Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[Mark Sman]

According to his followers and comments it’s pro-orcish channel

That varies by day. When Ukraine is doing well, then he is accused of being pro Ukrainian.

I would rate him very very slightly Orcish overall. Not pro Orcish as in he believes they are right. He has been clear about that. Invasion Bad.

He is very slightly pro Orcish in that he has been questioning the line that comes out of Ukraine/US/EU a little harder lately. Sometimes calling outright BS on things they say. Which to be fair are on occasion outright BS.

He was extremely dubious of Ukrainian ability to launch a breakout style offensive this year. And also he believes that the current Ukrainian losses in combat effective personnel are unsustainable in the long term.

 

[Mike1976]

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[Musashi]

Allegedly, the Polish government cannot make an agreement with the German government about repairing the tanks sent to Ukraine in Poland.

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[muck]

Allegedly, the Polish government cannot make an agreement with the German government about repairing the tanks sent to Ukraine in Poland.

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German weekly 'Der Spiegel' suggests the negotiations broke down due to the Polish side's quotes which Berlin has dismissed as unreasonable. Allegedly, Polish company PGZ (which was set to be tasked with the Leopard 2 repairs) demanded payments as high as €100,000 per tank just for a preliminary damage survey, compared to KMW's offer of merely €12,000 per tank. (Source, in German)

 

[Hiryu2.0]

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[shonima]

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typical drunkard orc. reminds me of those hobos living by the metro stations, in a severs

 

[Mike1976]

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This coming from the army that lost 2,500 tanks and APCs to Western hand held ATGMs alone.

Please submit the coordinates of your barracks so we can send you some complimentary vodka that your S-40000 won't intercept

 

[Musashi]

His acting skills are amazing:

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[Mike1976]

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[Musashi]

German weekly 'Der Spiegel' suggests the negotiations broke down due to the Polish side's quotes which Berlin has dismissed as unreasonable. Allegedly, Polish company PGZ (which was set to be tasked with the Leopard 2 repairs) demanded payments as high as €100,000 per tank just for a preliminary damage survey, compared to KMW's offer of merely €12,000 per tank. (Source, in German)

Die PiS-Männer fanboy channels claim the Germans wanted to repair these tanks in the military plant in Poznan where the new K2 tanks are to be produced, thus making their production impossible. The same guy said HSW was selected to repair PzH2000s, while it produces Krabs and is to produce K9 SPHs in the future. It's hard to trust this source, but the guy explicitly said the Germans want to take over Polish military plants to get rid of the competition.

Furthermore, the former Polish Minster of Defence posted this shyte:

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Well, the elections are coming soon, so he tries to post something stupid about Germany.

It looks like the German government will strike a deal with Lithuania, so the Leopards will be repaired and serviced there.

 

[Mike1976]

Die PiS-Männer fanboy channels claim the Germans wanted to repair these tanks in the military plant in Poznan where the new K2 tanks are to be produced, thus making their production impossible. The same guy said HSW was selected to repair PzH2000s, while it produces Krabs and is to produce K9 SPHs in the future. It's hard to trust this source, but the guy explicitly said the Germans want to take over Polish military plants to get rid of the competition.

Furthermore, the former Polish Minster of Defence posted this shyte:

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Well, the elections are coming soon, so he tries to post something stupid about Germany.

It looks like the German government will strike a deal with Lithuania, so the Leopards will be repaired and serviced there.

He wouldn't be wrong about reducing the number of different types Poland operates though.

 

[Musashi]

He wouldn't be wrong about reducing the number of different types Poland operates though.

