Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.

The launch sites are probably on the list, I suppose.
Operatives as well, though they likely are in hiding at the moment.

Oil sites wouldn't make much sense though. At least in term of response, that would look rather weak and "lame".
The launch sites are open desert, the launchers are kept in man-made caves in the Zagros mountains and only driven out into position prior to launch.

Not if it's part of a larger response that affects other parts of the regime. For example oil is their largest source of foreign currency.

How the population reacts to that is a guess. IIRC they've had petrol shortages and bad harvests(oil -> fertilizer?) before which lead to civil unrest.

That could lead to another Syria because I'm not sure how much support the opposition truly has among the wider population and appointing an interim government backed by the US is problematic as they'd be seen as the puppet of a hostile power (less than 10% of a population thinking they're going straight to paradise is enough to start a civil war). Doing it through the UN is impossible because Russia and/or China would veto it because they'd lose influence and in case of Russia their arms supplies, at least temporarily.

My bet besides the already mentioned nuclear weapons sites, air defences, government, secret police and IRGC targets: C6ISR and armaments factories.

C6ISR
Command, control, communications, computers, cyber-defense, combat systems (C6), intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR).

Iran has targeted Israeli government, military, (military) industry and economic locations, so it's all justifiable from a legal POV to do the same.
 
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I've been wondering during the last days how Israeli attack on Iran will look like. Lets speculate.
Bunch of premises to build on:
1. Long term strategic goals - severely compromising nuclear program (unrealistic to destroy completely) and weakening the regime at least enough to make it disengage from the Israel geopolitical arena at least for the near future.
2. Must be devastating enough to prevent short/mid-term retaliation against Israel and broader coalition (moderate Arabs and US assets).
3. Time frame is very limited - US election is a deadline. I wouldn't be surprised if IL gov. decides October 7th would be a good day for this - the sheer symbolic meaning of this will have an awesome resonance.

How:
1. Overwhelming cyber + kinetic attack against means of communications for the whole country. I mean a complete blackout - no internet, no landlines, no cellular, no TV, no radio, nothing at all. Think Hezbollah beeper + later comms attacks x 1000.
2. Kinetic attack against key energy and nuclear facilities.
3. Decapitating the IRGC Hezbollah style - they are also in charge of the missile force.
4. Blocking sea and airports either via kinetic and cyber means.
5. Aggressive posturing by US and allies to prevent any thought of retaliation.

If the goal includes also complete collapse of the regime (admittedly, overtly optimistic scenario):
5. Wiping out the banking system and all the gov. electronic records (or at least preventing access to) - complete civil chaos.
6. Decapitating the regime itself in addition to IRGC top brass, including the ayatollahs. Not military though, which might play later a role in the regime change (the crown prince already made calls to the military, which I found interesting).
7. Simultaneous attack by the sleeper cells in Tehran to capture the centers of power, and mass rebellion in the anti-regime provinces (the Kurds, Baluchis, Arabs, Azeris etc).

Thoughts?

I was talking to my friend in Hadera this afternoon, he's an IDF reserve, semi-retired, C4i Corps. These are his personal thoughts:

An attack on October 7th however symbolic is bad because:

a) Iran will be thinking that an attack could come on that day and will boost their defences and alert status.

b) Israel will be on high alert for any potential attacks waged on the anniversary of "Al-Aqsa Flood".

Israel is better to strike in order to do the most damage to the enemy rather than a strike with any kind of symbolism.

Degrees of attack form would be three tiered:

1) Mild response - Attack on the nuclear facilities; destruction of any potential nuclear weapon production capabilities and enrichment of Yellowcake at Natanz and Isfahan, perhaps others.

2) Medium response - Destruction of oil infrastructure which includes refinement, transportation causing severe economic damage that will do more than sanctions ever could.

3) Severe response - A strike to eliminate Khamanei himself, leading to the potential overthrow of the Islamic Republic.

He personally believes that the mild response is the most likely for these reasons:

a) No alienation of civilians.

b) Iran has proven that it can deliver warheads to Israel, this is the perfect justification to make sure these can never go nuclear.

c) Justification to hit nuclear facilities comes "once in a life time". Back when Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities there was worldwide condemnation including allies. Then the Gulf War happened and everybody realised how fortunate it was that Saddam didn't have nuclear capability.

If key nuclear sites can he harmed in the same way as Hezbollah HQ, it would be an adequate response and comes with a "Hasbara friendly" justification:

"Iran launched ICBMs at the state of Israel, with some penetrating air defences and causing damage. Therefore we are perfectly justified in making sure that these missiles will never be equipped with a nuclear payload."

