Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.

[Connaught Ranger]

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[nemipuka_]

They clearly were driving her to the hospital to get medical treatment

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[Ivan le Fou]

They had a month to move stuff out and you wouldn't see that because of the tunnels. Besides you wouldn't store weapons inside the hospital but underneath it and even then combining your HQ with a depot full of explosives is a really poor idea.

Fighters were moving in and out of the hospital with what they carried in their chest rigs. No need to store anything there when literally every building in Gaza was available for storage simply by pounding on the door and shoving a gun into the face of who ever opened the door.

Centralized storage is outdated, centralized storage against an enemy who enjoys technological superiority and unhindered surveillance is a really, really bad idea and not how an insurgency operates.

Don't know, frankly.

Could Hamas have moved things away?
Sure. That's a possibility.

But that would be a huge contrast with their overall readiness and will to fight.

Ok, so, one can assume the pre-invasion strikes carried out by the Israeli Air Force and Navy have thinned the herd significantly; such as killing terrorists, destroying fortified positions, stockpiles, infrastructures, etc.
Ok.
Fights still occurred afterward when they invasion took place, with Hamas managing to hit the IDF hard enough to inflict a number of casualties and material losses.
But that was only as a result of the early days of the invasion, back when the IDF was still on the outskirt of Gaza. Inside the strip, but not in the city itself.

One can say Israel has the upper hand when out in the open, they can make the distance play in their favor. But once engaged in urban warfare, their formations of armored vehicles, in relatively narrow streets and surrounded with tall buildings, would have been seen as golden targets.
I mean, nevermind this is about the IDF, invading Gaza and conducting military operations in that environment is nightmare fuel.

Anyway.
Maybe the "disappointing" amount of guns and other devices is due to Hamas spreading things around and evacuating stuff away for later use.
Maybe the "big caches" haven't been found yet.
But another possibility could be that Hamas logistics and supplies were exaggerated.

For an organization so dedicated to the destruction of Israel, Hamas sure isn't playing the part in a very convincing way.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, mind you.
If Hamas' subpar performances are due to the fact their fighting spirit and capabilities got overestimated: good.
If they are due to their capabilities and such having been smashed by the IDF strikes: good as well.

But in the first case, it could backfire pretty strongly and negatively against Israel.

 

[Picanha]

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Found a terrorist! This guy appears on Twitter a lot, part of an apparent "human rights" group, writes for Al-Jazeera, Newsweek and Vice. Now his credibility on anything can be disregarded...

Note: IDF did delete the video but reuploaded with the laptop blurred for some reason, I don't know why they did that because so many people instantly save videos and the original one is everywhere anyway

I agree with IDF_TANKER, that this kind of evidence never looks very compelling.

There are more such "journalists" with " news".

Kisses for Hamas

Kooperieren Journalisten von AP und Reuters in Gaza mit der Hamas?

Wie kamen Reporter aus Gaza so schnell an die Orte des Grauens? Ein Blog behauptet, die Journalisten hätten vorab von den Terrorattacken gewusst – und niemanden gewarnt

www.sueddeutsche.de

This is absolutely insane... Osama Bin Laden's "letter to America" has gone viral in the pally ranks recently over twenty years later:

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They're already brainwashed by bullshit and now they're becoming further radicalised because of his passage about Palestine at the beginning of the letter. People are actually going "oh wow, Osama was actually right about everything" Never thought I'd see Americans saying 9/11 was justified because Osama wrote a bunch of nonsense to justify one of the worst terrorist attacks ever conceived. The USA and the West has a big problem here...

Yeah the swish your mobile all day long generation Z is pretty lost if you don't show them the way.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Mi a kibaszott idióták??

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[OldCode]

Don't understand how blind someone has to be to turn to Osama Bin Laden for terrorist justifications. He's mass murdered Americans and helped in the destabilization of Afghanistan. His basic point is "let us kill all the jews and we'll tolerate you until we come for you".

People should be reading Massoud's letters:

Ahmad Shah Massoud's Letter To The People Of America

From 1998 - A Message to the People of the United States of America

www.afghan-web.com

 

[Connaught Ranger]

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[av405]

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Seems a bit counterproductive, no? Is the building not the Palestinian Parliament building in Gaza that just happened to be used by Hamas leaders? I would think that post-war, the Israelis would want to leave it for a non-Hamas faction to take over leadership as I doubt the Israelis are interested in another occupation.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

Seems a bit counterproductive, no? Is the building not the Palestinian Parliament building in Gaza that just happened to be used by Hamas leaders? I would think that post-war, the Israelis would want to leave it for a non-Hamas faction to take over leadership as I doubt the Israelis are interested in another occupation.

Once its been contaminated by HAMAS it needs disinfecting, C4 or the IDF equivalent does a very good job.

 

[m208]

Don't know, frankly.

Could Hamas have moved things away?
Sure. That's a possibility.

But that would be a huge contrast with their overall readiness and will to fight.

Ok, so, one can assume the pre-invasion strikes carried out by the Israeli Air Force and Navy have thinned the herd significantly; such as killing terrorists, destroying fortified positions, stockpiles, infrastructures, etc.
Ok.
Fights still occurred afterward when they invasion took place, with Hamas managing to hit the IDF hard enough to inflict a number of casualties and material losses.
But that was only as a result of the early days of the invasion, back when the IDF was still on the outskirt of Gaza. Inside the strip, but not in the city itself.

One can say Israel has the upper hand when out in the open, they can make the distance play in their favor. But once engaged in urban warfare, their formations of armored vehicles, in relatively narrow streets and surrounded with tall buildings, would have been seen as golden targets.
I mean, nevermind this is about the IDF, invading Gaza and conducting military operations in that environment is nightmare fuel.

