What I'm saying is, Putin is KGB, you'd think he'd be a bit more subtle than what has been reported. Do you really think Trump believes that Putin went to his priest and knelt down to pray for Trump? I mean, come on now.
Well there ya go. Why would a KGB agent message that and give a "beautiful portrait" of trump to trump. Either a KGB agent is stupid or Trump is known to be swayed by praise.

Honestly, Europe had 3+ years to take control of this situation while Biden was sunning himself at the beach and his staff were running the government via autopen, but did not.
Every European nation invested into their own defense immediatly after the war started. If you instead mean take control as in, start negotiations, well:
1. You have to take into consideration that maybe Russia did not see any need for such talks before
2. they waited for trump's administration like their own media said they did. Since they know they will win at the negotiation table with them what they couldnt on the battlefield.
3. It's not the most difficult to start negotiations if you're giving into the aggressors demands (we shall see this spring). We still don't even have a ceasefire anyway, even though trump said he will stop the war before he takes office or at least in 24 h after taking office

It's only been since Trump has taken charge that Europe is so offended by his looks/language/actions/etc., that they are even talking about taking steps.
Well that's a disingenuous comment since the reason europe is taking steps are the comments from Trump admin about of reducing US presence and commitment in Europe and also blackmailing Ukraine with US arms aid. Overall it's a good thing don't get me wrong.


But it's getting ridiculous that US blackmailed Ukraine to agree to a ceasefire and minerals deal. Ukraine agreed to both. Russia has not agreed to a ceasefire and hasn't received any repercussions. And Witkoff still continues to sing praises about Putin on a vatnik podcast. Nobody from Elon to Vance has commented how Russia wants to keep the war going like they did about Ukraine before. You can either still believe this is part of a 4d chess for the benefit of western powers and Ukraine or there's something else going on.
 
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An idiotic, narcissistic sociopath will only gather around him a group of lesser, stupider, etc. or sycophantic lowlifes...!
 
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Well there ya go. Why would a KGB agent message that and give a "beautiful portrait" of trump to trump. Either a KGB agent is stupid or Trump is known to be swayed by praise.
Or maybe you are reading it wrong? Maybe Witkoff is attempting to soften Putin to the negotiating table with praise. After all, it seems that Putin gave the gift and claimed that he prayed for Trump. That's pretty illuminating. Being a diplomat means you have to push 2 sides to negotiate. It seems like he's doing it while taking flak from all the Monday morning quaterbacks, (sorry, an American expression, I hope you'll understand).

But it's getting ridiculous that US blackmailed Ukraine to agree to a ceasefire and minerals deal. Ukraine agreed to both. Russia has not agreed to a ceasefire and hasn't received any repercussions. And Witkoff still continues to sing praises about Putin on a vatnik podcast. Nobody from Elon to Vance has commented how Russia wants to keep the war going like they did about Ukraine before. You can either still believe this is part of a 4d chess for the benefit of western powers and Ukraine or there's something else going on.
Every European nation invested into their own defense immediatly after the war started. If you instead mean take control as in, start negotiations, well:
1. You have to take into consideration that maybe Russia did not see any need for such talks before
2. they waited for trump's administration like their own media said they did. Since they know they will win at the negotiation table with them what they couldnt on the battlefield.
3. It's not the most difficult to start negotiations if you're giving into the aggressors demands (we shall see this spring). We still don't even have a ceasefire anyway, even though trump said he will stop the war before he takes office or at least in 24 h after taking office


Well that's a disingenuous comment since the reason europe is taking steps are the comments from Trump admin about of reducing US presence and commitment in Europe and also blackmailing Ukraine with US arms aid. Overall it's a good thing don't get me wrong.

Lots of assumptions. Actions, not words. Could the EU field a force of 300,000 to 500,000 troops and do it for decades, in order to secure peace in Ukraine? If not, why not. Europe has a population 50% greater than the US and a similar GDP.

If anyone waited for Trump, it's because it seemed he was the only one interested in ending the war. Europe it appears, wants the war to go on forever. As long as Putin is engaged with Ukraine, the rest of Europe feels safe. That's not a crazy strategy actually, but if that's the case, pour in the money to support the war - don't be cheapskates.

And about the money. Where's the money? Trump says that the US has given $350B, I don't know if that's accurate or not. But most realistic estimates, (funny we don't even know exactly), are that the US has given $250-$300 billion to Ukraine. Zelensky "says" he's only gotten $100B. Okay, where's the money? MANY people are getting rich from this war and don't want it to end.

So, if influential actors don't want the war to end, you must blackmail, cajole, push, force the parties in any way possible to accept peace.
 
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In round figures spent 8 trillion on war on rable. Not saying Ukraine is perfect but...and how come Elon hasn't had doge do the numbers. Track down these scoundrels. Because the boss has been quoting his normal standards of creative accounting when he opens his spout. As per the quadrupled floor size of his Trump tower residence
 
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Why not lower bond cost to begin with and don't have to renegotiate the contract every five weeks.
 