Thinks is over-ambitious to assume that the current cabinet would activate Mossad assets in a relatiatory manner, unless it was absolutely necessary (given how hugely valuable said assets would be), in such a situation where the goal was to literally overthrow the regime entirely.

A massive cyber attack which collapses Iran's civilisation will be a harder sell too, and would expose a lot of assets, only for Iran to learn from such a incident and apply fixes. Again it would be better to save this for when the day comes to remove the Ayatollah.

He also says that any kind of response should potentially have the Saudis on board to use their air space officially (for the much needed refueling and helping towards the building of friendly relations etc).

Of course none of this takes into account Iran's response to any such action of retaliation, only what should/could be done in the immediate answer to yesterday's brazen assault on the country.

The Cabinet could completely surprise everyone and decide to take out the regime itself. No one could have predicted the pager explosions and wiping out Hezbollah's Command and Control abilities in a few days, we're in uncharted territory right now...
 
An attack on October 7th however symbolic is bad because:
Imo the MSM would immediately seize this opportunity to wipe what little the mainstream audience was told of Oct. 7 from public consciousness by making it "the day of the disproportionate response to the Iranian support of the Lebanese people suffering from a vicious unprovoked onslaught on women and children".

Never underestimate the rats.

The Cabinet could completely surprise everyone and decide to take out the regime itself. No one could have predicted the pager explosions and wiping out Hezbollah's Command and Control abilities in a few days, we're in uncharted territory right now...
The pager explosions were used as part of an already clear plan to address Hezbollah after Hamas in Gaza had mostly been reduced (at least I think everyone here all assumed ground operations would take place at some point). Using airpower to achieve the same initial stunning effect would have cidt more and caused much more collateral damage. Some say it was accelerated because Hezbollah was catching on to something being wrong with the electronic devices. "Use it or lose it".
 

Lev Kreitman, who helped rescue wounded revelers at the Nova music festival on October 7, shot one of the terrorists during last night’s deadly terror attack in Jaffa.

Kreitman tells the Ynet news site that he had returned home shortly before the attack to grab his rifle and was at a local schnitzel shop in Jaffa when he heard gunshots.

He pulled out his weapon and went outside, understanding right away that a terror attack was unfolding, he tells Ynet.

Kreitman saw a man wearing an Israel Police hat who also had his rifle out and the two began looking for the attackers.

Upon hearing another round of gunshots, he spotted the assailants at the Jaffa light rail station, next to the bodies of several of their victims.

At this point, he sent a voice note to a group chat of his army friends updating them on what was unfolding and that he was about to engage.

The terrorists split up, and one of them headed in the direction of Kreitman, and the police officer in civilian clothes. Kreitman managed to surprise the terrorist from the side, firing at him and striking him. The assailant briefly fled before falling to the ground.

This man is a true hero twice over, huge respect! 👏
 
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I know they're fanatics but man, they really seem like they don't want to exist anymore...
 
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Not a good start. Probably an ambush.
I have a feeling some people in IDF got a little too much confidence from the recent successes.
 
I was talking to my friend in Hadera this afternoon, he's an IDF reserve, semi-retired, C4i Corps. These are his personal thoughts:

An attack on October 7th however symbolic is bad because:

a) Iran will be thinking that an attack could come on that day and will boost their defences and alert status.

b) Israel will be on high alert for any potential attacks waged on the anniversary of "Al-Aqsa Flood".

Israel is better to strike in order to do the most damage to the enemy rather than a strike with any kind of symbolism.

Degrees of attack form would be three tiered:

1) Mild response - Attack on the nuclear facilities; destruction of any potential nuclear weapon production capabilities and enrichment of Yellowcake at Natanz and Isfahan, perhaps others.

2) Medium response - Destruction of oil infrastructure which includes refinement, transportation causing severe economic damage that will do more than sanctions ever could.

3) Severe response - A strike to eliminate Khamanei himself, leading to the potential overthrow of the Islamic Republic.

He personally believes that the mild response is the most likely for these reasons:

a) No alienation of civilians.

b) Iran has proven that it can deliver warheads to Israel, this is the perfect justification to make sure these can never go nuclear.

c) Justification to hit nuclear facilities comes "once in a life time". Back when Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities there was worldwide condemnation including allies. Then the Gulf War happened and everybody realised how fortunate it was that Saddam didn't have nuclear capability.

If key nuclear sites can he harmed in the same way as Hezbollah HQ, it would be an adequate response and comes with a "Hasbara friendly" justification:

"Iran launched ICBMs at the state of Israel, with some penetrating air defences and causing damage. Therefore we are perfectly justified in making sure that these missiles will never be equipped with a nuclear payload."

