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[Junglejim]

btw good move buying the mi 171 , more mi8/171 operator in southeast asia the better wonder if mi171 of Philippine will be major repair and overhault in Vietnam or not , Indonesia is know to send they mi171 to Vietnam for major overhault and repair , one of the thing both country can cooperate beside the annual island visit in the spartly

The Mi171 would be a welcome addition, but thats actually one of those deals that happened cause of the President. The Air Force wanted their hand at the S70 and Duterte agreed as long as they buy something from Russia. They chose those choppers instead of the Chinooks.

As for overhaul, the PAF bids these things so it goes to the cheapest provider, hence, some C130s get overhauled by AIROD Malaysia and the more recent ones are done in Portugal. So who knows Vietnam might get a chance at those choppers.

btw do Philippine army have any type of ATGM befor the American donate TOW ?

All I know are the Armbrusts.

and your navy buying of SPIKE ER for the fast boat ?

Yes and some for the helicopters

btw from what I heard the American donate 100 anti bunker version tow so it must be used on land to counter terrorist/rebel force then deploy to the island for defend , btw who funding the maoist communist in Philippine ? is it china ?

Antibunkers for now but it wouldnt be hard to sneak in an ATGM. As for who is funding the Communists in the Philippines... EU, local politicians, revolutionary taxes. China is not on the list.

they are pro mao in they way of dressing ( mao hat , mao idealogy book and crap ) + where did they get they hand on the tavor , I seen few picture of some maoist rebel with tavor gun

They are nothing like your communists revolutionaries, they are thugs using an ideology to feed their lavish lifestyles in EU and in the Philippines. Their kids are attending private schools. Its the idiot college students and some poor uneducated farmers that are the pawns.

Tavor probably was grabbed from a slain cop.

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

The Mi171 would be a welcome addition, but thats actually one of those deals that happened cause of the President. The Air Force wanted their hand at the S70 and Duterte agreed as long as they buy something from Russia. They chose those choppers instead of the Chinooks.

As for overhaul, the PAF bids these things so it goes to the cheapest provider, hence, some C130s get overhauled by AIROD Malaysia and the more recent ones are done in Portugal. So who knows Vietnam might get a chance at those choppers.



All I know are the Armbrusts.



Yes and some for the helicopters



Antibunkers for now but it wouldnt be hard to sneak in an ATGM. As for who is funding the Communists in the Philippines... EU, local politicians, revolutionary taxes. China is not on the list.




They are nothing like your communists revolutionaries, they are thugs using an ideology to feed their lavish lifestyles in EU and in the Philippines. Their kids are attending private schools. Its the idiot college students and some poor uneducated farmers that are the pawns.

Tavor probably was grabbed from a slain cop.

you do know Vietnam communist is not the same like Chinese communist eh ? that why Vietnam and china have war in 1979 Vietnam never follow maoist style of communist like your maoist rebel and Khmer rouge maoist ( if you look at maoist style communist all have a common bloody and lunatic leader ) I don't think Philippine have enough money to buy chinook it a expensive helicopter , s70 is dual to discount price ( half are pay by the American ) , btw why are you guy having trouble to spare fund for the brahmos missile system ? the indian give you 100 million credit you only need to pay the rest it not that expensive weapon .... is Philippine military really that short on cash ? or someone are stealing your military budget ?

 

[Junglejim]

you do know Vietnam communist is not the same like Chinese communist eh ? that why Vietnam and china have war in 1979 Vietnam never follow maoist style of communist like your maoist rebel and Khmer rouge maoist ( if you look at maoist style communist all have a common bloody and lunatic leader ) I don't think Philippine have enough money to buy chinook it a expensive helicopter , s70 is dual to discount price ( half are pay by the American ) , btw why are you guy having trouble to spare fund for the brahmos missile system ? the indian give you 100 million credit you only need to pay the rest it not that expensive weapon .... is Philippine military really that short on cash ? or someone are stealing your military budget ?