Or maybe you are reading it wrong? Maybe Witkoff is attempting to soften Putin to the negotiating table with praise. After all, it seems that Putin gave the gift and claimed that he prayed for Trump. That's pretty illuminating. Being a diplomat means you have to push 2 sides to negotiate. It seems like he's doing it while taking flak from all the Monday morning quaterbacks, (sorry, an American expression, I hope you'll understand).
Yes like i said; only way to defend this behaviour is by claiming that you can't be mean, to get Putin to the negotiation table, instead you have to praise him. Implying that once they are at the table they will be really tough on him. Please, Putin refused unconditional ceasefire unlike Ukraine and nothing happened, instead more praise.
Again Witkoff had no experience in being a diplomat before this job. Hes a billionaire real estate investor. A dream come true for these ex-kgb and FSB people.

Genuinely curious, would you defend biden admin like this, if they "behaved" similarly in 2023 towards Russia and Bidens billionaire friend was the envoy to Putin?



Lots of assumptions. Actions, not words. Could the EU field a force of 300,000 to 500,000 troops and do it for decades, in order to secure peace in Ukraine? If not, why not. Europe has a population 50% greater than the US and a similar GDP.
EU is not a single country like the US. Not a fair comparison.

If anyone waited for Trump, it's because it seemed he was the only one interested in ending the war. Europe it appears, wants the war to go on forever.
Again, i hope im wrong but peace at any price is not is not very desirable and negotiating over/without Ukraine. The only reason Ukraine seems to agree to this is blackmail

And about the money. Where's the money? Trump says that the US has given $350B, I don't know if that's accurate or not.
C'mon now, you know that's not accurate, the proper statistics have been posted here multiple times.
So, if influential actors don't want the war to end, you must blackmail, cajole, push, force the parties in any way possible to accept peace.
We are waiting, holding our breath, when that blackmail, cajole, push and force will apply to Russia.
There was a recent article that the US will post a deadline for a ceasefire in april, that both parties have to agree to, but let's see when and if Trump says it and also says what will happen to Russia if they don't.
 
Trump is all talk and no trousers as my old Irish Grandfather would say, he has achieved zero despite all his mouthing.
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Yes like i said; only way to defend this behaviour is by claiming that you can't be mean, to get Putin to the negotiation table, instead you have to praise him. Implying that once they are at the table they will be really tough on him. Please, Putin refused unconditional ceasefire unlike Ukraine and nothing happened, instead more praise.
Again Witkoff had no experience in being a diplomat before this job. Hes a billionaire real estate investor. A dream come true for these ex-kgb and FSB people.

Genuinely curious, would you defend biden admin like this, if they "behaved" similarly in 2023 towards Russia and Bidens billionaire friend was the envoy to Putin?




EU is not a single country like the US. Not a fair comparison.


Again, i hope im wrong but peace at any price is not is not very desirable and negotiating over/without Ukraine. The only reason Ukraine seems to agree to this is blackmail


C'mon now, you know that's not accurate, the proper statistics have been posted here multiple times.

We are waiting, holding our breath, when that blackmail, cajole, push and force will apply to Russia.
There was a recent article that the US will post a deadline for a ceasefire in april, that both parties have to agree to, but let's see when and if Trump says it and also says what will happen to Russia if they don't.
Regarding the money, we were already over $200 billion authorized a couple of years ago. Where's the money? A proper audit is in order. If you think people were squealing about shutting down USAID and the billion dollars per week going into the pockets of bad actors, just wait until they look into the Ukraine money.
 
Regarding the money, we were already over $200 billion authorized a couple of years ago. Where's the money? A proper audit is in order. If you think people were squealing about shutting down USAID and the billion dollars per week going into the pockets of bad actors, just wait until they look into the Ukraine money.
Do you know how did US count the material it gave to Ukraine, based on the current value of the stock or the cost of replacing it? I ask because i know my country calculated part of the aid value based on the value it costs to replace what has been given.
 
Do you know how did US count the material it gave to Ukraine, based on the current value of the stock or the cost of replacing it? I ask because i know my country calculated part of the aid value based on the value it costs to replace what has been given.
Yes, I do know. And the Pentagon went back a revalued, (devalued) it several times. The question remains, there are many, many billions, perhaps hundreds of billions unaccounted for. The people that money went to, want the war to continue until the last Ukrainian is gone.


EDIT: By devalue, I mean let's say $10 billion was authorized but they charged what an M-113 cost new. After they devalued the M-113 for actual value, $10 billion was still authorized.
 
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The question remains, there are many, many billions, perhaps hundreds of billions unaccounted for. The people that money went to, want the war to continue until the last Ukrainian is gone.
Are you talking about this "cap" or something else


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But on Tuesday, Mr Weisselberg said the apartment in Trump Tower measured some 10,000 sq feet ( 929sq m) - not 30,000 sq feet (2,787 sq m) suggested by financial records.

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