Politics Syrian Civil War

[Musashi]

@morris
Thank you. So it was not done on purpose. Nonetheless, that situation made Erdo feel bad enough.

 

[thanamestolga]

As far as I can see, this is shaping up as another utter failure for Erdogan. He can ship as many people as he considers undesirables to the Greek border as he wants. The border is closed. Mitsodakis took firm action, the Greek people are united behind him and it appears that the EU is now in full support of Greece. I guess Erdo can go cry to Putin over this too, if he wants.

It is one of the maybe two policies of Erdogan I am in support of. I'll donate money to buy the boats, I'll help finance human cannons to fire them across if necessary. Whether or not anybody reflects this as a victory or not, there is not much to lose. EU has done everything it can anyway, putting arms embargos left and right, they can take economic sanctions to the extreme but judging by this whole corona situation I am not sure if they would want to lose anymore trade. It is only a loss if Erdogan gives up halfway. If he keeps up the tempo nobody is going to be able to contain the buildup, and alternative routing will always be found.

Some of them will still get through, the ones that don't get through will still cost EU money to keep them out. Turkey will not be obligated to keep them, everyone who says Turkey has been letting migrants across for years, finally are not liars anymore and they get to find out what it really looks like. The years of accusations, the hypocricy. Whether or not Greek border will be crossed, this will bite the EU in the arse. And we all collectively deserve it for our countries participations in the conflicts that lead to these refugees.

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A long story short: the tsar made the sultan wait for 2 minutes before he entered the room. The sultan got bored of waiting while standing and decided to sit next to the famous clock.

Making a protocol wait 2 minutes does not do any good to show your strength. It is obvious Russia is "hurt" by a few matters. Erdo should not have gone to Moscow at all until the Russians cleared up the airstrike situation. No country in a position of strength would do something like that. Even Erdo hasn't done it.

Apparently the attack was inside Turkey.

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Incorrect. There were no "bus full of commandos".

Customs officers were hit in Agri, Dogubeyazit. And it did not happen today or yesterday. And there were not 79 dudes.

These "pantsir" shots shown at the beginning of the video are old news.

First it was "oh all the footage is Libya"

Then it was a video game.

Then it was something else.

Now when the videos are shared, they are "old". People have called the UCAV footage everything but "relevant", which they are.

 

[morris]

I think Putin is overestimated in big way, western media and polititians created supreme vilan that can appoint a American president, made Brexit to happen, controls global climate, poisoned half England, more dangerous then Ebola and what not and now they freak out about him, just look at some polititians in US and EU.

 

[Musashi]

It is one of the maybe two policies of Erdogan I am in support of. I'll donate money to buy the boats, I'll help finance human cannons to fire them across if necessary. Whether or not anybody reflects this as a victory or not, there is not much to lose. EU has done everything it can anyway, putting arms embargos left and right, they can take economic sanctions to the extreme but judging by this whole corona situation I am not sure if they would want to lose anymore trade. It is only a loss if Erdogan gives up halfway. If he keeps up the tempo nobody is going to be able to contain the buildup, and alternative routing will always be found.

Some of them will still get through, the ones that don't get through will still cost EU money to keep them out. Turkey will not be obligated to keep them, everyone who says Turkey has been letting migrants across for years, finally are not liars anymore and they get to find out what it really looks like. The years of accusations, the hypocricy. Whether or not Greek border will be crossed, this will bite the EU in the arse. And we all collectively deserve it for our countries participations in the conflicts that lead to these refugees.

As far as I'm aware, the Turkish government invested some good money into toppling al-Asshat. The EU offered some moral support, some countries donated some small arms, but it's really nothing comparing to Erdo's investments. I know the Turkish contibution is pale comparing to the GCC states.
In particular, you cannot accuse the counties, that were the most heavily hit by the refugee crisis in 2015, like Greece and Hungary, of actively supporting a regime change. I don't think they organised any anti-al-Asshat resistance groups or donated any weapons to the resistance movement.

