Photos People's Republic of China (PLA)

[bdpopeye]

A very American look to the architecture and air wing composition on these CGIs. I read a report recently that it will be conventionally powered and the PLAN will limit this class to 2 from the original 4 planned. The PLAN is finding carrier operations to be very expensive and FAR more complex than expected.

Exactly. You can't tell that to the Chinese fan bois. You know the PLAN does not have enough aircraft for ONE carrier. Right now dual carrier operations are a pipe dream. There may be engine issues with the J-15.

These photos show the aircraft carrier Shandong berths at a naval port in Sanya. China’s first domestically-made aircraft carrier Shandong (Hull 17) was officially commissioned to the PLA Navy at a military port in Sanya, South China’s Hainan Province, on the afternoon of December 17, 2019, making China one of the few countries in the world that have multiple carriers. Chinese President Xi Jinping attended the commissioning ceremony for the new aircraft carrier, which was named after China’s eastern province of Shandong, and handed military flag to Senior Captain Lai Yijun, commander of the ship. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photos by Feng Kaixuan)









For HI-RES of all these PIX go here >>>> CNS Shandong Hull 17

 

[bdpopeye]

J-10 fighter jet attached to an aviation brigade of the air force under the PLA Southern Theater Command taxies to the runway for a recent round-the-clock combat flight training exercise. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Wei Jinxin and Li Yixuan)



Pilots assigned to an aviation brigade of the air force under the PLA Southern Theater Command lower the canopy on their J-10 fighter jet before taxiing to take off during a recent round-the-clock combat flight training exercise. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Wei Jinxin and Li Yixuan)



Three J-10 fighter jets attached to an aviation brigade of the air force under the PLA Southern Theater Command arrive for duty at a military airfield in eastern China during a recent round-the-clock combat flight training exercise. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Wei Jinxin and Li Yixuan)



Four J-10 fighter jets attached to an aviation brigade of the air force under the PLA Southern Theater Command fly in an echelon formation in an aerial patrol mission during a recent round-the-clock combat flight training exercise. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Wei Jinxin and Li Yixuan)



A group of J-10 fighter jets attached to an aviation brigade of the air force under the PLA Southern Theater Command sit abreast with each other awaiting takeoff at night during a recent round-the-clock combat flight training exercise. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Wei Jinxin and Li Yixuan)

HI-RES is Here >>> J-10 fighter jets

 

[Chazman]

Exactly. You can't tell that to the Chinese fan bois. You know the PLAN does not have enough aircraft for ONE carrier. Right now dual carrier operations are a pipe dream. There may be engine issues with the J-15.

These photos show the aircraft carrier Shandong berths at a naval port in Sanya. China’s first domestically-made aircraft carrier Shandong (Hull 17) was officially commissioned to the PLA Navy at a military port in Sanya, South China’s Hainan Province, on the afternoon of December 17, 2019, making China one of the few countries in the world that have multiple carriers. Chinese President Xi Jinping attended the commissioning ceremony for the new aircraft carrier, which was named after China’s eastern province of Shandong, and handed military flag to Senior Captain Lai Yijun, commander of the ship. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photos by Feng Kaixuan)









For HI-RES of all these PIX go here >>>> CNS Shandong Hull 17

It seems to me that the PLAN's carriers are boutique, experimental, training ships. Never sailing very far from the coast and with the ski jump, limiting aircraft payload, fuel and range. I'd be surprised if those aircraft have a range of 200 miles in that configuration.

I've also noticed that neither the Type 055 destroyers or aircraft carrier have deployed anywhere, not even off the coast of the Gulf of Aden for anti-piracy missions. Perhaps they don't trust their reliability?

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Hello gentlemen, I have a request:

Do you guys have photos of China's landbased militia? According to Wikipedia, China has the largest militia in the world but almost no photos of them, their training, nor equipment.

There's more photos, videos, and analysis on China's Maritime Militia than there is of their regular militia from my searches.

 

[downsizer]

I haven't seen many photos of night ops from their carriers either, only a few trials....

 

[bdpopeye]

I haven't seen many photos of night ops from their carriers either, only a few trials....

Very few carrier night ops photos from a PLAN carrier. I've seen only one set. The biggest issue the PLAN is having aboard it's carrier is the J-15 "Flying Shark" engines are suspect....under powered.

Shenyang WS-10B Taihang Doesn’t Solve China’s Engine Nightmare

Chengdu J-20 Advanced radars, missiles, an ability to network with other platforms, and low-observable technology count for little if a pilot cannot fly an aircraft safely, complete a mission and c…

www.globaldefensecorp.com

I've also noticed that neither the Type 055 destroyers or aircraft carrier have deployed anywhere, not even off the coast of the Gulf of Aden for anti-piracy missions. Perhaps they don't trust their reliability?

The PLAN has only one Type 055 DDG. And it is not officially commissioned. The furthest away the Chinese carrier has been away from it's homeport is Hong Kong.

Do you guys have photos of China's landbased militia? According to Wikipedia, China has the largest militia in the world but almost no photos of them, their training, nor equipment.

Try these links....

