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The antenna is useless if was hit by the splinters. And the main "wepon" of that vehicle is the antenna
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more spare from china because egypt 80'era transfer more soviet tank,apc,jet china,china never had t-62,bmp,mig-23,but china got from egypt,china clone and copy bmp to sale in world market,mig-23 convert to f-8.why you sale spare from china!
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I think it is also a diplomatic question. How many Type 86s does China operate anyway ? over 1-2k ? what would Russia think if China started supplying basicaly their enemies, when they try to improve relations and be partners etc ?
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You clearly have no clue how artillery works.
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So you saw that vehicle is hit and destroyed? Interesting, on what part of video you saw that?
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True, could not see the vehicle destroyed...
Yet fragments from the explosion might have hit the radar component neutralizing it? or maybe hit the crew?
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The external dish and electronics components were destroyed for sure. Cannot say anything about the crew, but most likely they have been able to escape the battle area under a cover of 152mm battery. Here is the translation of Ukrainian after action report (sorry automated through Google)
"A brilliant success, which is important to note - on June 24, the artillerymen and scouts of the regiment of the NSU "Azov" held a real master class of counter-battery wrestling to the Russian invaders. Under Gorlovka, the Azov artillerymen won a difficult and deadly artillery duel, which the Russian command had carefully prepared.
According to Censor. No, the Russian 120-mm mortar battery began a provocative bombardment of our positions. When the mortar "Azov" answered, in their positions began accurate arrivals from the Russian 122 mm howitzers. It became clear that the Russians had set up a trap, and precisely adjusted the fire, and again the enemy pulled his artillery into the demarcation zone, where, according to the Minsk agreements, over 100 mm calibers are prohibited. The OSCE, as usual, was powerless to intervene in the situation and stop the shooting of our positions.
Intelligence "Azov" instantly across all channels and across all connections began to calculate the position of the enemy. Thanks to the information received, a Russian artillery reconnaissance station was discovered, to which the Azov unmanned reconnaissance aircraft was instantly sent, and the counter battery unit of the Azov had to move into the battle area. In a matter of minutes, a control unit was discovered - the Zoo station, and the Azovs were precisely shot down. However, it is likely that the enemy was able to transfer the coordinates of our counter-battery platoon - and now the fire of the Russian artillery at our mortars has stopped.
And already on the positions of our platoon, the Russians struck with their trump - quite accurately the Russian 152 mm battery opened fire from Gorlovka itself. However, the Azovs did not stop the fire, and soon the Zoo was covered with close gaps. Since the Zoo was mounted on an MTLB tracked armored tractor, the enemy managed to escape under its own power, but as a result of close breaks the station was undoubtedly incapacitated, perhaps irreversible damage was caused to this very expensive technique.
As a result of the battle, despite the superiority of the enemy forces, and thanks to the exemplary organization of the counter-battery struggle, the Azov warriors managed to avoid any casualties in men and equipment. Russian gunners received a vivid lesson of modern warfare, and count losses"
Here is my take. Ukrainians got lucky. If the Russians decided to ambush any other Ukrainian unit, but "Azov", Ukrainians would have sustained a devastating blow. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that "Azov" was picked as a "test subject" not because they are "Nazis" according to the Russian propaganda, but because the Russian command wanted to test their equipment and tactics against a competent opponent. The coordination between batteries of different calibers from different locations on the Russian side was excellent and so was the equipment. The mistake was made when Zoopark crew decided to move the vehicle into an open area, most likely in order to avoid interference form the nearby forest, but lingered too long. Also, I'm a bit surprised that the vehicle was on its own and apparently wasn't backed by any ECU assets. Ukrainian UAVs are very primitive, for the most part modernized off the shelf equipment or privately built from off the shelf parts.
"A brilliant success, which is important to note - on June 24, the artillerymen and scouts of the regiment of the NSU "Azov" held a real master class of counter-battery wrestling to the Russian invaders. Under Gorlovka, the Azov artillerymen won a difficult and deadly artillery duel, which the Russian command had carefully prepared.
According to Censor. No, the Russian 120-mm mortar battery began a provocative bombardment of our positions. When the mortar "Azov" answered, in their positions began accurate arrivals from the Russian 122 mm howitzers. It became clear that the Russians had set up a trap, and precisely adjusted the fire, and again the enemy pulled his artillery into the demarcation zone, where, according to the Minsk agreements, over 100 mm calibers are prohibited. The OSCE, as usual, was powerless to intervene in the situation and stop the shooting of our positions.
Intelligence "Azov" instantly across all channels and across all connections began to calculate the position of the enemy. Thanks to the information received, a Russian artillery reconnaissance station was discovered, to which the Azov unmanned reconnaissance aircraft was instantly sent, and the counter battery unit of the Azov had to move into the battle area. In a matter of minutes, a control unit was discovered - the Zoo station, and the Azovs were precisely shot down. However, it is likely that the enemy was able to transfer the coordinates of our counter-battery platoon - and now the fire of the Russian artillery at our mortars has stopped.
And already on the positions of our platoon, the Russians struck with their trump - quite accurately the Russian 152 mm battery opened fire from Gorlovka itself. However, the Azovs did not stop the fire, and soon the Zoo was covered with close gaps. Since the Zoo was mounted on an MTLB tracked armored tractor, the enemy managed to escape under its own power, but as a result of close breaks the station was undoubtedly incapacitated, perhaps irreversible damage was caused to this very expensive technique.