Because it wasnt included in the original budget for this year. It has nothing to do with corruption most Filipinos you talk to that keep mentioning corruption has no idea what they are talking about. It's called a budget, you send a budget to the senate and see how much they approve, if they dont approve enough then you adjust. The Brahmos was not included in the original budget so the AFP has no funds for it this year... think of it this way, they can afford the car, its just right now they have no money for the down payment.

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

Because it wasnt included in the original budget for this year. It has nothing to do with corruption most Filipinos you talk to that keep mentioning corruption has no idea what they are talking about. It's called a budget, you send a budget to the senate and see how much they approve, if they dont approve enough then you adjust. The Brahmos was not included in the original budget so the AFP has no funds for it this year... think of it this way, they can afford the car, its just right now they have no money for the down payment.

well most info I get are from folk in maxdefense phillipine facebook group , he aint wrong in saying corrupt , think about it from 90-2010 Philippine didn't get any warship with anti ship missile , no real fighter jet , no tank , no sam or radar ask your self where the money go , it aint like phillipine budget is small , you guy have same or heck even larger budget then us in 90- early 2000s and look what we get in the same period , even poorer and lower budget Myanmar manage to buy more thing then you guy in the same period , so I do belive in maxdefense and people on that group that saying a lot of the money go into senate and general

 

[Junglejim]

well most info I get are from folk in maxdefense phillipine facebook group , he aint wrong in saying corrupt , think about it from 90-2010 Philippine didn't get any warship with anti ship missile , no real fighter jet , no tank , no sam or radar ask your self where the money go , it aint like phillipine budget is small , you guy have same or heck even larger budget then us in 90- early 2000s and look what we get in the same period , even poorer and lower budget Myanmar manage to buy more thing then you guy in the same period , so I do belive in maxdefense and people on that group that saying a lot of the money go into senate and general

Max defense is good for getting new news about the AFP but not much else. Most people there act like they know S**t but havent got a single clue. Hint Hint, Max hates the MilMi 171 as he is a proponent of western tech.

The Philippine budget is actually one of the smallest in the neighborhood considering its operational tempo, the high salary and propensity for it to buy western tech. Is there corruption, sure all military does. Now is it the main factor? Nope.

Problem with going to forums like Max is they are given snippets of information and they start acting like they know everything when in reality all they have are snippets of information.

Vietnam has a higher budget than the Philippines, but I dont think the Vietnamese army is keeping 15000 communist rebels and about 20000 muslim separatists at bay (peak of the separatist was 100,000). Add to that the multiple disasters, UN operations abroad etc. Now on top of that you have one of the highest paid soldiers in the region and their retirement plan. To expound on this:

Basic for a private is:
$620 (USD not AUD)+ combat pay+ hazard pay+ medical+insurance+ schooling local/international is up to you + housing.

So you can quickly see how that budget gets miniscule fast quick and in a god damn hurry.

Thats just the basics of a complex situation, now we go to historical.... ever since our independence, our internal enemy was inside the country, we occasionally go to Korea to kick some Chinese ass and they try to screw us by sending some weapons, but teh relationship never went as far to what happened between your country and China. So the AFP for the longest time had an internal mindset. Here is a story that you wont find in Max defense but ties this full circle to your issue with us getting submarines:

In the early 90s there was a big push for subs as some younger officers already can see the future issues with China. They explored the possibilities and Germans stepped in, offered full training and support. The Philippine Navy selected men and even trained them to speak German to make it easy. Listed all the equipment needed and started mapping the ocean floor and requested a hydrographic ship, identified future basing sites and kill zones for the subs. Then came the time for final approval, when it went to the higher ups which are ran by Army and former Philippine Constabulary, it was S**t canned with "we cant use submarines to go to the mountains" that was the end of that. So despite of what you see as the PN just starting with a sub concept, there was already a precedent.


As for corruption, thats teh reason why the PN didnt want new ships. Old ships break easily and needs more funds, then again that shennanigans happen in almost all navies and would not be the reason for the lack of newer deadlier ships in the fleet. Again its the mindset of who the enemy is, put it more clearly it is the President who pushed the PN to look at subs as the PN would rather buy equipment for internal security so they can join in the COIN so they can get promoted faster. Hopefully one can see the mindset and professionalism change with the newer AFP guys

 

[Junglejim]

Naval Group announced the upcoming opening of an office in Manila in the Philippines. The opening which is set for early 2021 will help the French shipbuilder be closer to its potential customer, the Philippine Navy, as the country is looking to acquire not just submarines, but a true submarine force.