To put is straighforwardly, I don't think there is any government in the EU who did more than Turkey to create chaos in Syria.

Another problem is the large number of non-Syrian undesirables staying in Turkey. I mean people from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Somalia, etc. Most of them want to get to the EU and Turkey does not do much to deport them.

I used to work with a guy who was born in Afghanistan and I got on with him pretty well. There was a Turkish guy who worked with me for a few weeks and the Afghan worked occassionally as my translator if the Turkish guy could not understand about 5% of what I said. The Afghan guy stayed in Turkey for a few years before he moved to the UK and his Turkish was fluent. Once, I made the Turkish guy aware of Iraqi Kurds having been in our workplace. His response was very calm and he said: "you know, that's bad. I used to be a conscripted soldier and we killed each others. I was just doing my job".
There was nothing like hatred or pride in him. A pretty neutral face with no positive or negative emotions.

Making a protocol wait 2 minutes does not do any good to show your strength. It is obvious Russia is "hurt" by a few matters. Erdo should not have gone to Moscow at all until the Russians cleared up the airstrike situation. No country in a position of strength would do something like that. Even Erdo hasn't done it.

A Turkish Internet user pointed out that Erdo did it to Putin before as well

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[thanamestolga]

As far as I'm aware, the Turkish government invested some good money into toppling al-Asshat. The EU offered some moral support, some countries donated some small arms, but it's really nothing comparing to Erdo's investments. I know the Turkish contibution is pale comparing to the GCC states.
In particular, you cannot accuse the counties, that were the most heavily hit by the refugee crisis in 2015, like Greece and Hungary, of actively supporting a regime change. I don't think they organised any anti-al-Asshat resistance groups or donated any weapons to the resistance movement.

To put is straighforwardly, I don't think there is any government in the EU who did more than Turkey to create chaos in Syria.

Another problem is the large number of non-Syrian undesirables staying in Turkey. I mean people from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Somalia, etc. Most of them want to get to the EU and Turkey does not do much to deport them.

I used to work with a guy who was born in Afghanistan and I got on with him pretty well. There was a Turkish guy who worked with me for a few weeks and the Afghan worked occassionally as my translator if the Turkish guy could not understand about 5% of what I said. The Afghan guy stayed in Turkey for a few years before he moved to the UK and his Turkish was fluent. Once, I made the Turkish guy aware of Iraqi Kurds having been in our workplace. His response was very calm and he said: "you know, that's bad. I used to be a conscripted soldier and we killed each others. I was just doing my job".
There was nothing like hatred or pride in him. A pretty neutral face with no positive or negative emotions.


A Turkish Internet user pointed out that Erdo did it to Putin before as well

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I take back what I said about Erdo not doing it then. I mean I knew he was an asshat so I should have guessed.

There is no hate for the Greeks, or Hungarians or Bulgarians. They just so happen to be the first line of defense on the way to countries that actually participated in combat in the Middle East. Greece didn't do anything to deserve refugees from Iran, Syria or Afghanistan. I think Hungary provided arms and munitions during the start of the civil war, and some to Peshmerga for the fight against ISIS, which is also fine. They've taken more Kurdish drug dealers with Turkish citizenship as political refugees, than they have taken Iraqi Kurds from the Saddam era, or Syrian Kurds from the current conflict but somehow they manage to grow the balls to throw around things about how others handle their Kurdish situation.

But countries like France, like Netherlands, like Belgium, like UK whose citizens talk about how capable their troops were in such and such country should see how much damage is caused by the conflicts their troops gained experienced in. They need to face that reality and vote accordingly in the future, that is the only way they will smarten up and realize they are not America.

