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As I said, it would be better politics in my opinion for Ukraine to lean on this fact, not on the currently occupied territory or Crimea.
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It's this.
Anything less than full expulsion of Russia from Ukraine is political suicide for Zelensky. That said, Ukraine does not have the military capability to achieve full expulsion, at least not for the foreseeable future.......not to mention his forces will be significantly weakened if Trump pulls all support.
As the saying goes, Zelensky is caught between a rock and a hard place.
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FVCK ruSSia! FVCK ruSSia! and 10,000 times FVCK ruSSia!!, and FVCK Trump as well!! Glory to Ukraine
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Both are spent. Russia can’t produce a new strike force, Ukraine I suspect has weapons stocked, but knows the casualties would be terrible. Yes they can continue, to no result, or they can stop for now. As someone said Ukraine would be well advised to build 20 nukes that would fit on their cruise missile, and build strong border defense and a huge reserve army, drone army etc.
Russia will very slowly rebuild t72/90, and bmp fleet, rebuild some bears and the cruise missiles, and in the unlikely event they go again in 5-10 years, they will again lose thousands of men and tanks in the early days.
This is the reality trump is trying to chrystalise.
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Ukraine will build 4million drones per year, should be enough.
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Good thing is that Russia totally lacks the industrial base for anything more complicated than a T72.
They can build drones but you can't conquer with drones. You need feet on the ground.
Ukraine needs to stand firm to keep the Russians out.
The Restwest can very well support Ukraine.
And I think this is being prepared at the moment.
Look at the tiny numbers of aircraft they can build we are approaching 2030 remember Putler promised thousands of civilian planes by then.
They are absolutely not on par with the West in this regard.
Guess their military ac manufacturing is equally slow.
SU35S around 120 and 7 lost in Ukraine already.
Drones are useful but in the end it's heavy ordnace dropping.
If the West could just develop a better drone for Ukraine able to carry for example 500kg of ordnance.
Something like this not too big not too expensive
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They can build drones but you can't conquer with drones. You need feet on the ground.
Ukraine needs to stand firm to keep the Russians out.
The Restwest can very well support Ukraine.
And I think this is being prepared at the moment.
Look at the tiny numbers of aircraft they can build we are approaching 2030 remember Putler promised thousands of civilian planes by then.
They are absolutely not on par with the West in this regard.
Guess their military ac manufacturing is equally slow.
SU35S around 120 and 7 lost in Ukraine already.
Drones are useful but in the end it's heavy ordnace dropping.
If the West could just develop a better drone for Ukraine able to carry for example 500kg of ordnance.
Something like this not too big not too expensive
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Saw again a video of a scooter attack.
Russia is broken. Trump can go away. We manage alone and will succeed with Ukraine.
US goes down in history as an erratic untrustworthy partner not honoring moral values just money even willing to concede to the agressor.
Russia will never conquer Ukraine like that. Nor Europe.
Except and we need to prepare for that.
That they in secrecy produce lots of modern weapons for an attack on Europe and keep the good soldiers at home but then also not with combat experience or they rotate them in and out.
The Euro NATO part must be so strong that Russia receives unacceptable losses if it attacks.
Even if Russia has better equipment than what they use now.
Russia is broken. Trump can go away. We manage alone and will succeed with Ukraine.
US goes down in history as an erratic untrustworthy partner not honoring moral values just money even willing to concede to the agressor.
Russia will never conquer Ukraine like that. Nor Europe.
Except and we need to prepare for that.
That they in secrecy produce lots of modern weapons for an attack on Europe and keep the good soldiers at home but then also not with combat experience or they rotate them in and out.
The Euro NATO part must be so strong that Russia receives unacceptable losses if it attacks.
Even if Russia has better equipment than what they use now.
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The end was always going to be painful for Ukraine. The territory losses in the South are not going to be recovered, and not sure Ukraine really wants to rebuild the eastern cities destroyed by artillery.
I don't think signing off Crimea or Donetsk/Luhansk are political suicides for Zelensky. The people want to get back in control of their lives in my opinion, and Zelensky will essentially be judged if the conditions of signature have a strong potential for a lasting peace, and that all this does not start again in ten years.
Unfortunately, the Russians control way too much coastline for comfort, but not all of it. Strategically this is one of their biggest failures: controlling the South, linking with Transnistria...
As hard as it is to see, the fallen Ukraininians have not died for nothging if the future enables the economic development of the country. It is difficult to walk away from this deal. Not sure Russia will take it.
Anyways what a negotiation team from Trump eh? All the Ukrainian concessions provide no benefits coming from the Russian side: even worse, the sanctions will be lifted and they will make money again.. This kind of deal could have been done with any of the european "wishy washys' who to the difference of the trumpito gang would have felt a little ashamed of being such losers in the negotiating process.
I don't think signing off Crimea or Donetsk/Luhansk are political suicides for Zelensky. The people want to get back in control of their lives in my opinion, and Zelensky will essentially be judged if the conditions of signature have a strong potential for a lasting peace, and that all this does not start again in ten years.
Unfortunately, the Russians control way too much coastline for comfort, but not all of it. Strategically this is one of their biggest failures: controlling the South, linking with Transnistria...
As hard as it is to see, the fallen Ukraininians have not died for nothging if the future enables the economic development of the country. It is difficult to walk away from this deal. Not sure Russia will take it.
Anyways what a negotiation team from Trump eh? All the Ukrainian concessions provide no benefits coming from the Russian side: even worse, the sanctions will be lifted and they will make money again.. This kind of deal could have been done with any of the european "wishy washys' who to the difference of the trumpito gang would have felt a little ashamed of being such losers in the negotiating process.
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there was no negotiations, just capitulation.
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You know the devil is in the details. There still are stuff to discuss: navigation on the Dniepr that now is a border, navigation on the Black sea, precise demarcation lines taking in account existing infrastructure...probably energy transfer through the pipelines that could maybe be restarted (Russia needs it for Transnistria...) but it's just that a negotiation is always determined by where it begins and in this case, thanks to concessions made early on by trumpistas, the end result is what it is.
Footage of a combined Russian missile strike on the command post of the 47th Mechanized Brigade of the Ukrainian Army in the village of Korovintsy, Sumy Oblast, Ukraine. According to media reports, the missile strike was carried out by a Russian Iskander ballistic missile and a Tornado-S MLRS. The forested area housed a Ukrainian command post, communications masts, three mobile communications nodes and military vehicles. Judging by the video, the missiles hit quite accurately. Media reports that 65 Ukrainian servicemen were killed, including 25 officers.
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“I am not happy with the Russian strikes on KYIV. Not necessary, and very bad timing. Vladimir, STOP! 5000 soldiers a week are dying,” Trump said in a post on his Truth Social platform. “Lets get the Peace Deal DONE!”
In rare criticism of Putin, Trump urges the Russian leader to 'STOP!' after a deadly attack on Kyiv
President Donald Trump on Thursday offered rare criticism of Vladimir Putin, urging the Russian leader to “STOP!” after a deadly barrage of attacks on Kyiv, Ukraine's capital. Russia struck Kyiv with an hourslong barrage of missiles and drones. Trump’s frustration is growing as a U.S.-led...
Trump begging to Russia, being ignored by China... never knew I would see America simp so hard. Pull out of the deal already and just leave Ukraine to itself in the Europeans, this is just getting embarrassing.
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