Photos - Ministry of National Defense

Brings you the latest photo reports on Chinese Armed Forces.

eng.mod.gov.cn

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mil.news.sina.com.cn

Warning..the second link is in Chinese. The google translator works well. But watch out for pop ups.
They have malware!!!

 

[bdpopeye]

Good read...

How China Stole an Entire Airplane

Beijing has repeatedly pledged to halt its industrial espionage campaigns. But it has never actually kept its promises.

Jeff Ferry
DEC 16, 2019

In April 2018, a Chinese intelligence agent named Xu Yanjun arrived in Belgium. He was there for a clandestine meeting with a GE engineer he believed would sell him confidential aircraft technology belonging to GE Aviation. Instead, Xu was met by a team of Belgian police and FBI agents, put into handcuffs, and escorted to a Belgian prison. His arrest, and a subsequent investigation, uncovered one of the most audacious industrial espionage schemes ever conducted by China.

Xu, a deputy division director in the Chinese spy agency JSSD, was allegedly one of the leaders of a scheme to steal information from U.S. and international firms working with the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC). The Chinese company was already partnering with western firms to design and build a new narrow-body jet, the C919. But with the likely approval of COMAC, China’s spy agency decided to quietly steal the western firms’ respective technologies.

An indictment filed in California on October 25, 2018, charged 10 individuals with conspiring to steal aerospace trade secrets from 13 western companies, most of them U.S.-based. The indictment also revealed that French aerospace manufacturer Safran was infiltrated when employees in its Suzhou, China, office inserted malware into the Safran computer network. This malware gave Chinese agents access to Safran’s confidential files.

According to a detailed report by the U.S. cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike, the espionage operation was run by China’s Jiangsu State Security Division (JSSD). Chinese spies recruited engineers at the partner firms either through appeals to misplaced Chinese patriotism, or bribes, or both. One Chinese agent indicted in October 2018 was a GE engineer named Zhang Zhang-Gui. Zhang had traveled to China and given a lecture to a group of Chinese aerospace engineers. At the talk, he allegedly disclosed confidential GE information for a payment of just $3,500. Zhang had arranged the meeting after telling work colleagues he would be attending a family wedding. He later admitted to the FBI that there was no wedding.

What did COMAC gain from its overall espionage operation? Even with help from its western partners, COMAC has experienced significant difficulties in developing the C919 to a point where it could match the performance of major competitors like Boeing and Airbus. Crowdstrike believes that JSSD’s hacking of the various western aerospace companies allowed COMAC to trim “several years (and potentially billions of dollars) off of its development time.”

The C919 story demonstrates the pitfalls of western companies partnering with Chinese firms. Beijing has repeatedly pledged to halt its industrial espionage campaigns. But it has never actually kept its promises.

China stands alone in the world in the way it engages in broad-based, pervasive industrial espionage through the use of human sources, cyber-intrusion, and outright theft across a countless number of industries. According to U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, China’s IP theft costs the US between $225 billion and $600 billion each year. And Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) has told this author that China’s repeated hacking of U.S. firms represents “the largest case of theft in the history of the world.”

If there is a thief in your neighborhood who sometimes pays for goods, you don’t try to do more business with him. Until China demonstrates a fundamental strategic change and a willingness to live by globally accepted rules for corporate and intellectual property, the U.S. should continue the tariffs imposed in 2018 by the Trump administration. Until then, the United States should do less business with China, not more.

Jeff Ferry is chief economist at the Coalition for a Prosperous America (CPA).

PDF link: https://www.crowdstrike.com/resourc...huge-fan-of-your-work-intelligence-report.pdf

 

[Chazman]

Very few carrier night ops photos from a PLAN carrier. I've seen only one set. The biggest issue the PLAN is having aboard it's carrier is the J-15 "Flying Shark" engines are suspect....under powered.

Shenyang WS-10B Taihang Doesn’t Solve China’s Engine Nightmare

Chengdu J-20 Advanced radars, missiles, an ability to network with other platforms, and low-observable technology count for little if a pilot cannot fly an aircraft safely, complete a mission and c…

www.globaldefensecorp.com

The J-15 is full of bugs and quality issues because it is copied from stolen Russian IP. It may have been cheaper just to have payed the Russians for aircraft. Until I see one of these carriers deployed to the other side of the world for 6 months without needing to be towed back with a tug, I 'll see them as nothing more than a propaganda paper tiger.

 

[bdpopeye]

The J-15 is full of bugs and quality issues because it is copied from stolen Russian IP.

The aircraft does have issues..and actually..

However, the PLAN was able to make do with another useful trinket it picked up in Ukraine—a Soviet-era Su-33 prototype, the T-10K-3. China purchased it in 2001 and the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (aka Institute 601) quickly set about reverse-engineering it.

Can you say rip off?...

The J-15 Flying Shark: China Has Its Very Deadly Aircraft Carrier Jets

But how good are they?

nationalinterest.org

Until I see one of these carriers deployed to the other side of the world for 6 months without needing to be towed back with a tug, I 'll see them as nothing more than a propaganda paper tiger.