Yes, it would be good, but the numbers don't add up.
Poland wants to have 5 mechanised divisions and 1 tank division (we have 2 mechanised divisions and 1 tank division plus 1 mechanised "division" without any equipment) presently.
Each division should have 4 mechanised/tank brigades. Each brigade should have 4 mechanised/tank battalions. Each battalion should have 58 vehicles.
So, let's say, tank battalions would make up 50% of the battalions.
6 divisions x 4 brigades x 4 battalions = 96 battalions / 2, as 50% of them would be tank battalions, equals to 48 tank battalions x 58 tanks each which is a total of 2784 tanks. That's strange as fvck, as Poland is allowed to have 1700+ tanks according to the CFE:

Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe - Wikipedia

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So, Poland has bought 250 M1A2 SEPv3s that are to be delivered in a few years, plus another 116 M1A1s, a total of 366.
On top of that, Poland wants to purchase 180 K2s from South Korea and a further 820 should be produced in Poland, making a total of 1000.
The conclusion is very simple: a total of 1366 tanks is not even half of what we need to equip 5 mechanised and 1 tank division. Even 230+ Leopard 2s, that we still have, would not make it up.

 

[muck]

Die PiS-Männer fanboy channels claim the Germans wanted to repair these tanks in the military plant in Poznan where the new K2 tanks are to be produced, thus making their production impossible. The same guy said HSW was selected to repair PzH2000s, while it produces Krabs and is to produce K9 SPHs in the future. It's hard to trust this source, but the guy explicitly said the Germans want to take over Polish military plants to get rid of the competition.

Berlin is capable of a lot of fuckery, but this is just a load of nonsense. Battle damage isn't repaired on a production line. Besides, at this point the loss of Warsaw's tank order is actually convenient from a German perspective since it means that Germany is right behind Ukraine in KMW's order queue. The German Army wouldn't see new tanks for years if it had to wait for the Polish order to be completed.

 

[TheKiwi]

Yes, it would be good, but the numbers don't add up.
Poland wants to have 5 mechanised divisions and 1 tank division (we have 2 mechanised divisions and 1 tank division plus 1 mechanised "division" without any equipment) presently.
Each division should have 4 mechanised/tank brigades. Each brigade should have 4 mechanised/tank battalions. Each battalion should have 58 vehicles.
So, let's say, tank battalions would make up 50% of the battalions.
6 divisions x 4 brigades x 4 battalions = 96 battalions / 2, as 50% of them would be tank battalions, equals to 48 tank battalions x 58 tanks each which is a total of 2784 tanks. That's strange as fvck, as Poland is allowed to have 1700+ tanks according to the CFE:
....

Poland's current Mechanized and Armoured divisons currently have three (not four) brigades each.

Mechanized have 1 armoured and two infantry battalions while the armoured reverses that. The armoured brigades have 1 armour battalion and two mechanized infantry. So I think your total number of tanks desired is off, probably by 50%.

 

[muck]

UK not an Amazon delivery service for weapons to Ukraine, says defence secretary Ben Wallace​

The minister said "whether we like it or not people want to see gratitude" for weapons sent to Ukraine, adding that Kyiv needs to "persuade doubting politicians in other countries that you know that it's worth it".

(Source)

 

[RL64RL]

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The man must hold his town’s record for holding his breath . . .

 

[Musashi]

Poland's current Mechanized and Armoured divisons currently have three (not four) brigades each.

Mechanized have 1 armoured and two infantry battalions while the armoured reverses that. The armoured brigades have 1 armour battalion and two mechanized infantry. So I think your total number of tanks desired is off, probably by 50%.

So, it looks like they want to expand a division’s structure, also by adding a sh1tload of 155mm SPGs, MLRSes, anti-tank vehicles and attack helicopters. We are buying 96 Apaches.
I’m well aware of the current structure. Likewise, a Polish tank/mechanised battalion had 31 vehicles in the past.

 

[TheKiwi]

Most of those things are all divisional level assets, not brigade/battalion.

 

[muck]

@Musashi

Is my impression correct that Warsaw has no clear idea as to how to actually pay for all these acquisitions? And isn't Poland suffering from a demographic change of her own? With so many Poles living abroad, do you think this rearmament campaign will be able to rely just on volunteers (i.e. without bringing back conscription)? I mean, someone has to operate all these tanks.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

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