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[Junglejim]

The Philippines Department National Defense has awarded the contract for the Philippine Army’s Light Tank and Wheeled Armored Personnel Carrier Acquisition Projects to the Israeli company Elbit Systems.
According to information released on Army Recognition on October 24, 2020, the Israeli company Elbit Systems has offered its new Sabrah Light Tank for the Philippine Army’s Light Tank Acquisition Project, which is in competition with Hanwha Systems K21-105 and Otokar Arma 105 light tanks, and Pindad Harimau Light Tank.
The Elbit Systems Sabrah light tank is available in two configurations including a tracked variant based on the General Dynamics European Land Systems (GDELS) ASCOD 2 and a wheeled version based on the Pandur II 8×8 armored vehicle also produced by GDELS.
Elbit Systems’ “Sabrah” configurable light tank solution adds highly effective firepower to Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFV’s). Based on the success of Elbit fully combat-proven armored vehicles and turrets in use by numerous armed forces around the world, the “Sabrah” series of solutions is the latest generation AFV system developed by Elbit Systems.
The modular design enables using the same 105mm turret for tracked or 8X8 wheeled platforms to deliver reliable, high-performance firepower to the battlefield.

Being a rebel in the Philippines will be a hard way to make a living soon

 

[morris]

Watch | India and U.S. sign BECA

A video on BECA and what will be shared between India and U.S.

www.thehindu.com

India and U.S. have signed BECA, the last of four foundational agreements for strategic ties. BECA stands for Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation.

 

[Junglejim]

On the first day of Euronaval 2020, the new CEO of Naval Group –Pierre-Eric Pommellet– invited the press to a conference call. It was the opportunity to exchange on the progress of naval programs in France and abroad. During the event, Pierre-Eric Pommellet highlighted "intense discussions" with the Philippines concerning the sale of submarines.

Euronaval: Naval Group Confirms Negotiations with the Philippines for Submarine Sale - Naval News

During an Euronaval press conference, Naval Group CEO highlighted "intense discussions" with the Philippines concerning submarine sale

www.navalnews.com

 

[BravoZulu]

Taiwan:
For the first time since the US and Taiwan ceased bilateral ties in 1979, Taipei on Monday announced the arrival of US marines to train Taiwanese soldiers.

Taiwan's Naval Command said a contingent of US marines, Marine Raiders, arrived upon the invitation of Taiwan's military and will begin training Taiwanese troops for four weeks starting today, the daily Taiwan News reported.

The US marines came about two weeks ago but were under quarantine to avoid coronavirus infection. Taiwanese soldiers will be trained by the US marines' special operations troops in assault boat and speedboat infiltration operations at the Tsoying Naval Base in the port city of Kaohsiung in southern Taiwan.

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

On the first day of Euronaval 2020, the new CEO of Naval Group –Pierre-Eric Pommellet– invited the press to a conference call. It was the opportunity to exchange on the progress of naval programs in France and abroad. During the event, Pierre-Eric Pommellet highlighted "intense discussions" with the Philippines concerning the sale of submarines.

Euronaval: Naval Group Confirms Negotiations with the Philippines for Submarine Sale - Naval News

During an Euronaval press conference, Naval Group CEO highlighted "intense discussions" with the Philippines concerning submarine sale

www.navalnews.com

should have spend the money to buy missile for the frigate and maybe modernize the surface fleet first , you guy don't have a lot of money to buy new thing , a submarine is not cheap to buy nor maintain whatever money your navy have will be eaten up by the submarine , unless your govt increase the budget for your military , don't buy submarine to just be equal to other asean country , 2 submarine wont deter china and 2 wont be enough for continue patrol + the money is more well spend if you guy used it on 500t missile boat ( the Korean have quite few nice missile boat design ) to defend your shoal/reef/island then 2 expensive submarine that wont be able to operate all the time

 

[Junglejim]

should have spend the money to buy missile for the frigate and maybe modernize the surface fleet first , you guy don't have a lot of money to buy new thing , a submarine is not cheap to buy nor maintain whatever money your navy have will be eaten up by the submarine , unless your govt increase the budget for your military , don't buy submarine to just be equal to other asean country , 2 submarine wont deter china and 2 wont be enough for continue patrol + the money is more well spend if you guy used it on 500t missile boat ( the Korean have quite few nice missile boat design ) to defend your shoal/reef/island then 2 expensive submarine that wont be able to operate all the time

And your missiles arent deterring China either, so my guess is to each Navy their own.

