Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.

[Ivan le Fou]

It is a difficult position to be in. Saudi Arabia no longer wants anything to do with it after their hapless "coalition" failed due to Iran arming and supporting the Houthis, and the determination of the Houthis themselves. Other nations whose life blood is oil from the region will not take a hand even though they have the capacity to do so. Russia benefits from this, and the Chinese, while loathing the Houthis, will never join in openly siding with U.S. interests.
The Houthis brag that their cheap drones are just as good as an F-15 which is not exactly true, but close enough in a conflict like this. The West should use their considerable lead in technology to develop, produce and deploy drones in such numbers that it will be difficult to stroke a goat let alone deploy missiles and drones in Houthiville.
Unlike F-35s, Tomahawks, Hellfires etc the production facilities can be relatively easier to build and operate. If this makes too much sense, then it will never get done.
The other thing that needs to be addressed is Iran, but the only way they will be dealt with is if the U.S. chooses to do it, and the poor choices in Afghanistan and Iraq make that a faint proposition.

Precisely.

Sure it makes for a good and impressive "that will show them" move, but is it really meaningful?
Does not seem to be the case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/us/politics/houthis-yemen-us-airstrikes.html

That kind of approach the US is having at the moment is like trying to get rid of brambles by cutting what's above the ground, and leaving the roots undisturbed.

 

[Nansouty]

Impressive!
I cannot but notice the difference between these calm and determined people, and the wild, disorderly demonstrators that support the other side. That's also a removable flag displayed on the Nelson Column, no one has tagged it as it happened in Paris Place de la Nation.

 

[Nansouty]

Ivan, I think the NYT has an agenda... What no one in the MSM seems to notice is the disorder likely to happen in the BRICS. What's happening in the Bab-el-Mandab is clearly supported by Iran, and certainly hurts Saudi Arabia's interests. Both are new BRICS members. Hopefully the West will play on that

 

[Hiryu2.0]

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[Ivan le Fou]

Ivan, I think the NYT has an agenda... What no one in the MSM seems to notice is the disorder likely to happen in the BRICS. What's happening in the Bab-el-Mandab is clearly supported by Iran, and certainly hurts Saudi Arabia's interests. Both are new BRICS members. Hopefully the West will play on that

The NYT most likely has an agenda, just like it had one 90% of the time.

But in that case, well, I kind of find myself agreeing with them: these strikes are not appropriate and are merely PR.
Their criticism is aimed at Biden and his admin, and the uselessness of their move.

BRICS is a whole other thing, imho, wether the strikes took place or not. With the shipping lane made utterly unsafe to navigate, even to ships affiliated with Russia, it will obviously impact BRICS. To what extent though, it is perhaps too early to tell.

But in the end it shows how inept the US "lead" "coalition" is. That being said, the other countries involved in that pseudo-policing operation are not doing that much better either.
India pulled out an impressive and decent hostage rescue, sure, but no retaliations. Neither did France and the other countries.

It is all very... flaccid.

 

[Fluff]

The NYT most likely has an agenda, just like it had one 90% of the time.

But in that case, well, I kind of find myself agreeing with them: these strikes are not appropriate and are merely PR.
Their criticism is aimed at Biden and his admin, and the uselessness of their move.

BRICS is a whole other thing, imho, wether the strikes took place or not. With the shipping lane made utterly unsafe to navigate, even to ships affiliated with Russia, it will obviously impact BRICS. To what extent though, it is perhaps too early to tell.

But in the end it shows how inept the US "lead" "coalition" is. That being said, the other countries involved in that pseudo-policing operation are not doing that much better either.
India pulled out an impressive and decent hostage rescue, sure, but no retaliations. Neither did France and the other countries.

It is all very... flaccid.

US is waiting for the election

US is waiting for Israel to finish

I dont know.

Didnt UK send a veiled threat to Iran or something?

 

[m208]

Because it would be against the law if random people attacked them. Regarding football hooligans, they are not as widespread as they used to be in the 80s.
Presently, people care about their DBS and if you lose your security clearance by attacking someone, you won't be able to get a job that requires a clean criminal record. Your university degree would become useless.
The UK is not Israel where you can spit on a Catholic nun's face or kill a random Palestinian and nothing happens to you or you get a joke sentence. I don't support Palestinians or Hamas, but there's apartheid in your country.

never knew anything about the DBS until now..... so back to these rioters.... they arent your normal "peacefull" protesters ... they are rioters.... so how come the english goverment is ok with these kind of violent acts?

 

[m208]

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[muck]

Germany has today announced it will intervene on Israel's behalf before the International Court of Justice and argue that Israel has not infringed the Genocide Convention, and neither has nor plans to commit genocide. A government spokesman indicated that Germany will argue that South Africa instrumentalised the Convention for their own goals, jeopardising its acceptance and thus effectivity. (Source)

Good! (Two correct decision by this administration on a single day, that's … perplexing.)

