Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.

[Ivan le Fou]

Iran is hurriedly rewriting its org charts…

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"The crimes of the Israeli regime cross the red lines"

How about starting with not training and funding people to conduct a raid into Israel to kill, butcher and kidnap as many civilians as possible?

 

[nemipuka_]

Mossad have successfully penetrate the Iranian nuclear program, so I guess SpaceX will have some technical difficulties in the future.

 

[Mike1976]

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Mossad have successfully penetrate the Iranian nuclear program, so I guess SpaceX will have some technical difficulties in the future.

That Musk looks to be in poor health. If I was him I would avoid high risk items such as tea, umbrellas, windows, cars and phones.

 

[Vorph]

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...really? His account hacked or something?

 

[Mike1976]

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...really? His account hacked or something?

Or he's never heard of the concept of a "radio".

 

[Nansouty]

https://x.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1718387211878748241?s=20

Looks like something started, and started well.

 

[Mike1976]

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The Gaza siege plan
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Siege of Gaza, suffocation of Hamas operatives in tunnels, and occupation of a security strip inside Gaza until Hamas surrenders, the demilitarization of the strip and the release of the abductees.
*Not to act in the way that Hamas expects us to act and prepared for*

*Publicizing the siege plan scares and stresses Hamas leaders and will be a catalyst to bring about results*
**
base assumption:
- For 15 years, Hamas prepared a vast tunnel system, an underground state, precisely against the entry of Israeli forces.

- When Hamas carried out Black Sabbath, it was exactly expecting a "cast lead" style ground response and the other operations.

- Hamas is counting on us entering every bunker and every tunnel with tweezers in order to exact a heavy blood price from us.

- Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas want us to invest many forces deep in the Gaza Strip so that we have fewer forces available for another campaign, in the north and also in Judea and Samaria and more.

- Hamas wants us to get involved during the entry, which will force us to cause heavy collateral damage of killing Gazan children, etc., so that the world will force us to stop.

- Hamas has probably removed many assets, including leadership and commanders to the south of the Gaza Strip, leaving simple activists in the north of the Gaza Strip to quarrel with us.
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- **We must not act according to the expectation of Hamas**
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The siege plan for Hamas in northern Gaza:
1. To surprise *and not go deep into the Gaza Strip as Hamas expects us to do*, but to impose a complete siege on the north of the Gaza Strip, dry up and suffocate the Hamas terrorists in the tunnels until they are forced to leave.
2. To create a new security strip 2 km deep into the territory of the strip along our entire border, a permanent strip. This is through the use of massive firepower and ground forces, and engineering. Imagine bulldozers simply leveling the area.
3. Continuously use firepower on Hamas all over the Strip. Israel conducts a continuous series of targeted ground operations with enormous firepower, to separate neighborhood from neighborhood from Hamas. There is no need to hunt down every Hamasnik in a hole and a tunnel.
4. The residents of Gaza stay in the southern half of the Strip or outside the Strip until the end of the war: when Hamas disarms unilaterally and releases all the hostages. This, of course, according to international law, to preserve their lives. Countries around the world can take in the refugees—temporarily, of course—until Hamas surrenders and the war ends. Between 6 months and 5 years.
5. In the south of the Gaza Strip, humanitarian corridors are allowed, and we allow (but do not give ourselves): water, food, medicine. This is as required by international law.
6. Do not allow any drop of fuel to enter the entire strip. Without fuel there are no tunnels because there is no ventilation and no lighting. Every drop that enters the Gaza Strip goes to Hamas. Fuel = fighting. So not a bit.
7. Strategic patience: make the passing time work in our favor. We have all the time in the world.
8. After initial ground operations, 250,000 military personnel must be released home as soon as possible, in order to release economic-civil pressure, to restore the economy and life to order. We must not just stress ourselves artificially just because we called up 350,000 reservists.
9. Any country in the world that expresses pain over the situation of the refugees in the south is invited to temporarily host refugees (Scotland, Egypt, Turkey, etc.).
10. Avoid collateral damage as much as possible, which could interrupt the Israeli operation before achieving Hamas's surrender.

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Advantages of the program:
- Trickery and surprise: this is exactly the opposite of what Hamas has been preparing for for a decade. Contrary to what he expects us to do. Hamas believes that we have a breathing space of 4-5 weeks inside Gaza and then we will leave, as has always happened in the last decade.

- Dehydrates Hamas operatives. Imagine "Muhammad" a Hamas operative who is currently waiting for us in the tunnel, alert and ready. Under siege, he will be forced to wait for months in his damp tunnel, wet, hungry, depressed, and when the fuel runs out, the tunnel will go dark, and there will be no oxygen: his family may be in the mud in the southern Gaza Strip or in Egypt or Belgium: what am I doing here?

- transfers the pressure from Israel to Hamas; Passing the lever from Hamas to us. Right now all the leverage is with them. the abductees They will play and play us. This thing turns the bowl and basically the lever goes to us.

- The Hamas leadership will find itself in a dilemma: either Hamas or the state of Gaza. If Sinuar does not disarm he will go down in history as the one who destroyed his country and brought a historical disaster on his people.

- Dramatically reduces the chances of Hezbollah involvement: a. They have no specific trigger to go to war. B. Israeli forces are kept fresh and free to strike in Lebanon.

- A sustainable political line of defense: until the Israelis do not return home, neither will the Gazans return home. Everyone is going home together: Israeli hostages are returning home to Israel, families from Gaza will return only when Hamas disappears, and the residents of Gaza will also be able to return because the war is over and the danger to their lives has passed.

- The program was tested by DBA experts and meets all the tests of international law.