 

[Chazman]

It is one of the maybe two policies of Erdogan I am in support of. I'll donate money to buy the boats, I'll help finance human cannons to fire them across if necessary. Whether or not anybody reflects this as a victory or not, there is not much to lose. EU has done everything it can anyway, putting arms embargos left and right, they can take economic sanctions to the extreme but judging by this whole corona situation I am not sure if they would want to lose anymore trade. It is only a loss if Erdogan gives up halfway. If he keeps up the tempo nobody is going to be able to contain the buildup, and alternative routing will always be found.

Some of them will still get through, the ones that don't get through will still cost EU money to keep them out. Turkey will not be obligated to keep them, everyone who says Turkey has been letting migrants across for years, finally are not liars anymore and they get to find out what it really looks like. The years of accusations, the hypocricy. Whether or not Greek border will be crossed, this will bite the EU in the arse. And we all collectively deserve it for our countries participations in the conflicts that lead to these refugees.

All that Erdo will do, is create a humanitarian crisis on the Turkish side of the border. He's already lost. Greece will not let them in, even if it needs to stand alone. The Greek people have had enough. For once the Greek government and it's citizens are in complete agreement - thanks to Erdogan.

 

[thanamestolga]

All that Erdo will do, is create a humanitarian crisis on the Turkish side of the border. He's already lost. Greece will not let them in, even if it needs to stand alone. The Greek people have had enough. For once the Greek government and it's citizens are in complete agreement - thanks to Erdogan.

Nobody can blame Greece for not taking them in. But Turkish citizens and the government are mostly in agreement that should refugees want to leave Turkey, they should not be stopped.

And every citizen should help finance their trip to Western Europe out of pocket. And as long as Erdo doesn't step back, they will. We both agree Europeans and Turks are not friends, right? If that is the case, if they don't want to be friends every Turkish citizen should use money out of pocket to ship every Afghan, Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian that wants to leave. People still haven't realized this "we are no longer butt buddies or allies" things go both ways.

 

[Chazman]

Bulgaria closes border by opening dam.

Bulgaria opens dam in Evros - Water level rises closing passage for illegal immigrants - ProtoThema English

Greece is taking every measure necessary to demonstrate its determination to guard the borders of Europe

en.protothema.gr

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Bulgaria closes border by opening dam.

Bulgaria opens dam in Evros - Water level rises closing passage for illegal immigrants - ProtoThema English

Greece is taking every measure necessary to demonstrate its determination to guard the borders of Europe

en.protothema.gr

That's one serious WW1 move right there.

 

[Musashi]

That's one serious WW1 move right there.

Desperate times require desperate countermeasures.

 

[Chazman]

Turkish forces opened fire on Greek forces on the border today. Luckily they missed. Perhaps Erdo wants a war.

 

[thanamestolga]

Turkish forces opened fire on Greek forces on the border today. Luckily they missed. Perhaps Erdo wants a war.

That is a rather serious claim. If your source is twitter I suggest you wait for the official channels and avoid feeding a fire.

 

[Musashi]

That is a rather serious claim. If your source is twitter I suggest you wait for the official channels and avoid feeding a fire.

Google couldn't help me when I tried to find an article about it yesterday.

 

[thanamestolga]

Google couldn't help me when I tried to find an article about it yesterday.

People love to start wars during the night on twitter. Can't blame the people who start the fake news, obviously there are idiots who are in demand of it, or rather want it to happen.

The biggest exchange between Turkey and Greece is;

1. Turkish Coast Guard chasing the Hellenic Coast Guard.
2. Turkish and Hellenic police exchanging 40mm tear gas.
And this;

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[tea-drinker]

Nobody can blame Greece for not taking them in. But Turkish citizens and the government are mostly in agreement that should refugees want to leave Turkey, they should not be stopped.

And every citizen should help finance their trip to Western Europe out of pocket. And as long as Erdo doesn't step back, they will. We both agree Europeans and Turks are not friends, right? If that is the case, if they don't want to be friends every Turkish citizen should use money out of pocket to ship every Afghan, Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian that wants to leave. People still haven't realized this "we are no longer butt buddies or allies" things go both ways.