Funnily enough, pretty much the entirety of Africa – egged on by Namibia – is now ganging up against Germany. They argue with whataboutisms, of course, ironically ignoring that if what happened 80 years ago means Germany can't defend those accused of genocide, it surely follows that African governments who committed human rights abuses 80 seconds ago shouldn't be condemning Israel either …

Just to be very clear, I does seem to me – though I certainly won't claim being informed enough to assert that opinion with absoluteness, unlike so many of these arseholes on the left – that a number of Israeli military actions over the past couple of months could constitute violations of international. And I do hope that for the sake of Israel itself, allegations of transgressions by IDF members will be thoroughly looked into. But Israel is a democracy and a state of law, and perfectly capable of investigating potential war crimes without the self-serving meddling of the corrupt and racist government of South Africa.

Besides, it seems viciously absurd to me that all those people who claim they protest to prevent more blood from being spilt don't demand that Hamas cease hostilities. Hamas attacked Israel, not the other way around. And Israel clearly stated that it will agree to a cease fire the very moment the last hostages are released. So, how come Pretoria and all the other do-gooders don't demand just that?

 

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[Ivan le Fou]

Germany has today announced it will intervene on Israel's behalf before the International Court of Justice and argue that Israel has not infringed the Genocide Convention, and neither has nor plans to commit genocide. A government spokesman indicated that Germany will argue that South Africa instrumentalised the Convention for their own goals, jeopardising its acceptance and thus effectivity. (Source)

Talking from experience!

 

[muck]

Talking from experience!

That would actually be a philosophically interesting line of defence for Israel. I mean, with countries like Turkey who never acknowledged their genocidal past racing to condemn Israel.

I know you're joking, by the way, but just to put this out there: Perhaps the most retarded take on the announcement imaginable came from the president of Iran who accused Germany of trying to "calm its guilt" by "sacrificing the Palestinians".

And I'm like – projecting much, Teheran, aren't you? It's you who is sacrificing the entire Gaza for a small and questionable propaganda victory … And by the way, what "guilt"? Haven't you been telling the world the Shoa never happened?

By the way @IDF_TANKER if you don't mind my asking you for sake of convenience: What's up with Haaretz being seriously butthurt about the German announcement? I know they're left-leaning and critical of the IDF, but still …!

 

[IDF_TANKER]

That would actually be a philosophically interesting line of defence for Israel. I mean, with countries like Turkey who never acknowledged their genocidal past racing to condemn Israel.

I know you're joking, by the way, but just to put this out there: Perhaps the most retarded take on the announcement imaginable came from the president of Iran who accused Germany of trying to "calm its guilt" by "sacrificing the Palestinians".

And I'm like – projecting much, Teheran, aren't you? It's you who is sacrificing the entire Gaza for a small and questionable propaganda victory … And by the way, what "guilt"? Haven't you been telling the world the Shoa never happened?

By the way @IDF_TANKER if you don't mind my asking you for sake of convenience: What's up with Haaretz being seriously butthurt about the German announcement? I know they're left-leaning and critical of the IDF, but still …!

Haaretz is not just left-leaning, it's an Israeli wannabe version of NYT, only even worse in a way, if you can imagine such a thing. Their business model is to sell an extreme, pure and undulated anti-Israeli propaganda to the appropriate target audience in the West under the cover of "self-criticism" - something along the lines of "oh, look those guys in Israel are saying X about themselves - this must be true". Their staff is an especially toxic combination of the local extreme left "peace activists", self-hating Jews, commies (very often the very same people) and local "Palestinian" freedom fighter/merchants of victimhood (Israeli Arabs).
Avoid by all means, extremely dangerous for one's mental health. If you are interested in a reasonably decent left-leaning Israeli based newspaper in English, read Times of Israel. Not without its problems, but at least sane. Haaretz is a pure poison...

 

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[muck]

Thanks for the insightful response!

 

[m208]

Haaretz is not just left-leaning, it's an Israeli wannabe version of NYT, only even worse in a way, if you can imagine such a thing. Their business model is to sell an extreme, pure and undulated anti-Israeli propaganda to the appropriate target audience in the West under the cover of "self-criticism" - something along the lines of "oh, look those guys in Israel are saying X about themselves - this must be true". Their staff is an especially toxic combination of the local extreme left "peace activists", self-hating Jews, commies (very often the very same people) and local "Palestinian" freedom fighter/merchants of victimhood (Israeli Arabs).
Avoid by all means, extremely dangerous for one's mental health. If you are interested in a reasonably decent left-leaning Israeli based newspaper in English, read Times of Israel. Not without its problems, but at least sane. Haaretz is a pure poison...

its not even self criticism when they openly speak on the pros of hizbolla and nasralla..... maarif ,haaretz and another news agency "forgot the name" should srsly consider relocating their HQ to lebanon,syria or iran

 

[m208]

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so how are these scum still able to inflitrate ?

 

[IDF_TANKER]

so how are these scum still able to inflitrate ?

The suspects are from Hebron, West Bank. No borders are hermetic, unfortunately...

 

[m208]

The suspects are from Hebron, West Bank. No borders are hermetic, unfortunately...

so you have open borders with them and no way to close it??? if thats the case , then damn .... cause these brain washed scum believe that if they kill an israeli "doesnt matter if its a kid,woman or elderly" theyll go to heaven .

not sure if i understood you right , but damn man ... thatll suck big time for you guys...i can only say .. "ingod speed for you guys"