Anyway.
Maybe the "disappointing" amount of guns and other devices is due to Hamas spreading things around and evacuating stuff away for later use.
Maybe the "big caches" haven't been found yet.
But another possibility could be that Hamas logistics and supplies were exaggerated.

For an organization so dedicated to the destruction of Israel, Hamas sure isn't playing the part in a very convincing way.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, mind you.
If Hamas' subpar performances are due to the fact their fighting spirit and capabilities got overestimated: good.
If they are due to their capabilities and such having been smashed by the IDF strikes: good as well.

But in the first case, it could backfire pretty strongly and negatively against Israel.

hamas operates like hizbola, no way in hell they dont have stacks of sh*t piled somewhere....where , i dont know...... but i would say ,weapons are somewhere in one of five choices

1) A tunnel from gaza to zikim
2) A tunnel from gaza to nahal oz or Kisufim
3) A tunnel from northern gaza to the south of gaza
4) A tunnel from gaza to Egypt
5) And the last one although a very unlikely..... but a Tunnel going from gaza to the sea


i always thought the israeli intelligence had a tight grip on everything going in gaza ....... too bad they failed very very very hard..... like a fail caliber similar to the one that happened on 9/11

 

[Connaught Ranger]

I’m worried, that if the U.K. found itself in a war, that people that lived near hospitals. Or schools, would consider themselves safe, and therefore nor dig an air raid shelter.

Most people dont have the space or means to dig shelters, even in WW2 hospitals schools did not take in people off the streets and offer them shelter, children were evacuated from the cities and I doubt it would be any different today.

 

[Nansouty]

Meanwhile on the ground, IDF advances even further in Gaza, threatening to cut the North pocket in two (standard practice to eliminate pockets), as shown from the map below, taken from a pro-Palestine site. Israeli losses have barely reached 50 (may the rest in peace) since October 7th, which clearly shows that Hamas isn't successful or even particularly efficient on the battlefield. Fector in the fact that Hamas propaganda is turning towards victimization (after their blaring videos of the first days showing success against civilians or unprepared military). This is crucial for as long as Israeli success happens on the battlefield, you can expect Arab support for the Hamas to remain only vocal.

 

[Jake84]

Of course Hamas isn’t successful on the battlefield. They’re a terrorist organization and they’re “good” at killing civilians, once they’re surrounded by an actual military force, they either S**t their pants or blow themselves up, any of which gives the same result.

 

[nemipuka_]

 

[Fluff]

Don't know, frankly.

Could Hamas have moved things away?
Sure. That's a possibility.

But that would be a huge contrast with their overall readiness and will to fight.

Ok, so, one can assume the pre-invasion strikes carried out by the Israeli Air Force and Navy have thinned the herd significantly; such as killing terrorists, destroying fortified positions, stockpiles, infrastructures, etc.
Ok.
Fights still occurred afterward when they invasion took place, with Hamas managing to hit the IDF hard enough to inflict a number of casualties and material losses.
But that was only as a result of the early days of the invasion, back when the IDF was still on the outskirt of Gaza. Inside the strip, but not in the city itself.

One can say Israel has the upper hand when out in the open, they can make the distance play in their favor. But once engaged in urban warfare, their formations of armored vehicles, in relatively narrow streets and surrounded with tall buildings, would have been seen as golden targets.
I mean, nevermind this is about the IDF, invading Gaza and conducting military operations in that environment is nightmare fuel.

Anyway.
Maybe the "disappointing" amount of guns and other devices is due to Hamas spreading things around and evacuating stuff away for later use.
Maybe the "big caches" haven't been found yet.
But another possibility could be that Hamas logistics and supplies were exaggerated.

For an organization so dedicated to the destruction of Israel, Hamas sure isn't playing the part in a very convincing way.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, mind you.
If Hamas' subpar performances are due to the fact their fighting spirit and capabilities got overestimated: good.
If they are due to their capabilities and such having been smashed by the IDF strikes: good as well.

But in the first case, it could backfire pretty strongly and negatively against Israel.

they lost a lot of men, and kit on 7 october, didnt Israel report 1500 bodies?

Gaza is tiny, so Israel almost certainly knew where a lot of things were, and zapped them from the air in the first week.

Then the Army went in, and some 'brave' hamas did get out of their holes, I'd think after lobbing an RPG at a merkava, your life expectancy is maybe not seconds, but certainly measured in single minutes.

As the Army gained ground, I'd think alot of desertions, or garbled radio messages, surrenders, etc.

Hamas was probably a reasonable career choice, possibly not much choice about it, but not when 300K angry israelis are trying very hard to kill you.

And I think a lot of their resources went into rockets, because they looked like the best way to hit israel. Not guns.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Seems a bit counterproductive, no? Is the building not the Palestinian Parliament building in Gaza that just happened to be used by Hamas leaders? I would think that post-war, the Israelis would want to leave it for a non-Hamas faction to take over leadership as I doubt the Israelis are interested in another occupation.

I take it as a symbolic gesture.

That was Hamas so-called legitimate/democratic siege of power.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

And I think a lot of their resources went into rockets, because they looked like the best way to hit israel. Not guns.

A lot of homemade rockets went into the production of Qasam & cie/artillery MLRS, and RPG7V/VR clones.

 

[IDF_TANKER]

Spokesman footage from Commando Brigade bodycam:

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[Connaught Ranger]

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[Vorph]

Israeli military says body of hostage recovered near Al Shifa hospital in Gaza

The body of Yehudit Weiss, one of around 240 hostages taken by Hamas gunmen when they stormed into southern Israel on Oct. 7 was recovered by troops in a building near Al Shifa hospital in Gaza, Israel's military said on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

RIP.