I see some major flaws in this, mainly the bit of leaving the tunnels alone which imo will:

- Ensure that supplies continue to reach Hamas in the northern part of Gaza and enable them to rotate units keeping their morale intact;
- Enable Hamas to attack the IDF in the rear in areas that were previously cleared. This siege idea is based on the incorrect notion that Hamas can effectively be kept underground, but they will never be able to find every tunnel entrance before attacks are launched from them and neither will all tunnels be found that are used for logistics even with Israel's vast experience at combatting tunnels. This problem is exacerbated when IDF reservists are sent home and the number of troops becomes insufficient to patrol and control the area. It also assumes that they will want to stay underground instead of martyring themselves in FIBUA where much of the Israeli advantage in firepower means nothing (see Oct. 08);
- Israel won't get the time to starve out northern Gaza regardless of whether it's of fuel, food, medical supplies etc. International support will have collapsed long before that even in the US. In the 21st century a western backed nation, especially a democracy, doesn't get to use besieging as a weapon;
- He also incorrectly assumes that Hamas cares for the population of Gaza one bit, or that international opinion (muslims and socialists) will care one bit about how the population of Gaza is treated by Hamas or Israel. Hamas can do no wrong because Israel exists;
- Like bulldozing houses to create a security corridor will be presented as stealing land;
- How does starving out Hamas in northern Gaza lead to the defeat of Hamas when the leadership can just camp out in the southern part of Gaza until the US tells Israel to go home? With the birthrate of Gaza a new batch of young martyrs are a dime a dozen. You can't destroy the leadership of Hamas by airstrikes alone or dismantle their organization, only chip away parts of it. A lot of the leadership of Hamas is known to Israel. In order to get to them you need to process everyone who dies and who survives through forensics to identify them and take them out back arrest them.

 

[Musashi]

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[Mike1976]

https://x.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1718387211878748241?s=20

Looks like something started, and started well.

Looks more like they are removing the flag, was this by any chance actually shot in the West Bank to diffuse tensions between settlers and Palestinians?

 

[Vorph]

Seems a bit odd to actually post what the mission objectives are publicly, what happened to opsec?

 

[Chazman]

Is Erdo bat$hit crazy?

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[Vorph]

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For F***'s sake...

Here's her smiling reaction to the Hamas attack:

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I bet you're not smiling anymore are you bitch?

 

[IDF_TANKER]

Or he's never heard of the concept of a "radio".

Internet is already being restored. Also, leaflets.

 

[IDF_TANKER]

Is Erdo bat$hit crazy?

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At this point I wish he’d do it. Just because I’m really really curious to see what is going to happen to, say, armored divisions invading the Golan. We do need some comic relief in these trying times…

 

[IDF_TANKER]

Looks more like they are removing the flag, was this by any chance actually shot in the West Bank to diffuse tensions between settlers and Palestinians?

The guy filming it says “heart of Gaza”. I’m assuming the old pole didn’t do it, so they were relocating it or something…

 

[m208]

Gantz calls on Netanyahu to retract comments blaming security, intelligence forces for Oct. 7 attack

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www.timesofisrael.com

so i dont understand why is everyone blaming netanyahu on what happened on the 7th..... isnt it the resposnibility of the intelligence community/organizations to update him on daily/weekly bases?

they didnt do their job ..... why are they blaming him???? its like blaming george bush for 9/11

 

[IDF_TANKER]

Gantz calls on Netanyahu to retract comments blaming security, intelligence forces for Oct. 7 attack

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www.timesofisrael.com

so i dont understand why is everyone blaming netanyahu on what happened on the 7th..... isnt it the resposnibility of the intelligence community/organizations to update him on daily/weekly bases?

they didnt do their job ..... why are they blaming him???? its like blaming george bush for 9/11

There is a wider picture - the process of gradual normalization with Hamas, which has been taking place over the last 5-10 years. The idea was that using the carrot-and-stick policy with Hamas, we eventually will reach point of more or less peaceful coexistence (thinkg North/South Korea). This seemed to work for a while, with constant reduction of violence (Hamas abstaining from helping PIJ earlier this year, for example), Israel constantly issuing more and more working permits for Gaza residents etc etc - up until now...
Bibi was one of the, if not the main architect of this process, so.

 

[Fluff]

There is a wider picture - the process of gradual normalization with Hamas, which has been taking place over the last 5-10 years. The idea was that using the carrot-and-stick policy with Hamas, we eventually will reach point of more or less peaceful coexistence (thinkg North/South Korea). This seemed to work for a while, with constant reduction of violence (Hamas abstaining from helping PIJ earlier this year, for example), Israel constantly issuing more and more working permits for Gaza residents etc etc - up until now...
Bibi was one of the, if not the main architect of this process, so.

Sounds like a logical approach.....

Clearly it didnt work, Hamas just invested the money and material into more rockets and tunnels.

On twitter lots of debate about bombing civilians, WW2 etc. I very much doubt our enemies, or future enemies are navel gazing about Bucha or their plans to avoid civilian casualties.

Of course also most civies try to get out of the way of invading armies, hamas planned all along to hide from retribution behind their own civilians.

Its probably not possible to get say a UN vote to destroy HAMAS including its 'political' people, in Quatar and an ex-council house in London, but I wonder if tacitly its agreed.

 

[Mike1976]

Its probably not possible to get say a UN vote to destroy HAMAS including its 'political' people, in Quatar and an ex-council house in London, but I wonder if tacitly its agreed.

It doesn't matter what the league of irrelevant nations thinks, just need 1 of 5 Vetoes to agree.

 

[Mike1976]

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