As demonstrated with the successful Malaysian Scorpene program, the French Shipbuilder is able to:

deliver submarines;
design the infrastructures (naval base and/or maintenance facility);
train the submarine force personnel from scratch (crews and maintenance personnel);
set up a submarine force HQ, train the newly created submarine command on how to use a submarine force (via French Navy know how) and make the most of it.

Naval Group Opens Office in Philippines with Submarine Deal in Sight - Naval News

Naval Group announced the upcoming opening of an office in Manila in the Philippines. The opening which is set for early 2021 will help the French shipbuilder be closer to its potential customer, the Philippine Navy, as the country is looking to acquire not just submarines, but a true submarine...

www.navalnews.com

With the blessing from the admin and the French government it seems Naval Group is aggressively pursuing this deal. I wouldnt be surprised if it will approved within the next two years before the change of administration. New law in Philippine Military procurement is once approved and signed it can not be blocked as that was part of the hindrance back then.

 

[Junglejim]

Elbit Systems is providing more than 1,000 of its THOR drones and other UAVs to a Southeast Asian country under a $153 million deal, the Israeli company announced Oct. 6. This is the latest UAV-related deal for an Israeli firm after Cyprus announced it will buy $13 million in drones from Aeronautics Limited on Oct. 3.

The THOR is a multi-rotor vertical-takeoff-and-landing mini-drone. Elbit will supply a variety of drones over the next two years — including the THOR, Skylark LEX, Skylark 3 and Hermes 450 tactical UAS — as well as ground control stations.

Israel’s Elbit sells over 1,000 mini-drones to Southeast Asian country

Elbit Systems is providing more than 1,000 of its THOR drones and other UAVs to a Southeast Asian country under a $153 million deal.

www.defensenews.com

I remember a decade or so ago, I was talking to a friend in the Army and we were in his office and he talked about how the female Israeli Defense representative was un relenting in terms of showing off latest gear that the Philippine Army might like. This was back then where modernization was in talk only and there was nothing major in the horizon... boy, did her persistence pay off.

So far the things bought:
- RADARS
- HERMES DRONES
- More Drones
- Mobile and Towed Artillery
- APC
- Medium Tanks/ Tank Destroyers
- Comms network gear
- Shaldag boats
- SAMS
- etc.
There was also the rumor from Max Defense that in the battle of Marawi when the government asked the Army what they need for emergency procurement and they asked for Tanks. Israeli answered that they were ready to ship some from their reserves at a moments notice. It would probably be the Sabras, but imagine the look of the Jihadis when all of a sudden a Merkava starts rolling down the bridge.

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

Elbit Systems is providing more than 1,000 of its THOR drones and other UAVs to a Southeast Asian country under a $153 million deal, the Israeli company announced Oct. 6. This is the latest UAV-related deal for an Israeli firm after Cyprus announced it will buy $13 million in drones from Aeronautics Limited on Oct. 3.

The THOR is a multi-rotor vertical-takeoff-and-landing mini-drone. Elbit will supply a variety of drones over the next two years — including the THOR, Skylark LEX, Skylark 3 and Hermes 450 tactical UAS — as well as ground control stations.

Israel’s Elbit sells over 1,000 mini-drones to Southeast Asian country

Elbit Systems is providing more than 1,000 of its THOR drones and other UAVs to a Southeast Asian country under a $153 million deal.

www.defensenews.com

I remember a decade or so ago, I was talking to a friend in the Army and we were in his office and he talked about how the female Israeli Defense representative was un relenting in terms of showing off latest gear that the Philippine Army might like. This was back then where modernization was in talk only and there was nothing major in the horizon... boy, did her persistence pay off.

