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In war it is unavoidable to be "using it without losing it" some of the time. Hopefully, they are inflicting even more pain on the Russians and there are indications that is indeed the fact.
As another poster pointed out with photos of smashed Shermans, even the victors suffer tragic loss. That's why Putin needs to be punished severely for his unnecessary war. The tragedy and human suffering is on his head.
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I think Ukraine does have sufficient equipment in case it sees the need to go on a large sized offensive. For now they might see which Russian front breaks first and then use the ensuing chaos (an orderly Russian retreat has hardly been seen in this war) to capture larger swathes of land.
I am pretty sure we haven't seen their true offensive potential yet.
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uh. Nazi Wochenschau was a more reliable source of information than that. I am still not sure whether this is some sort of comedy produced in Ukraine for the lols or real Russian copium ...
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its gonna happen... one thing I dont like, is that all these recent videos I have seen of damaged/destroyed equipment, the vehicles are always clustered very close together.
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it's good to remember that all these recent videos are of the same grouping from different angles.
One week after the start and thats all of the footage that Russia keeps touting
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One explanation, which I base on the video posted before with the Bradleys picking up dismounts and crew of the other Bradley.
Maybe the vehicles were used to cover the retreat of the troops?
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Here you go
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no, the videos and photos I have seen are separate locations. and they are not from pro russia sources either.
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thats good. even though they were mobility kills, apparently they now control the territory and the access to those vehicles.... that would seem to imply that they were not stopped there, they were able to keep pushing....
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Exactly. I don't think they captured squat. I'll believe it when I see a leopard hooked up to a Russian ARV driving off. Great big difference between private conscriptovich hopping out of the trench to film a 30 second video and actually dragging off a bunch of tanks and Bradley's that are ostensibly in the middle of a minefield. As someone who has done armored recovery I call bullshit.
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I have seen a RuZZian video with dead lying besides the tanks. But the vids make the impression of having been taken by only a small group and it seemed as if they weren't safe there.
So maybe totally possible that the AFU now controls the territory.
So maybe totally possible that the AFU now controls the territory.
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Regardless the vehicles are out of action.
A lot of mobility kills through AT mines in both actions it seems.
I'm not sure if I'm the only one that notices this, but whenever you see reports of Ukrainian units it's of "assault [unit]", "artillery [unit]", "tank[unit]". The kind you never read about is "recon element/platoon/company".
Identically to russia Ukraines idea of recon still seems to be the same as it was during the USSR.
- Send company towards enemy
- Unit is stopped/destroyed
- Keep sending another company until successful
Imo this is at least partially attributable to attrition. Many of the properly trained (no 3 week rushed light infantry course in the UK) & experienced troops pool built up through western training since 2014 are gone and replaced by people trained pre-2014 and complete novices. Larger Ukrainian formations are making mistakes that they didn't at the start of the war and which they didn't make during the summer offensive last year.
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Building upon this, the initial (first) losses of the Leopard and Bradleys:
I've seen it reported/repeated many times that the footage is from the unit while they were maneuvering upon the objective in daylight. All of those vehicles have world class thermal optics, and a lot of individual NODs have been sent. Russia severely lacks all of this.
None of that advantage is used. Instead they drive over a single road with unmapped mine fields on both sides in broad f*cking daylight and without SHORAD cover (vehicles like the Avenger and MANPADS were sent but I guess protecting the HQ with three times the amount needed or an oligarch's mansion/factory/wh*rehouse was more important) while the mine clearance vehicles that were sent are also no where to be seen and the engineer vehicles are acting as moral support teddys. If all of these types of vehicles are going to be needed anywhere it's at the initial breeching point where the mine fields and other obstacles will be present in the greatest density protecting the formations with the most capable vehicles in the entire army.
An absolute clown fest no matter how many vehicles may have been salvaged.
I've seen it reported/repeated many times that the footage is from the unit while they were maneuvering upon the objective in daylight. All of those vehicles have world class thermal optics, and a lot of individual NODs have been sent. Russia severely lacks all of this.
None of that advantage is used. Instead they drive over a single road with unmapped mine fields on both sides in broad f*cking daylight and without SHORAD cover (vehicles like the Avenger and MANPADS were sent but I guess protecting the HQ with three times the amount needed or an oligarch's mansion/factory/wh*rehouse was more important) while the mine clearance vehicles that were sent are also no where to be seen and the engineer vehicles are acting as moral support teddys. If all of these types of vehicles are going to be needed anywhere it's at the initial breeching point where the mine fields and other obstacles will be present in the greatest density protecting the formations with the most capable vehicles in the entire army.
An absolute clown fest no matter how many vehicles may have been salvaged.
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its frustrating... I keep hoping there is more to it that is positive that isnt getting out yet and maybe we arent getting a complete picture.... I do think one of the very recent Ukrainian counter attacks WAS done at night, and the russians actually defended like trained troops. isnt the video from the ka52 attacking bradleys at night?
but yes, I have been wondering why they dont seem to have made any big pushes at night. they need every advantage they can get.
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You raise some uncomfortable points, unfortunately lessons need to be learned and it costs lives.
There are people in those vehicles. Hopefully they learn.
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