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

Japan’s Suga Set to Authorize Arms Sales to Vietnam
Prime Minister Suga is also promising to bolster Japan’s economic engagement with Southeast Asian Nations.

On his maiden overseas trip, Japan’s newly appointed Prime Minister Suga Yoshihide is expected to sign an agreement allowing his government to export defense equipment and technology to Vietnam.

The likely move, which was reported by Nikkei Asia on October 14, is intended to stiffen the military capabilities of Southeast Asian partners who share Tokyo’s concerns about China’s growing maritime power. Suga will sign the deal on his upcoming state visit to Vietnam, part of a tour that will also take him to Indonesia, another important Japanese partner in Southeast Asia...

Japan’s Suga Set to Authorize Arms Sales to Vietnam

Prime Minister Suga is also promising to bolster Japan’s economic engagement with Southeast Asian Nations.

thediplomat.com

they also provide anti terrorist equipment not sure what equipment thought

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

And your missiles arent deterring China either, so my guess is to each Navy their own.

eh at least we can made them bleed , Vietnam and phil will lost if china start a war , but at least we can made them pay for they win and the Chinese knew it and they will have to rethink befor start a fight with us , that why you don't see Chinese trying to blockage our island / shoal like they did to your in recent year ,plus at least our navy can provide enough deter for the coast guard / fishery survey force to fight back the Chinese white hull , haven't seen phil white hull fleet raming or standing up to Chinese coast guard , there is reason America and everyone els are focusing on Vietnam/Indonesia in south east asia and not Philippine , the moment phil cancel your treaty with America, the moment the Chinese start a war with you guy to take whatever island and shoal you still control in SCS and also at a showcase of warning to the rest of us asean , so let hope dueterte wont cancel your treaty with America , last thing we need is a war in SCS during covid crisis .

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

And your missiles arent deterring China either, so my guess is to each Navy their own.

my word may hurt your pride , but it the fact , one you can see it , you can fix your mess , first thing you guy need are buying weapon for the 2 Korean frigate ( missile ) then think about what to buy next , submarine is a expensive and not a easy weapon , you need year of experience befor you can fully master , that why better focus on surface fleet first , meanwhile buy few midget submarine to get familiar how to operate / maintain then think about buying expensive scorpion or kilo or whatever submarine you guy wanted , but befor buying them you guy have to think about where to base them and funding for the base / training center / maintain shipyard or dock ( built a new base which will cost a lot , our submarine base / training center /shipyard/dock coast more then buying the 6 kilo ) not to mention you have to built a hydro survey ship to the mapping of the sea floor ( even we have soviet map of SCS , we still built a new survey ship to do new maping cause sea floor can change ) and a submarine rescue ship , see it come with alot of thing , a surface ship is much simple to operate / maintain , looking how phil have problem with your budget ( too high salary ( highest in asean told by my pinoy friend ) corrupt , plus the govt love to cut your budget , acquire submarine will eat all up of whatever your naval budget ) it like south America rushing to buy Battleship pre ww1 and then a lot of those BB have to be resold or not well maintain dual to low budget ( brazil BB are most famous for not having enough money to operate them )

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

Although I am not aware of Singapore having any real enemies they are a high risk of terrorist attack especially as they are not a Muslim-majority country but are surrounded by Muslim-majority countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, these littoral ship's will come in handy to protect them against that kind of threat.


http://justread-whatever.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/who-are-singapores-enemies.html

