst big farmers just farm subsidies - and this is what the EU has turned them into
I have seen tractors and harvesters that drive themselves cutting out the most expensive part of the process labour

I don't get much chance of much more than one line as I am working my second/third job at home at the moment and this and other sites are open on one of the 3 laptops I am currently using

Well Black Cat, without farmers no food, clothes or booze eh?