Thinks is over-ambitious to assume that the current cabinet would activate Mossad assets in a relatiatory manner, unless it was absolutely necessary (given how hugely valuable said assets would be), in such a situation where the goal was to literally overthrow the regime entirely.

A massive cyber attack which collapses Iran's civilisation will be a harder sell too, and would expose a lot of assets, only for Iran to learn from such a incident and apply fixes. Again it would be better to save this for when the day comes to remove the Ayatollah.

He also says that any kind of response should potentially have the Saudis on board to use their air space officially (for the much needed refueling and helping towards the building of friendly relations etc).

Of course none of this takes into account Iran's response to any such action of retaliation, only what should/could be done in the immediate answer to yesterday's brazen assault on the country.

The Cabinet could completely surprise everyone and decide to take out the regime itself. No one could have predicted the pager explosions and wiping out Hezbollah's Command and Control abilities in a few days, we're in uncharted territory right now...
It would be poetic to wait until the 7th, but I’d advise against it.

Biden etc have a habit of downplaying issues, based on you didn’t lose anything, or here have another f35 sqn on us.

If Israel wants to go in, and I think it does, and bibi does, and probably Biden also, or Jill, whoever, versus letting Iran get a win, after so many punches, you would be mad not to punch again, and soon.

And I think something big, expensive, hardened, needs to get hit, the secret missile bunker, or the nuke assembly bunker, why not both?
 
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I know they're fanatics but man, they really seem like they don't want to exist anymore...
Bully gets beaten to a pulp, threatens to start bullying all the other kids.

Just maybe it won’t only be Israel flying over Iran this week?
 
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Not a good start. Probably an ambush.
I have a feeling some people in IDF got a little too much confidence from the recent successes.

This whole operation was misguided,stupid and sadly, these young men paid the ultimate price. How on earth are they part of an Egoz unit? Five of them appear underweight. Overall, this entire offensive was poorly planned. I've been to that part of Lebanon many times, and you can't just send in ground troops like that—what on earth were they thinking?

Israel needs to realize that Hezbollah's Radwan unit has been preparing for this exact scenario along the border for a decade plus. If Israel is entering Audaysa or Maroun al-Ras, it should be done with everything turned into a parking lot at a 100-meter scale at a time. The videos I saw showed homes, trees, and bushes still intact. This is not the right way to conduct an advance; otherwise, it will lead to a bloodbath. They need to surround and isolate entire areas, utilize ground-penetrating radar, regional and tunnel-mapping drones, and use thermobaric technology, bunker-busting shells, chemical/gas compound explosives, UGVs, tanks, and air support. And who goes into enemy territory for a reconnaissance mission during the day? Like what the actual fukc!

This was a bizarre decision. The Israelis must remember what happened to their ground forces in 2006—Hezbollah is now far better equipped.

I still believe the Israelis will likely advance from somewhere else, probably the Golan Heights/Syria or the Beqaa Valley.

Overall, I really hope they reassess the situation with a more experienced unit.
 
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Not a good start. Probably an ambush.
I have a feeling some people in IDF got a little too much confidence from the recent successes.
You never win a properly set-up ambush, at best you lose less. And not all ambushes can be avoided.
 
BBC's take...

How could Israel respond, and what might Iran do then?

The Middle East is once again on the brink of a deep and damaging war between two protagonists that have been facing off against each other for much of the past 45 years. This is now one of the most dangerous moments for the entire region.

Iran, which became an Islamic Republic after the overthrow of the Shah in 1979, has long vowed to destroy the state of Israel, which it calls the "Zionist regime". Israel accuses Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) of spreading violence across the Middle East through its allies and proxies, a view shared by several Arab governments.

Israel is poised to retaliate against Iran for Tuesday’s volley of ballistic missiles, some of which penetrated Israel’s air defences.

Iran says that was in response to two assassinations by Israel - of the Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut and of the Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran.

So what happens next?

Both Israel and its closest ally, the US, have vowed to punish Iran for launching 180 missiles at Israel. "Iran," says Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, "will pay a heavy price."

The restraint that Israel’s allies urged on it the last time there was a standoff like this in April is more muted this time. And given Israel’s determination to take on all its enemies at once - in Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen and Syria - the Netanyahu government seems to be in no mood to hold back.

Israeli planners will likely now be debating not if and when to hit Iran, but how hard.
 
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I didn't hear anyone using those words or similar in that clip. Did I miss something?
It's more like paraphrasing, because according to the individual it's all Israel's fault and the freedom fighters have done everything to avoid bloodshed.
 

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