Singapore still fear being annex by malay / Indonesia , they still remember the period of Indonesia sending paratroop to malay/Singapore in the confrontsi period , plus from time to time malay and Singapore fight over a small island where both side claim they own it ( but actually Singapore control it , a tiny rock island that the Singapore built a building on top of it with a light house ) malay also have problem with Singapore reclaim land which extend they eez , but the chance for war is low , but like one say to prevent war prepare for war . btw asean + Australia/china/japan/korea/newzealand just sign RCEP biggest FTA deal in the world , may benefit a lot asean country = more money for the military , TTP was design to counter china too bad trump pull out and ruin the TTP FTA . the south east asia region in coming year will see more weapon , include war ship ( Indonesia and japan are talking about FFM frigate ( if the deal will be sign the japanese will sold 8 FFM frigate to Indonesia 4 will be built in japan 4 will be built in Indonesia ) Vietnam are trying to built / design a domestic covert weight above 1000t and maybe import new frigate ( which the Japanese are trying to export they FFM too same for Russia and korea ) Cambodia in recent year economic are doing not bad so it finally manage to buy few Chinese cheap fighter jet ( a down grade training version of j7 forget what it call ), lao start to reinvest in it airforce / military , pretty much south east asia and east asia + south asia is in a semi arms race

 

[Junglejim]

eh at least we can made them bleed , Vietnam and phil will lost if china start a war , but at least we can made them pay for they win and the Chinese knew it and they will have to rethink befor start a fight with us , that why you don't see Chinese trying to blockage our island / shoal like they did to your in recent year ,plus at least our navy can provide enough deter for the coast guard / fishery survey force to fight back the Chinese white hull , haven't seen phil white hull fleet raming or standing up to Chinese coast guard , there is reason America and everyone els are focusing on Vietnam/Indonesia in south east asia and not Philippine , the moment phil cancel your treaty with America, the moment the Chinese start a war with you guy to take whatever island and shoal you still control in SCS and also at a showcase of warning to the rest of us asean , so let hope dueterte wont cancel your treaty with America , last thing we need is a war in SCS during covid crisis .

Vietnam’s Struggles in the South China Sea: Challenges and Opportunities | Center for International Maritime Security

cimsec.org

Maybe we arent getting the same news, but last time I checked the Islands that China is building up is in your territory and not ours. We dude lose a shoal to them though and under Duterte we stopped ramming their ships.

FYI, we lost the shoal when the US told us to pull out our ship and they will handle it. We pulled out China didnt, so careful with praising alliances. We have far more experience with American foreign policy with allies than Vietnam.

my word may hurt your pride , but it the fact , one you can see it , you can fix your mess , first thing you guy need are buying weapon for the 2 Korean frigate ( missile ) then think about what to buy next , submarine is a expensive and not a easy weapon , you need year of experience befor you can fully master , that why better focus on surface fleet first , meanwhile buy few midget submarine to get familiar how to operate / maintain then think about buying expensive scorpion or kilo or whatever submarine you guy wanted , but befor buying them you guy have to think about where to base them and funding for the base / training center / maintain shipyard or dock ( built a new base which will cost a lot , our submarine base / training center /shipyard/dock coast more then buying the 6 kilo ) not to mention you have to built a hydro survey ship to the mapping of the sea floor ( even we have soviet map of SCS , we still built a new survey ship to do new maping cause sea floor can change ) and a submarine rescue ship , see it come with alot of thing , a surface ship is much simple to operate / maintain , looking how phil have problem with your budget ( too high salary ( highest in asean told by my pinoy friend ) corrupt , plus the govt love to cut your budget , acquire submarine will eat all up of whatever your naval budget ) it like south America rushing to buy Battleship pre ww1 and then a lot of those BB have to be resold or not well maintain dual to low budget ( brazil BB are most famous for not having enough money to operate them )

Didnt hurt my pride at all, just thinking that I'm pretty sure the people in our Navy has more awareness and understanding about our needs and capacity to absorb a new system than a bunch of people on forums.

 

[Junglejim]

This might be more to your new liking... the TOW was an old request by the Philippine Marines for the Spratleys

US donates $18M worth of weapons system to PH to fight terrorism

MANILA, Philippines — The United States on Monday gave the Philippines $18 million worth of weapon systems, which Manila’s top diplomat said would be used against Islamist militants in

globalnation.inquirer.net

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

Vietnam’s Struggles in the South China Sea: Challenges and Opportunities | Center for International Maritime Security

cimsec.org

Maybe we arent getting the same news, but last time I checked the Islands that China is building up is in your territory and not ours. We dude lose a shoal to them though and under Duterte we stopped ramming their ships.

FYI, we lost the shoal when the US told us to pull out our ship and they will handle it. We pulled out China didnt, so careful with praising alliances. We have far more experience with American foreign policy with allies than Vietnam.