Yep... The ship has been in comission for SEVEN YEARS and had made ZERO deployments. It is stated on Chinese boards that the ship is a "training carrier". 'nuff said.

 

[bdpopeye]

Photos of CNS Shandong Hull 17 during commissioning 18 December 2019 at Sanya, south China's Hainan Province, China.

 

[bdpopeye]

Chinese BJC16 submachine gun.

I know nothing about PLA ground gear. So you gents are going to have to look it up.

 

[downsizer]

The aircraft does have issues..and actually..



Can you say rip off?...

The J-15 Flying Shark: China Has Its Very Deadly Aircraft Carrier Jets

But how good are they?

nationalinterest.org

Yep... The ship has been in comission for SEVEN YEARS and had made ZERO deployments. It is stated on Chinese boards that the ship is a "training carrier". 'nuff said.

I'm not navy (I worked hard at school and joined the Air Force), but I have maintained aircraft on a carrier, and (as you'll know) it is not easy. the difficulty of moving frames around the deck and operating in a confined environment can't be underestimated. I'm sure the Chinese will get their but carrier aviation is a hard earned skill.

 

[bdpopeye]

A counter-terrorism drill is under way in the context of hostage rescue among the special operations soldiers of a mobile team with the Hebei Armed Police Corps at a training ground in North China's Hebei Province. (Photochinadaily.com.cn)

 

[bdpopeye]

Recent Flight deck photo of the CNS Shandong CV-17;



I've been following the PLAN carrier for some time. Since 2005 actually when all there was was speculation...that stated.... in reference to CNS Liaoning CV-16;

1) I've never seen the PLAN carrier refuel at sea.
2) I've never seen the PLAN carrier conduct a UNREP or VERTREP of any sort.
3) I've never see a rig the barricade drill aboard the Chinese carrier.
4) Never seen a photo of any aircraft being refueled aboard the PLAN CV.
5) I've seen only one photo of a flight deck fire fighting drill on the PLAN CV....and that was staged.
6) The PLAN carrier has no jet shop. How will they do major repairs to the jet engines that FOD out or just simply breakdown??
7) The Chinese carrier has been in service since 23 September 2012.

Curious...

 

[BravoZulu]

Great questions there @bdpopeye old mate and would love to see if PLAN actually have those abilities (amongst others) but I'm thinking that at the present time there is a lot of "punch" but little "Judy" in their show.

Type 052D off Iran:

 

[bdpopeye]

In my opinion these soldiers footwear is substandard for these weather conditions

Recruits are walking on a snowy plateau. (Photo/chinadaily.com.cn)

Thousands of new recruits received training on a snowy plateau in Northwest China's Gansu Province.



In the early morning of Dec 22, a rushed sound of an emergency muster broke the tranquility at the third regiment camp for recruits of the Armed Police Force's Gansu Provincial Corps on an altitude of over 3,000 meters above sea level.



More than 2,000 new recruits, mostly born after the year 2000, quickly assembled after hearing orders, and field training started under the extreme cold of -23 C.

Most of these young recruits born in the 2000s are from provinces like Sichuan in Southwest China and Hebei in the north, and have hardly experienced extreme weather.



The training covers tactics, commands and coordination practice, including basic tactical movements, formation changes and armed assaults.



Several children saluted the recruits in the cold weather of -21 C. (Photo/chinadaily.com.cn)

 

[BravoZulu]

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

Recent Flight deck photo of the CNS Shandong CV-17;



I've been following the PLAN carrier for some time. Since 2005 actually when all there was was speculation...that stated.... in reference to CNS Liaoning CV-16;

1) I've never seen the PLAN carrier refuel at sea.
2) I've never seen the PLAN carrier conduct a UNREP or VERTREP of any sort.
3) I've never see a rig the barricade drill aboard the Chinese carrier.
4) Never seen a photo of any aircraft being refueled aboard the PLAN CV.
5) I've seen only one photo of a flight deck fire fighting drill on the PLAN CV....and that was staged.
6) The PLAN carrier has no jet shop. How will they do major repairs to the jet engines that FOD out or just simply breakdown??
7) The Chinese carrier has been in service since 23 September 2012.

Curious...

Paper tiger you thinking?

 

[BravoZulu]

PLA(N):
Type 056 corvettes on patrol. With 71 ships launched since 2012, Type 056 has become the most widely produced surface combatant of the modern era.
The Type 056 Corvette is a small warship displacing around 1400 tons full load, with a crew of around 60 persons. It comes in General Purpose (056) and Anti-Submarine Warfare (056A) variants. In addition to its 76mm main gun, armament consist of four YJ-83 anti-ship missiles (or alternatively Yu-8 rocket-launched torpedoes) in 2-cell box launchers angled port and starboard, 30mm guns port and starboard (or 14.5mm guns on the latest batch), an 8-cell HQ-10 short-range SAM launcher aft, and triple ASW torpedo tubes port and starboard. The GP variant has hull mounted sonar only while the ASW variant adds towed array and variable depth sonars. There is a small landing pad aft, but no hangar.

 

[bdpopeye]

Posted on Sinodefenceforum by by78,

Magazine scans of a special report on Shandong. All images are high-resolution.