There's politics but also public sentiment and then there's the reality. Reality is Erdogan has been a huge failure for Turkey and Turkish people.
He was with the strategy for Assad must go, he dragged the army into Syria, he was president when there was a coup, and when a Russian jet was shot down, and when Turkey lost NATO support. The islamification of Turkey, the attacks on education system - that's his to own too.
This is his failed strategy, and the Turkish people need to hold him accountable. Maybe when that happens we will be bumming each other again.

The part which is not usually discussed, is a similar failed EU strategy supporting wars and then spending 10's of billions on migrants from them, probably further billions as a result of security measures when our qaida butt buddies come home and start killing people by the hundreds in France, Belgium UK etc. These educated lost worker also has a huge cost in lost revenue to the EU
We in the EU will never hold our military or the politicians to account for the deaths or billions because we are ignorant peasants who like getting shafted. The public sentiment here is on a different planet compared to the politicians, but still, we will do *nothing*.
Maybe the Turks are the same?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Erdogan will keep the Turkish's borders open.

Until!

Until the EU capitulates to his demands and compares Greece to nazi Germany.

 

[thanamestolga]

There's politics but also public sentiment and then there's the reality. Reality is Erdogan has been a huge failure for Turkey and Turkish people.
He was with the strategy for Assad must go, he dragged the army into Syria, he was president when there was a coup, and when a Russian jet was shot down, and when Turkey lost NATO support. The islamification of Turkey, the attacks on education system - that's his to own too.
This is his failed strategy, and the Turkish people need to hold him accountable. Maybe when that happens we will be bumming each other again.

The part which is not usually discussed, is a similar failed EU strategy supporting wars and then spending 10's of billions on migrants from them, probably further billions as a result of security measures when our qaida butt buddies come home and start killing people by the hundreds in France, Belgium UK etc. These educated lost worker also has a huge cost in lost revenue to the EU
We in the EU will never hold our military or the politicians to account for the deaths or billions because we are ignorant peasants who like getting shafted. The public sentiment here is on a different planet compared to the politicians, but still, we will do *nothing*.
Maybe the Turks are the same?

For years I have been of the opinion that Erdogan has caused more internal damage to Turkey than he has externally. I find a lot of what he is blamed for externally to be untrue and the actual damage he has caused to be ignored by the vast majority in the West. Case in point like you said, the coup, the educations system, the financial corruptions..

But blaming him for NATO's lost support, blaming him for the Syrian war. These are not things I would blame him for.

He is accused of ethnic cleansing and doing unspeakable things to Kurds;

1. Under his watch the leader of PKK was given a voice for the first time since capture.
2. First attempt at peace with PKK was under his watch, in fact the Kurds could have chief's of Police and military officers fired for doing their job between 2012-2015, because of Erdogan's peace process.
3. He supported YPG in Syria between 2014-2015.
4. He has given more recognition to KRG than any other Turkish politician, while taking some of it away also.
5. Kurdish became common under his leadership. Kurdish education, Kurdish TV became available. This might be seen as a small deal, but he was the first.
6. He has support from the majority of Kurdish clans.
7. He let YPG grow under his watch, no administration before him would have.

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1. He was championed as a bringer of democracy for a decade in the West.
2. When the military tried to pipe down Erdogan in the mid 2000's, this faced near condemnation in the West. EU Parliament told the mil to not intervene, the US "agreed with the EU statement". A coup could have very well happened in 2003-2004, but I believe it would have been met with sanctions, embargo's etc.
3. Erdogan was the biggest vocal supporter for Turkey to join the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
4. When thousands were purged as "ultra secularists" (including myself for a short time) the EU did not say a word, but they said everything they could in 2016. When Erdogan purged us in 2007-2011, there was no legal, vocal, verbal or any help from the West, but they did a complete 180 in 2016.