Didnt hurt my pride at all, just thinking that I'm pretty sure the people in our Navy has more awareness and understanding about our needs and capacity to absorb a new system than a bunch of people on forums.

wait it your shoal not American right ? so if America say you have to kill your own people you will do so too ? weird , btw the Chinese took those shoal when we were weakest in 1988 ( they did same crap by taking paracel in 1974 ) which the soviet was not holding up to the treaty a reason Vietnam now don't wanted to alliance with anyone and wanted to be self relied and built a strong enough military to deter , at least our troop die fighting defend those shoal , no one order us to withdrew and give them on a silver plate to the Chinese . btw you guy never confront the Chinese on sea ever let be real , only under Aquino that you guy sue them on internal court the only so call strong stand vs them , with d30 you guy change 360 degree even try to drop your treaty with the American the only thing stop china from start a war with you guy to scare the rest of us asean , like I say put aside the pride and you will see the plan to buy submarine is stupid , better used the money for surface ship and buy missile for your frigate which still doesn't have missile and the rest of the money to buy SAM and fighter jet fa50 after all upgrade is still just a trainer plane , F16 will not be a bad choice , with the American can time to time gift you guy free spare part and weapon ( like recent 18 million dolar of guide bomb )

 

[muck]

should have spend the money to buy missile for the frigate and maybe modernize the surface fleet first , you guy don't have a lot of money to buy new thing , a submarine is not cheap to buy nor maintain whatever money your navy have will be eaten up by the submarine , unless your govt increase the budget for your military , don't buy submarine to just be equal to other asean country , 2 submarine wont deter china and 2 wont be enough for continue patrol + the money is more well spend if you guy used it on 500t missile boat ( the Korean have quite few nice missile boat design ) to defend your shoal/reef/island then 2 expensive submarine that wont be able to operate all the time

A single British sub in the South Atlantic Ocean pretty much decided the outcome of the Falklands War – against a numerically superior enemy respected by the British. The fact is, in this day and age modern submarines are probably way bigger of a threat than surface combatants.

They're easy to detect and on a bad day a single anti-ship missile might suffice to take them out. In contrast, modern subs are not only difficult to find but also difficult to engage. You have to find them, you have to track them, and in most scenarios you'll have to bring helicopters or maritime patrol aircraft in to actually destroy them.

And as far as that's concerned, even small navies have proven their ability to be a pain in the arse of even the most powerful of navies. For instance, there are several verified accounts of Swedish and German subs "sinking" entire American carrier groups in exercises without the targets realising they were there.

 

[ao_sepia]

Japan’s Suga Set to Authorize Arms Sales to Vietnam
Prime Minister Suga is also promising to bolster Japan’s economic engagement with Southeast Asian Nations.

On his maiden overseas trip, Japan’s newly appointed Prime Minister Suga Yoshihide is expected to sign an agreement allowing his government to export defense equipment and technology to Vietnam.

The likely move, which was reported by Nikkei Asia on October 14, is intended to stiffen the military capabilities of Southeast Asian partners who share Tokyo’s concerns about China’s growing maritime power. Suga will sign the deal on his upcoming state visit to Vietnam, part of a tour that will also take him to Indonesia, another important Japanese partner in Southeast Asia...

Japan’s Suga Set to Authorize Arms Sales to Vietnam

Prime Minister Suga is also promising to bolster Japan’s economic engagement with Southeast Asian Nations.

thediplomat.com

change with vietnam into indo-pacific pact!

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

change with vietnam into indo-pacific pact!

nah , like I say we aint join any alliance group , but we will be partner for sure wink wink btw @ao_sepia vietnam and thai navy just recent do a annual join patrol in thai gulf great to see this type of join patrol we asean should do more asean naval exercise and join patrol , btw how the protesting going in Thailand ? haven't heard are new about it on cnn , Vietnam media also didn't report about it much did it end ? those student really got ball to go agains your royal family , btw do thai plan to acquire FFM frigate from japan ? seeing thai-japan relation go way back it was quite surprise that the Japanese haven't been sold or try to sold weapon to Thailand

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

A single British sub in the South Atlantic Ocean pretty much decided the outcome of the Falklands War – against a numerically superior enemy respected by the British. The fact is, in this day and age modern submarines are probably way bigger of a threat than surface combatants.

