Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[thelistener]

I'm pretty sure Russia doesnt want European troops on the front. So no security guarantees.

As I said, it would be better politics in my opinion for Ukraine to lean on this fact, not on the currently occupied territory or Crimea.

 

[Kassner]

Based on the information received about the terms for peace. If I was Zelenskyi/Ukraine I would accept.
If russia has issues with european troops on the ground that on them but potentially derailing the negotiations for territory that Ukraine has no means to claim back would be idiotic.

Russia relinquishes claims on the regions not occupied, no reduction of Ukraines military, frontline is frozen. Too bad about no nato, but never say never. I would be interested to hear, since EU is not off the table, that is Russia against deepening defense alliance directly between European nations and Ukraine.

edit. no clue how Ukrainians themselves feel about it. I did read that if Zelenskyi accepts these terms his political career will be over due to unhappy populace.

It's this.

Anything less than full expulsion of Russia from Ukraine is political suicide for Zelensky. That said, Ukraine does not have the military capability to achieve full expulsion, at least not for the foreseeable future.......not to mention his forces will be significantly weakened if Trump pulls all support.

As the saying goes, Zelensky is caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

Based on the information received about the terms for peace. If I was Zelenskyi/Ukraine I would accept.
If russia has issues with european troops on the ground that on them but potentially derailing the negotiations for territory that Ukraine has no means to claim back would be idiotic.

Russia relinquishes claims on the regions not occupied, no reduction of Ukraines military, frontline is frozen. Too bad about no nato, but never say never. I would be interested to hear, since EU is not off the table, that is Russia against deepening defense alliance directly between European nations and Ukraine.

edit. no clue how Ukrainians themselves feel about it. I did read that if Zelenskyi accepts these terms his political career will be over due to unhappy populace.

FVCK ruSSia! FVCK ruSSia! and 10,000 times FVCK ruSSia!!, and FVCK Trump as well!! Glory to Ukraine

 

[thelistener]

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[Fluff]

It's this.

Anything less than full expulsion of Russia from Ukraine is political suicide for Zelensky. That said, Ukraine does not have the military capability to achieve full expulsion, at least not for the foreseeable future.......not to mention his forces will be significantly weakened if Trump pulls all support.

As the saying goes, Zelensky is caught between a rock and a hard place.

Both are spent. Russia can’t produce a new strike force, Ukraine I suspect has weapons stocked, but knows the casualties would be terrible. Yes they can continue, to no result, or they can stop for now. As someone said Ukraine would be well advised to build 20 nukes that would fit on their cruise missile, and build strong border defense and a huge reserve army, drone army etc.

Russia will very slowly rebuild t72/90, and bmp fleet, rebuild some bears and the cruise missiles, and in the unlikely event they go again in 5-10 years, they will again lose thousands of men and tanks in the early days.

This is the reality trump is trying to chrystalise.

 

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[madmax17]

Both are spent. Russia can’t produce a new strike force, Ukraine I suspect has weapons stocked, but knows the casualties would be terrible. Yes they can continue, to no result, or they can stop for now. As someone said Ukraine would be well advised to build 20 nukes that would fit on their cruise missile, and build strong border defense and a huge reserve army, drone army etc.

Russia will very slowly rebuild t72/90, and bmp fleet, rebuild some bears and the cruise missiles, and in the unlikely event they go again in 5-10 years, they will again lose thousands of men and tanks in the early days.

This is the reality trump is trying to chrystalise.

Ukraine will build 4million drones per year, should be enough.