As a result of the battle, despite the superiority of the enemy forces, and thanks to the exemplary organization of the counter-battery struggle, the Azov warriors managed to avoid any casualties in men and equipment. Russian gunners received a vivid lesson of modern warfare, and count losses"
Here is my take. Ukrainians got lucky. If the Russians decided to ambush any other Ukrainian unit, but "Azov", Ukrainians would have sustained a devastating blow. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that "Azov" was picked as a "test subject" not because they are "Nazis" according to the Russian propaganda, but because the Russian command wanted to test their equipment and tactics against a competent opponent. The coordination between batteries of different calibers from different locations on the Russian side was excellent and so was the equipment. The mistake was made when Zoopark crew decided to move the vehicle into an open area, most likely in order to avoid interference form the nearby forest, but lingered too long. Also, I'm a bit surprised that the vehicle was on its own and apparently wasn't backed by any ECU assets. Ukrainian UAVs are very primitive, for the most part modernized off the shelf equipment or privately built from off the shelf parts.
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Again, without thw radar working the mtlb is nothing but an empty can. There are dosen of mtlb in the front line, but this one is special. MARAT, i know your heart is broken but this thing can happen in a war
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Yes I could be that antena is hit and damaged, crew should be fine, as vehicle is armored and shell fell quite far. Anyway Azov get "Mission kill" as Zoopark stoped their mission. Zoopark probably left after shells start falling near him and my guess is that that is a reason why video doesn't continue, as if Zoopark stayed, Azov would probably keep fire until destruction of target. Zoopark is armored VEHICLE, and its crew are not idiots which will stay and wait to be killed.
Unfortunatelly LPR/DPR are not transparent so we cannot see picture of vehicle with damage sustained, if any.
Claiming that vehicle is destroyed was just cheap propaganda.
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Each armored vehicle is the same, their purpose is to protect crew, and they are not empty can as long as they save the crew, with its armor or ability to move, and this MTLB done it job,
It was not destroyed, or you want to say that Azov didnt show whole video just for sake of my poor hart?
What is your logical explanation why whole video wasn't show, but just some short video editing material?
Why is so hard for many of you to belive your own eyes? And admit that Azov wanted some PR scores?
Do you see destroyed vehicle? Do you see direct or near miss? Why video is cut?
One shell 122mm cannot kill mtlb from 15 meters and from front arc.
Even if antena is hit and damaged it will be replaced or repaired.
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Both sides make a fair point and agree that the vehicle was probably rendered useless in some manner as it ceased operation. We don't know the extent of damage and have only unverified claims as a source. We don't see the vehicle receiving any direct hits in the video. So any claim of a "kill" has to be taken with a grain of salt and a pinch of doubt. Not siding with the enemy, just being realistic.
Another thing to take into consideration is that vehicles can receive extensive to seemingly near total loss level of damage and still be restored and put back to service. This was the case with some BMPs and Landrovers in the 2008 war, some of which received direct hits.
This seems far from it here. The MTLB in the video was prob not damaged to the point it couldn't withdraw or be recovered, even if the crew got hit.
So can we now end this pointless debate before it escalates ? it's been almost two pages now.
Another thing to take into consideration is that vehicles can receive extensive to seemingly near total loss level of damage and still be restored and put back to service. This was the case with some BMPs and Landrovers in the 2008 war, some of which received direct hits.
This seems far from it here. The MTLB in the video was prob not damaged to the point it couldn't withdraw or be recovered, even if the crew got hit.
So can we now end this pointless debate before it escalates ? it's been almost two pages now.
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Well put @Gordus and on point also! I think we say the point has laboured on long enough, back to posting images thanks guysBoth sides make a fair point and agree that the vehicle was probably rendered useless in some manner as it ceased operation. We don't know the extent of damage and have only unverified claims as a source. We don't see the vehicle receiving any direct hits in the video. So any claim of a "kill" has to be taken with a grain of salt and a pinch of doubt. Not siding with the enemy, just being realistic.
Another thing to take into consideration is that vehicles can receive extensive to seemingly near total loss level of damage and still be restored and put back to service. This was the case with some BMPs and Landrovers in the 2008 war, some of which received direct hits.
This seems far from it here. The MTLB in the video was prob not damaged to the point it couldn't withdraw or be recovered, even if the crew got hit.
So can we now end this pointless debate before it escalates ? it's been almost two pages now.
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Well put @Gordus and on point also! I think we say the point has laboured on long enough, back to posting images thanks guys
you wish is my command.
This MiG-29UB was "interned" in Crimea and was "graciously" returned to Ukraine by Russia in horrid shape. It took several long years to re-built the aircraft and put it back into service.
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That antenna is not a 14.5mm gun barrel, it is very expensive, so i can consider that was a kill
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ATGM ? Realy ?
I did not know that there were so many high-explosive actions in the ATGM. Banal hitting a mine.
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Official Ukrainian government interpretation of events, not just military, "civilian parties", etc. Not the first time this happened either.
Zelensky on attack on Ukrainian medical vehicle: "Sordid attempt to disrupt peace talks"
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