No not at all, please check this all tread. EDIT Russians are on the outskirts of Kiev if you missed that information

I'm following this thread .... but being on the outskirts (Melitopol, Kiev, Kherson) doesn't mean captured in my book
 
I'm following this thread .... but being on the outskirts (Melitopol, Kiev, Kherson) doesn't mean captured in my book
True. But they had to capture a lot of ground to reach those positins. Right?
 
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If they own up to their mistake, good for them.
Social media coverage is probably helping a great deal in keeping commanders on the ground accountable.
 
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This is "road war" 90% of all evidence of battles are on roads almost non ( apart from LNR/DNR front) from the field.
 
What is the penalty for these Ukrainian saboteurs unless they are killed in the action? This is high treason, shouldn't they be just shot.
 
It seems that RF reached town Tokmak about 50 KM north from Melitopol.
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What is the penalty for these Ukrainian saboteurs unless they are killed in the action? This is high treason, shouldn't they be just shot.
Probably just a small salary for their acting. I doubt that they will be well paid for those short performances.
 
Guys if you want to believe that Russia does not have fuel or food for their professional army and that UKR killed 3500 Russians out of 60000 that are actually entered Ukraina, i cannot help you. But if Russians are so stupid and incompetent how it come that Ukrainian forces are not in Belgorod or Kursk right now? With all of that NATO weapons?

Try to think a bit before belive in any piece o propaganda. This is a military forum so this is not a first war that any o us follows. You had contact with "official" statement before.
The Russian Defence Ministry said there was no intention of an invasion of the Ukraine - so how are we supposed to believe anything coming out of Russia - AND as for propaganda........... well I think the Russians have got a lot more than they bargained for
 
The Russian Defence Ministry said there was no intention of an invasion of the Ukraine - so how are we supposed to believe anything coming out of Russia - AND as for propaganda........... well I think the Russians have got a lot more than they bargained for
Yes both sides have propaganda and BS official statements, so?
 
This, and Russian MoD site getting 'hacked', bunch of kid soldiers sent in without compass and map...... the whole thing is way too smooth.
Putin is pranking NATO.
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'see, CNN gets to mingle with their spetsnaz like beer buddies, and by now, plenty of the above as well.
 
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Yes, "Die Zeit" reports it, too. The company is so far unspecified though and the option of sending a Patriot unit "is being evaluated". Germany is, however, already quite involved in the Enhanced Forward Presence battle group in the Baltics.
Let's face it the Jermans - Austrians and Italians to a greater extent have paid for this war by buying Russian gas

Just hope they are going to be generous when it comes to rebuilding the Ukraine

NATO countries also need to step up and increase their Military funding
 
Russian tank crew POWS
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