So far the things bought:
- RADARS
- HERMES DRONES
- More Drones
- Mobile and Towed Artillery
- APC
- Medium Tanks/ Tank Destroyers
- Comms network gear
- Shaldag boats
- SAMS
- etc.
There was also the rumor from Max Defense that in the battle of Marawi when the government asked the Army what they need for emergency procurement and they asked for Tanks. Israeli answered that they were ready to ship some from their reserves at a moments notice. It would probably be the Sabras, but imagine the look of the Jihadis when all of a sudden a Merkava starts rolling down the bridge.

1. merkava is too heavy for marawi , so the tank they may send over at a gift during marawi maybe a ex Israeli t54/55 with 105mm gun which is simple to used and operate
2. Israeli is good at selling weapon for sure , one down side of Israeli is they drone doesn't armed with any kind of weapon ( restrict by American ? )
3. why buy the THOR drone ? it not that hard to made it or even the system for it ( seen by Vietnam-Thailand-Malaysia-Indonesia-singapore have our own same domestic type ) hermes is a good buy nice recon uav ( nice choice btw ), btw do Philippine have domestic uav project like viet-thai-malay-indo-sing ? do Philippine made any thing for military in Philippine ? ( ammunition for rifle ? arty shell ? mortar and it shell ? communication equipment ? gun ? ) being able to product weapon and ammunition will be much cheaper then buy from other country

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

@ao_sepia can you post about situation in Thailand right now ? I seen picture of container are being used to block the street in bangkok and police gathering , do you think the thai royal/military will give more power to the civilian side ?

 

[Junglejim]

why buy the THOR drone ? it not that hard to made it or even the system for it ( seen by Vietnam-Thailand-Malaysia-Indonesia-singapore have our own same domestic type ) hermes is a good buy nice recon uav ( nice choice btw ), btw do Philippine have domestic uav project like viet-thai-malay-indo-sing ? do Philippine made any thing for military in Philippine ? ( ammunition for rifle ? arty shell ? mortar and it shell ? communication equipment ? gun ? ) being able to product weapon and ammunition will be much cheaper then buy from other country

Because it comes as a package for the Army's multi layered UAS C4ISTAR program. It is just being delivered now but the contract would include the THOR, Skylarks and HERMES 450. So with that combined you get an entire systems that are compatible with each other in one go.

The HERMES you mentioned was probably the Air Force one not the Army.

There are some domestic UAVS but I dont see an actual program in the works. We build rifles and ammo, used to be radios but not anymore. It might be cheaper but as the AFP needs a modernization now then we buy equipment now not later. If down the line a Filipino company would like to make their own UAVs and it can satisfy the needs of the government and would be cheaper then, why not?

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

Because it comes as a package for the Army's multi layered UAS C4ISTAR program. It is just being delivered now but the contract would include the THOR, Skylarks and HERMES 450. So with that combined you get an entire systems that are compatible with each other in one go.

The HERMES you mentioned was probably the Air Force one not the Army.

There are some domestic UAVS but I dont see an actual program in the works. We build rifles and ammo, used to be radios but not anymore. It might be cheaper but as the AFP needs a modernization now then we buy equipment now not later. If down the line a Filipino company would like to make their own UAVs and it can satisfy the needs of the government and would be cheaper then, why not?

ah sad to hear Philippine stop making communication equipment , but glad to hear you guy able to made your own rifle ammunition , but from what I heard Philippine don't made rifle that why you import m4 variant gun from some America company that just went bankrupt , why not take the chance and buy the company equipment and hire the ex worker to be teacher , btw domestic weapon is not only cheaper but much more secure , aka communication and uav , are Philippine gona get another Hamilton class ? Vietnam will get one more for the coast guard this year and wanted another one for the coast guard to bring the class to 3 ship , but if Philippine navy looking for a 4 Hamilton then we may not get the 3 Hamilton for the coast guard , btw it amaze me that the israeli haven't try to sold you guy the Kafir fighter , a nice decent cheap fighter plane

 

[Junglejim]

ah sad to hear Philippine stop making communication equipment , but glad to hear you guy able to made your own rifle ammunition , but from what I heard Philippine don't made rifle that why you import m4 variant gun from some America company that just went bankrupt , why not take the chance and buy the company equipment and hire the ex worker to be teacher , btw domestic weapon is not only cheaper but much more secure , aka communication and uav , are Philippine gona get another Hamilton class ? Vietnam will get one more for the coast guard this year and wanted another one for the coast guard to bring the class to 3 ship , but if Philippine navy looking for a 4 Hamilton then we may not get the 3 Hamilton for the coast guard , btw it amaze me that the israeli haven't try to sold you guy the Kafir fighter , a nice decent cheap fighter plane

The previous issued M16 were made in the Philippines, the newer one is Remington. There are multiple gun makers in the country, again if they can compete in quality and cheapness, then they will be used.