EU accepted political asylum of people who are known to participate in the Turkish purges of 2007-2011, simply because of their recent stance on being anti Erdo post 2016. Former Turkish NCO's who interrogated a female Turkish Air Force LT, falsely accusing her of group sex with officers, leading her to commit suicide have Belgian political asylum at the moment. Because Erdogan. Erdogan is but an excuse to show what everybody really thinks about Turks.

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At this point, even if Erdogan goes, the situation will continue to deteriorate. The Kemalists want to pound the Kurds harder, the traditional military officers like Ismail Metin Temel, who wanted to get rid of Assad in 2018 had to be sent to Ankara because Erdogan did not want to upset anybody. Nobody wants NATO long term, don't want to waste resources on its operations, exercises. No politician, no officer wants anymore Turkish money landing in NATO in the next few years, They would rather help Ukraine finance joint projects and use the engines, munitions etc on whatever targets they want, than to keep thinking about EU/NATO arms embargos, limits etc.

US/NATO chose to support Kurds over Turkish military intervention in Syria.

Turkey was accused of letting refugees flow to Europe for years, and vice versa for letting militants into Syria for years. Even though it was revealed Turkey arrested and deported everyone that EU/US asked Turkey to detain. But all of it was ignored, because "Kurds".

Turkey was accused of supporting ISIS, despite leading the single largest NATO country operation against ISIS. Have you seen anything documented on the field in relation to Turkey and ISIS? Because I can show you documented footage of US officers posing with legitimate PKK members that have been on Turkey's wanted list since before the Syrian civil war.

NATO supported the YPG/SDF despite such a heavy PKK influence, they gave high ranking positions to known PKK members who are even known to the US and EU as big time drug smugglers that financed PKK activities in Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Mazloum Kobane or whats his face, Sahin Cilo is a well known big time drug financier of PKK, now he is a "General" with no military education, and a blue tick on twitter.

Now show me, who Turkey has equipped, armed, trained and used which led to the harm of NATO personnel? Because I can show you US/NATO equipment given to YPG, along with uniforms and personnel caught in the act of attacking Turkish assets.

I am not saying Turkey is not at fault. There were times where Turkey was passive and had incorrect, but this harmed Turkey more than it harmed everybody else. Turkish activities in Syria since 2016 is a reaction to the mistakes prior to 2016.

Erdogan will keep the Turkish's borders open.

Until!

Until the EU capitulates to his demands and compares Greece to nazi Germany.

You talk a lot for a guy who hails from the country who sent troops to defend the official government in Mali, while supporting the guy who is trying to bring down the official government in Libya. Quite far away from home too, one must say. But that's France though, isn't it? Messing up wherever they go.

 

[Chazman]

That is a rather serious claim. If your source is twitter I suggest you wait for the official channels and avoid feeding a fire.

It was reported in Greek news, I'll try to find the link. There was a link with English subtitles I'll try to find.

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But this also happened last night, http://www.ekathimerini.com/250482/...JQn4rSpe9lUsaxXCf8dzBMcduTaAeFAGAvsgwH1Zp2bEA

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Turkey's Erdogan accuses Greece of Nazi tactics against migrants at border

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan accused Greek security forces on Wednesday of behaving like Nazis for using force against migrants trying to cross the border from Turkey into the European Union.

www.reuters.com

Erdo's words...


As for Turkey's-ISIS/ISIL relationship?
Hum... Yeah, one can wonder where this comes from...

Armenia defense minister accuses Turkey of supporting ISIS

“Problems with neighbors concern us all,” Seyran Ohanyan stressed…

news.am

SAS deployed in Libya since start of year, says leaked memo

King Abdullah of Jordan indicates US was briefed about plans for Jordanian special forces to operate alongside British

www.theguardian.com

King of Jordan, Abdullah, said that the Turkish president "believes in a radical Islamic solution to the problems in the region" and the "fact that terrorists are going to Europe is part of Turkish policy, and Turkey keeps getting a slap on the hand, but they get off the hook".

