A strike by a Russian RBK-500 SHOAB 0.5 cluster bomb. The RBK-500 SHOAB-0.5 bomb with the UMPK kit was dropped by a Su-34 frontline fighter-bomber. The video was filmed near Orekhov in the Zaporizhia region of Ukraine. The RBK-500 SHOAB-0.5 bombs were accepted into service in 1969
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The comedian has just made a proposal that Ukraine could agree for part of its territory to be temporarily occupied by RUZZia as long as it joins NATO and the EU and gets a NATO nuclear protection.
I have never heard about a scenario with any country that has territorial disputes joining NATO. Ukraine could easily drag NATO into a war with RuZZia.
Anyway, ol' Vik and Robo will veto it.
I have never heard about a scenario with any country that has territorial disputes joining NATO. Ukraine could easily drag NATO into a war with RuZZia.
Anyway, ol' Vik and Robo will veto it.
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I seriously doubt Putin will agree to or ever accept what he's been trying prevent since way before 2014 and at very latest since 2022, to begin with. Just a guess.
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This is all game playing, for when the new headmaster starts in January.
“Look I’m being reasonable”
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I don't think he was just playing or trying to manipulate Trump. I think he's genuinely willing to 'temporarily' ( at this point imo even permanently ) cede territory in return for NATO membership. In the current critical situation, where Ukraine's defenses seem collapsing under the weight of the ongoing Russian onslaught, achieving such an agreement would be a stroke of diplomatic genius from Zelensky.
But its not a remotely realistic proposal right now. I think it would be more believable if there was a US ploy to flood Ukraine with weapons, since Russia "wasn't accepting any peace terms", regardless of how forthcoming they were. But we will see.
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He has already mentioned to Putin the US troops in EU as an anti.. since he is unpredictable it is a point.
Putin seems to keep a few nuclear mad dogs around as the alternative if he gets deposed to make him appear sane.
The sheer cost of war cant be lost on him, the reserves now emasculated future conflicts of the same magnitude and will be back to old KGB poisoning tricks to keep himself ammused
Putin seems to keep a few nuclear mad dogs around as the alternative if he gets deposed to make him appear sane.
The sheer cost of war cant be lost on him, the reserves now emasculated future conflicts of the same magnitude and will be back to old KGB poisoning tricks to keep himself ammused
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Taking some of the recent suggestions, and crunching them, I think we get this:
Fighting stops.
Putin keeps for now some regions.
Trade some areas for Kursk occupation by ukr. Straightens a lot of lines/defensible rivers etc.
Ukr can’t join nato, because of territorial disputes(suits nato and Russia)
NATO can arm ukr, and this is what we do, steady delivery of enough kit to ward off Russian army.
Air defense upgrade , and limited offence.
Eu negotiations.
Certificate of future support maybe, if Russia gets naughty.
De mil zone for both sides, 25km each side. Light infantry only on the border.
‘Rapid’ removal of sanctions but some sort of levy paid by eu to ukr(but netted out by cheap price from Russia for 5 years).
Prisoner exchange
Cultural exchange
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Again, Putin will not give up anything he already has, meaning crimea and the east part of ukraine (Donetsk & luhansk) unless the momentum or something really significant changes. The other parts might be negociated if the Tsar is in a happy day.
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Here we go again:
www.express.co.uk
Sweden and Finland internet cables severed in suspected sabotage
No culprit has yet been identified - but given the ongoing geopolitical tensions, suspicion inevitably fell on Vladimir Putin's Russia.
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This would work for most sane nations.
Not for a dictator with zero internal resistance who would issue a Nero Decree for his own country, never mind someone else's without batting an eye.
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to be delivered at a rate of 40 a year for the next 100 years, and lovingly crafted by hand, in Opa's basement only when he has time from making Hummel figurines.
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no, just no... started on a lengthy rant about how UN-timely/delayed/wishy washy drip supply of the Ukrainians is the REAL reason they are losing, and the fact that Europe cant seem to boot themselves into a war footing for JUST one or two things (like artillery shells) contributing to the same, not to mention the easily avoided side effects, such as no one wanting to join, or deserting, because its common knowledge that you may not have the basic means to defend ones self, knowing you will probably die in a trench because the west couldnt be bothered to manufacture enough artillery shells to keep up with the russians, who by the way, are about to start fighting with shovels and collapse, ANY day now....
I dont care how patriotic or nationalistic you are, if you know you will probably die trying to do your duty because you dont have the means to respond to the russians.
this was all easily avoided. its not even hindsight.
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