I dont know if we are getting another Hamilton probably not. KFIR was offered to us before but we declined it.

 

[BravoZulu]

South Korea’s government approved the production of more than 200 Korean Tactical Surface to Surface Missiles (KTSSM).

The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) says the missile is designed to destroy long-range artillery pieces hidden in underground tunnels.

During the defense project promotion committee presided over by Defense Minister Suh Wook, the government approved the plan to produce more than 200 units of the Korean Tactical Surface to Surface Missile (KTSSM) by 2025, according to the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA).

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

South Korea’s government approved the production of more than 200 Korean Tactical Surface to Surface Missiles (KTSSM).

The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) says the missile is designed to destroy long-range artillery pieces hidden in underground tunnels.

During the defense project promotion committee presided over by Defense Minister Suh Wook, the government approved the plan to produce more than 200 units of the Korean Tactical Surface to Surface Missile (KTSSM) by 2025, according to the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA).

I love how north korea , south korea and America have similar looking missile

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

so after a online meeting between Vietnam-india minister of defense , india new start to bragging like usual saying how vietnam wanted to buy akash and brahmos missile which is not true , india try hard to sell akash anti air missile but Vietnam refuse it ( it basic a SA6 , that used liquid fuel kinda out date missile ) plus the current brahmos is similar to the p800 yakhont that Vietnam have , why would we buy another same missile ? brahmos mk2 then sure and I love how indian media try to blame Vietnam refuse of buying them cause lack of fund( some guy forget about 500 million credit that we haven't even touch it ) beside Vietnam have buy spyder MR , new missile will be long range sam , not another medium range sam ) ( barak 8 er or s400 ), india media just keep making indian looking bad by bragging , should have learn America / japan / Australia / china less bragging more action @Junglejim I wonder if the indian offer akash sam will you guy it or instead chosing the spyder MR , they sure will try to sell akash hard ( not sure why , they always bring up akash , akash , akash )

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

Israel Aerospace to sell drones to Vietnam in $160m deal

en.globes.co.il

old new but pretty interest new , I doubt 3 system cost 160million and if it just pure drone buying we wont see this :
The deal has finally been agreed after a protracted period of uncertainty and delays. According to one of the reports, the deal has been achieved after the personal intervention of Ministry of Defense director general General (res) Udi Adam.
it well know that Vietnam need technology for longer range uav with sat control , Vietnam have manage to built small and medium short/medium range drone , but still not able to built long range drone dual to lack of technology ( Sweden and Belarus Vietnam 2 partner in uav only manage to made short/medium range drone ) I bet the deal include technical help and transfer of tech from IAI for the long range uav project + SCS island will be where the uav will be station for patrolling for sure @Junglejim does Philippine have any plan to deploy hermes to your island in SCS ? btw also find out Philippine marine and navy uniform are made by our army factory too , cool to know there are cooperation between 2 country , must be deal made from Aquino period where Vietnam and phil relation was extremely good ( under Aquino we also see Vietnam and Philippine start a annual island visit of each other island in the south china sea which piss the Chinese off )

 

[Junglejim]

@Junglejim I wonder if the indian offer akash sam will you guy it or instead chosing the spyder MR , they sure will try to sell akash hard ( not sure why , they always bring up akash , akash , akash )

We have the Spyder MR already coming, and if we go with future SAM it mights just be Japanese as they have offered before and finally one upped the Israelis in terms of Air Defense Radars.

Israel Aerospace to sell drones to Vietnam in $160m deal

en.globes.co.il

o @Junglejim does Philippine have any plan to deploy hermes to your island in SCS ?