Egypt Slams Turkey's Erdogan as 'Terrorism Supporter' After Critical UN Speech

Egypt retaliates to Erdogan criticism of UN for watching Egypt overthrow an elected leader.

www.ibtimes.co.uk

'ISIS Sees Turkey as Its Ally': Former Islamic State Member Reveals Turkish Army Cooperation - Newsweek

A former member of Islamic State recounts travelling through Turkey in an ISIS convoy to attack Kurdish forces as the Turkish army turned a blind eye

www.newsweek.com

Islamic State fighter: 'Turkey paved the way for us'

MEMRI report on interview of jihadi: 'We will build the Islamic state in the territories from Tigris to Jordan and Palestine and to Lebanon. Sunni Law will rule.'

www.jpost.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/how-turkey-became-the-shopping-mall-for-the-islamic-state/2014/08/12/5eff70bf-a38a-4334-9aa9-ae3fc1714c4b_story.html

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Business Insider tells the global tech, finance, stock market, media, economy, lifestyle, real estate, AI and innovative stories you want to know.

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ISIS commander treated in Turkish hospital ‘like all other citizens’

Authorities in Turkey have confirmed social media reports that an injured Islamic State commander is being treated in a Denizli hospital, saying the militant has every right to receive medical care as he is a Turkish citizen.

www.rt.com

New report shows Turkey-ISIL links

A new report shows that Turkey is helping the Takfiri militants cross the border into Syria.

web.archive.org

Turkey paying price for jihadist highway on border

The hostage crisis in Mosul is the boomerang effect of Ankara’s policy of opening its borders to jihadists.

www.al-monitor.com

Turkey should close its border to ISIS

The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) has depended on the Turkish border for its operations in Syria; US Sen. Tim Kaine offers a blueprint for US-Egypt ties; Al-Monitor’s Year in Review and Back Channel.

www.al-monitor.com

Obama demands that Turkey close frontier with Syria

Ankara is accused of tolerance of – if not complicity with – the terrorists, who use border as a crossing point for Isis recruits and oil sales

www.independent.co.uk

Research Paper: ISIS-Turkey Links

Is Turkey collaborating with the Islamic State (ISIS)? Allegations range from military cooperation and weapons transfers to logistical support, financial assistance, and the provision of medical services.

www.huffpost.com

Exclusive: Turkish intelligence helped ship arms to Syrian Islamist rebel areas

Turkey's state intelligence agency helped deliver arms to parts of Syria under Islamist rebel control during late 2013 and early 2014, according to a prosecutor and court testimony from gendarmerie officers seen by Reuters.

www.reuters.com

Turkish journalists charged over claim that secret services armed Syrian rebels

Two editors from the opposition Cumhuriyet newspaper face lengthy jail sentences for alleging that Ankara’s intelligence agency was supplying weapons

www.theguardian.com

Turkish officers arrested for ‘treason’ after intercepting weapons destined for Syria

Three Turkish officers, involved in the inspection of an intelligence agency’s weapons-filled trucks, allegedly destined for Syrian terror groups, have been arrested on treason and espionage charges. Meanwhile journalists who broke the news face similar charges.

www.rt.com

Turkish court sentences defendants in MİT trucks case - Türkiye News

A Turkish court on June 28 sentenced a group of seven gendarmerie officers and prosecutors over the 2014 case of National Intelligence Organization (MİT) trucks stopped illegally near the Turkish-Syrian border.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Video purports to show Turkish intelligence shipping arms to Syria

A Turkish newspaper published video footage on Friday which it said showed security forces discovering weapons parts being sent to Syria on trucks belonging to the MIT state intelligence agency.

www.reuters.com

‘OK, big brother’: Turkish military cooperate with ISIS on border, telephone calls reveal

Further proof of ties between the Turkish military and Islamic State fighters operating on the Syrian-Turkish border has been revealed in the Cumhuriyet newspaper, which published more transcripts of telephone calls between the jihadists and officers.