They're easy to detect and on a bad day a single anti-ship missile might suffice to take them out. In contrast, modern subs are not only difficult to find but also difficult to engage. You have to find them, you have to track them, and in most scenarios you'll have to bring helicopters or maritime patrol aircraft in to actually destroy them.

And as far as that's concerned, even small navies have proven their ability to be a pain in the arse of even the most powerful of navies. For instance, there are several verified accounts of Swedish and German subs "sinking" entire American carrier groups in exercises without the targets realising they were there.

thing are the brit can afford to own a fleet of submarine , the reason Vietnam , singapore and Indonesia ( heck indo wanted 12 sub ) have to buy 6 submarine so we can always have 2 sub on patrol , 2 in base , 2 in dockyard maintain , with 1 submarine only you can keep it patrol all the way + sure it will be a pain in the ass but let be real not for long + not to mention the cost to keep them running it aint cheap like a warship + you have to invest in the entire eco ( base-dock-shipyard , training center , hydro survey ship to map the sea floor , submarine rescue ship ) which seeing how the Philippine military have problem with budget dual to high salary , corruption ( my pinoy friend say a lot of money lost in to the pocket of general and politician maybe jung know more about the issue ) and high cost of maintain for old war ship in the fleet which eat a lot of money -> reason Philippine is current the only big asean country with out a antiship missile ship until recent year ( with 2 Korean frigate ) but the thing are those 2 frigate only have gun , cause they haven't been bought the anti ship missile see the problem ? for some reason Philippine budget is not that bad in asean yet they lack a lot of weapon ( sam/radar ( only reason buy radar from japan , the American radar that left to the phillipine was left to rust go read maxdefense phillipine to see how they military and politician weakend the military over the years , only since Aquino that you see a real effort of modernize and creat a plan to acquire weapon ( sam , frigate , helicopter , jet trainer fa50 which also can serve at light fighter carry aim9 , the first fighter jet after they retire the f5 in 2005 ) one wonder what happened to all the money gone pre Aquino

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

This might be more to your new liking... the TOW was an old request by the Philippine Marines for the Spratleys

US donates $18M worth of weapons system to PH to fight terrorism

MANILA, Philippines — The United States on Monday gave the Philippines $18 million worth of weapon systems, which Manila’s top diplomat said would be used against Islamist militants in

globalnation.inquirer.net

so befor the American donation your troop on the island didn't have atgm or any large caliber weapon to defend it ? , wait do Philippine have ATGM ? beside the SPIKE ER that you guy for the fast speed boat ? HLS with that budget one would think ATGM will be acquire to supply the island troop since 1970s

 

[Junglejim]

so befor the American donation your troop on the island didn't have atgm or any large caliber weapon to defend it ? , wait do Philippine have ATGM ? beside the SPIKE ER that you guy for the fast speed boat ? HLS with that budget one would think ATGM will be acquire to supply the island troop since 1970s

You mean the Spratleys? Nope none existed in those islands that I know off or on public information. Pretty much defenseless, military wise.

Before you ask, no the Mutual Defense Treaty between the Philippines and US does not cover those islands.

 

[nobitadaidamvn]

You mean the Spratleys? Nope none existed in those islands that I know off or on public information. Pretty much defenseless, military wise.

Before you ask, no the Mutual Defense Treaty between the Philippines and US does not cover those islands.

btw good move buying the mi 171 , more mi8/171 operator in southeast asia the better wonder if mi171 of Philippine will be major repair and overhault in Vietnam or not , Indonesia is know to send they mi171 to Vietnam for major overhault and repair , one of the thing both country can cooperate beside the annual island visit in the spartly , btw do Philippine army have any type of ATGM befor the American donate TOW ? and your navy buying of SPIKE ER for the fast boat ? btw from what I heard the American donate 100 anti bunker version tow so it must be used on land to counter terrorist/rebel force then deploy to the island for defend , btw who funding the maoist communist in Philippine ? is it china ? they are pro mao in they way of dressing ( mao hat , mao idealogy book and crap ) + where did they get they hand on the tavor , I seen few picture of some maoist rebel with tavor gun