What makes you think we havent? We dont need to have them land in the islands, there are other islands well within the Philippines that they can launch it from.

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

We have the Spyder MR already coming, and if we go with future SAM it mights just be Japanese as they have offered before and finally one upped the Israelis in terms of Air Defense Radars.



What makes you think we havent? We dont need to have them land in the islands, there are other islands well within the Philippines that they can launch it from.

you , do know drone with out sat , can only reach 30- 50km range right ? even it can fly much father with it fuel ( if you wanted for non sat uav to fly futher then 30-50km you need a extend station at every 30-50km )
btw interest article

Undeclared Submarine Arms Race Takes Hold In Asia

Many smaller navies in the Asia-Pacific region are building up submarine capabilities. This is part of an undeclared arms race that is changing the shape of the submarine threat worldwide.

www.forbes.com

Vietnam is starting a 100 ton submarine project befor building a bigger midget coastal submarine , seem like SCS will have quite a lot of submarine operate with Philippine getting 1-2 French sub , Thailand 2 Chinese submarine and they gona buy another one so they fleet will be 3 which will let them to always have 1 submarine in the sea , Malaysia 2 sub ( maybe Malaysia will get more ) , Singapore will get at least 6 submarine or more in future who know , Indonesia wanted 12 submarine fleet , china , America , japan , korea , Australia

 

[Junglejim]

you , do know drone with out sat , can only reach 30- 50km range right ? even it can fly much father with it fuel ( if you wanted for non sat uav to fly futher then 30-50km you need a extend station at every 30-50km )
btw interest article

Undeclared Submarine Arms Race Takes Hold In Asia

Many smaller navies in the Asia-Pacific region are building up submarine capabilities. This is part of an undeclared arms race that is changing the shape of the submarine threat worldwide.

www.forbes.com

Vietnam is starting a 100 ton submarine project befor building a bigger midget coastal submarine , seem like SCS will have quite a lot of submarine operate with Philippine getting 1-2 French sub , Thailand 2 Chinese submarine and they gona buy another one so they fleet will be 3 which will let them to always have 1 submarine in the sea , Malaysia 2 sub ( maybe Malaysia will get more ) , Singapore will get at least 6 submarine or more in future who know , Indonesia wanted 12 submarine fleet , china , America , japan , korea , Australia

The range is 50Km but at 30,000 ft, the sensors will give you Over The Horizon coverage. For example an American aircraft not saying which one can detect targets on the sea at close to 500km from its present position.

As for the submarines, based on the Philippine navy officer i talked to the SCS is filled with ridges hence a very noisy sea bed. Perfect for submarines to hide and a nightmare for surface fleets.

 

[BravoZulu]

Taiwan:
via Taiwan Times

In an essay published by the U.S. Naval Institute, former Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Michael Morell and former Admiral James Winnefeld warn that Chinese leader Xi Jinping (習近平) will "bring Taiwan back into China" in mid-January 2021.

With the West distracted by the U.S. election and the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, the authors believe the "operation" will be completed in just three days.

Morell and Winnefeld paint a worst-case scenario in the article, published by the private, non-profit U.S. Naval Institute. They predict the operation will unfold quickly, "beginning on the evening of 18 January," prior to the U.S. presidential inauguration.

At the same time, China will carry out cyberattacks to cripple the country by disabling the national power grid and other important utilities. This will be followed by a swift sea and air blockade, with several People's Liberation Army (PLA) submarines joining in the action.

The authors imagine the blockade will pave the way for the landing of PLA amphibious forces. Meanwhile, China would send stern warnings not to intervene to the U.S., Japan, South Korea, Australia, and other Taiwanese allies.

On the second day, global stock markets will crash due to the turmoil. World leaders will make statements condemning the attack, but nothing more. Bogged down by multiple issues, Washington will be unable to react.

On the third day after the attack, Morell and Winnefeld believe it will be too late for Washington to reverse the damage. Xi would then whitewash the invasion by telling the world that the "Chinese Dream" has been fulfilled and "welcome the people of Taiwan home."