www.rt.com

Wiretapped calls reveal communication between Turkish officers and ISIS – report

Turkish officers on the Syrian border have communicated with Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, Turkey's Cumhuriyet daily reported, citing an investigation by the Ankara Chief Prosecutor's office which allegedly eavesdropped on their phone calls.

www.rt.com

500 rebels cross Turkish border towards Syrian town of Azaz: Observatory - World News

At least 500 rebels on Feb. 17 crossed the Turkish border heading for the Syrian town of Azaz in northern Aleppo province, a monitor said, where opposition forces have suffered setbacks at the hands of the YPG forces

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Turkey accused of recruiting ex-Isis fighters to attack Kurds in Syria

Exclusive: Former Isis fighter tells The Independent that Turkey is using the name of the now defunct, Western-backed Free Syrian Army to conceal its use of jihadi mercenaries

www.independent.co.uk

New sanctions show Turkey’s double standards on terror

Lt.-Gen. Saad al-Allaq told CNN on November 18 that ‘senior members of ISIS are plotting mass prison breaks and a resurgence of terror after taking refuge in Turkey.’

www.jpost.com

And the list goes on, and on, and on...

 

[thanamestolga]

That is the single saddest chain of links anybody has posted in the history of the Syrian civil war.

1. If you take Armenia as a source for a conflict in Syria, it just means you probably googled "Turkey ISIS" and pasted as many articles as you could find. Search for Hulusi Akar's response to an Armenian MP. Because Armenia is the authority on intelligence in Syria right, and they have no bias.

2. King Abdullah should have been made aware that he made the same deal as Turkey in 2011, when Obama asked to open training camps for deserted Syrian Army soldiers. King Abdullah should also be made well aware that Turkey arrested and deported thousands of ISIS candidates sent in the form of lists by EU for years. The very proof exists in the Brussels airport bombing.

3. "ISIS see's Turkey as an ally" yet declared jihad on Turkey, and called Erdogan a crusader. In fact Turkey was referred to as an enemy in ISIS magazines like Dabiq, more than most NATO countries.

4. Read the rest of that article. France is mentioned. Fail. A former FSA (Turkish supported) fighter who received Turkish medical attention (like everybody else at the border like Israel but whatever) left FSA and joined ISIS and that is Turkey's fault.

5. Read 3.

6. It is well known that everybody including PKK get medical attention in Turkey. That must mean Turkey is allied with PKK, no?

7. Stamping passports at the border constitutes support for ISIS?

8. I do not have access to Al-Monitor, cannot read it.

9. I thought HuffPost was fake news? Or is it real news when it is convenient?

10. Was it not Obama who decided to ship weapons to rebels first? And did this in agreement with the rest of NATO? Why is only Turkey named?

11. ISIS portion of the Turkish border was the first to be closed, even before YPG.

12. "Accused". You know what accused means?

13. Read 10.

14. Read 10. Not ISIS related.

15. Read 10. Not ISIS related.

16. Read 10. Not ISIS related.

You recycled the same news with different links for a non ISIS situation.

17. You posted a Turkish investigation, about Turkish Intelligence trying to retrieve a captured soldier, who was later executed by ISIS as proof of Turkish ISIS alliance? I sh!t on this logic, Alan. Read the damn article, and the links in the article before you post it, Alan. Turkey also communicated with ISIS to retrieve people in Mosul, Turkey also communicates with PKK in Oslo. What is your damn point, Alan?

18. Read 17. Are you recycling the same news with different links to make it look signficant?

19. You see any reference to ISIS, Alan?

20. "Accused of recruiting ex-ISIS". Hey Alan, why aren't you posting the video documented evidence of YPG recruiting ISIS fighters? There is "alleged", there is "accused", there is "reported" and then there is EVIDENCE, Alan.

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21. Read the article Alan. Companies with links, from Turkey, to the Gulf, and Europe. Turkey =/=.

None of this constitutes proof Alan, read your damn articles, Alan.

I will get you some links when I get back.